Not the topic, but whatever makes you happy.
FYI, my dad can't become President of the United States.
- Can become president.
Congress should be banding together against Trump and pass at least a temporary budget by a non-veto-able margin.
I am not blaming the Dems for the shutdown. This is all on Trump. But Trump thrives on disruption, so its not surprising, and I enjoy watching the bureaucrats squirm and dance as their waterboys fling talking points at one another.In principle I agree however with Trump blowing up the bipartisan talks after saying he wanted a congressional solution while the deadline nears for DACA recipients there seems to be little practical alternative. Also the GOP can't even muster a simple majority for their CR so it's not all the Dem 2020 crowd.
The logical fallacies thread is worth your timeActually I do. But I'm still waiting for you to post pictures of the "free with DACA" coupon....You've got it right?
The logical fallacies thread is worth your time
I would say be carful that Trump does not revoke his citizenship too. Complain to much and he might. Is that the government you want?
They were not residing in the country illegally until Trump decided to cancel their visas late last year. They are currently in a limbo state since the administration is forgoing declaring them illegal until March in order to give Congress time to decide what to do about them. They will only be residing in the country illegally if this bill is not passed. These are people that have been in this country almost all their life. This is 700,000 people that came to this country as young children and for most of them this is the only country they have known.
Show me where DACA beneficiaries have to go through the same process and queue as other immigrants.Your post seems to indicate DACA is a free ride to citizenship with no cost. Prove it.
Correction, they were residing illegally in the country until Obama used executive action to provide them with visas. There was never any legislation authorizing this action (although Congress didn't seem to object too terribly to it) so Trump undoing it was just returning things to status quo ante. You can argue that's a bad thing but you don't get to create your own alternative reality that says they were legal.
So let me get this strait.
The Dems want to shut down the United States government over people that are residing in the country illegally - people that aren't Americans.
Why in the world would you harm your own countries' citizens over this? That's some fucked up shit.
What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?
Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."
Again, how is that not fucked up?
Not an alternative reality, they did have visas. Maybe Obama should not have given them the visas, but he did and now Trump has canceled them and that is what brings us to the events of today. It is hard to put all the blame on one group here. I'm the first to say that Dems have some of the blame for the DACA problem, but they are also offering a fix. Republicans have not really offered anything here.
Do you tell yourself stories like this often?
Trump is meeting with Schumer alone. Apparently house conservatives are having strokes.
Show me where DACA beneficiaries have to go through the same process and queue as other immigrants.
I look forward to a Chuck & Nancy tweet in a few hours.
Reportedly he previously committed to Meadows and Cotton that he would not sign any immigration bill they don't support. Given that they only support the most hardline stuff that's a train to nowhere.
Guess we'll see if Trump dares to go back on a commitment. lol
I understand your point but you're not acknowledging my point in return that before Obama executive action they WERE undocumented and in fact having a valid visa would have automatically made them ineligible for the program. I see this as being akin to what Gavin Newsome did a few years ago providing marriage licenses to same-sex couples when state law expressly forbid doing so at the time.
As I’ve heard, Trumps opinion is formed by the last person who spoke with him.
Chuck knows this. I see a deal forming that allows some form of a very limited wall and a bunch of other stuff Republicans will hate.
No, I understand and acknowledge that. But 2012 was when this should have been challenged, neither congress nor the courts did so. I'm not disputing that Trump had the right to cancel their visas, and I'll even say that it might even be ethically the right thing to do! But he specifically did so by calling on congress to do something about this in the proper legal channels. Which is exactly what the Democrats are trying to do.
Agreed but this has come down to an issue of tying a sensitive vote like this to either a lift in debt ceiling or spending bills. GOP was widely criticized the last times for attempting to "hold the debt ceiling vote hostage" by demanding budget cuts or "ending Obamacare" as part of the deal. Trump should simply replay video of Obama saying "I won't negotiate under threat" from the last time the same situation happened but on the other side:
Agreed but this has come down to an issue of tying a sensitive vote like this to either a lift in debt ceiling or spending bills. GOP was widely criticized the last times for attempting to "hold the debt ceiling vote hostage" by demanding budget cuts or "ending Obamacare" as part of the deal. Trump should simply replay video of Obama saying "I won't negotiate under threat" from the last time the same situation happened but on the other side: