Shuttle SV24 barebones + Retail Celery 850 $259 @ Outpost

[zzzz]

How do you find out the revision of this thing? I have one with Celeron 1 ghz and want to know whether I can upgrade...

 

[jasonja]

What? Lots of mobo's with integrated video still have AGP slots. When you stick a AGP card in, the onboard video gets disabled. The only reason companies don't put on a AGP slot is for cost reasons.

 

[klein297]

<< Does anybody have the specs for the case? Or a link to the case's manufacturer? >>



This looks like the place.

 

[targg]

I can pretty much assure you that your SV24 wont take a tualatin. A pentium III would give you a double cache boost but again, I doubt you'd notice the speed difference.

My plan is to stick with the 850, wait until the ~1.1GHz p3's are $35-40 a pop in a year and a half and then upgrade it.

Good chance the P4 based flexatx board might fit this case and be available separately; in that case I'll nab one of those and a p4 1.6GHz, probably $200 for the combo 18 months from now.

 

[Hotwater9]

<< Can anyone comment on the TV out/video capabilities of this unit. >>


Link to Divix Card!

 

[targg]

I'll check out the video out capabilities in the next day or so. My experience with these has been its sort of ok for watching a video but the text quality in windows apps is lousy...even with the svideo connector.

Bet it'll look good on my 42" plasma screen though. Thats almost as simultaneously tech cool and useless as a tiny little aluminum pc case.

 

[JackMDS]

The Video that comes on this board, what would it compare to in nVidia terms.

Riva 128, TNT, TNT2, or what ?

 

[vladgur]

How about MSI-6218 BookPC barebone system that has 3 PCI slots and has support for
Support Socket A for AMD® Athlon? / Duron? Processors 600 ~ 1.3GHz
Support Socket A for AMD® Athlon? XP Processors (PCB Ver2.X only)

Its sold here for 158 and I saw it somewhere else for less than $140. Just paint it black and youre good to go for a nice home theater set up.

 

[targg]

I havent seen the benchmarks comparing the savage4 with the nvidia's lately, but seat of the pants I'd say its between a tnt and tnt2 powerwise. Should be better than an intel integrated chip set.

Honestly, you can play quake III at a playable rate (say 30-something to 50-something fps) at 640x480 or 800x600, but you're not going to get 90fps at 1024x768. Now...do you need that...?

If I recall correctly (this chip set has been around a long time) it has motion compensation and trilinear built in, and texture compression capabilities. Also was well known for crappy drivers and I havent used it enough in its current incarnation to know if thats fixed for games.

 

[targg]

Ah the bookpc. I have one of those and its what I'm moving from to the sv24. Its a good little box. Only problem I have with it is that its hard as hell to put together and not pinch a cable, and it runs very hot. In my part of the world it gets to 100+ in the summer time and I dont turn on the a/c until its 95+. The bookpc would freeze up occasionally on a hot day and I suspect its just limited air space in the cabinet coupled with the small power supply's cooling fan being the only cooler in the box besides the cpu fan. I've also found its very hard to get older drivers/bios's with the older bookpc's...I had a half an evening made bad by network drivers and a bios upgrade that wouldnt take and ultimately prevented me from loading windows 2000...and this unit was bought in late 1999 and was based on the 810e...you'd think the stock bios and drivers could have managed a win2k install. A little frustrating and disappointing.

I like the cooling and airspace in the sv24 a bit better, and its 100% easier to take apart and put back together again.

The sv24 also took win2k no problem, and shuttle has a nice site for grabbing new stuff.

Feel free to point me to sites that have bookpc downloads - i've found about 20 of them and there are a wide variety of bookpc versions that will take some of the drivers/bios upgrades and not others. The info on which files go to which version of the bookpc are...a little hard to sort out.

 

[JackMDS]

Thanks tragg.

 

[RagManX]

<< I wish they made this in black steel.. this would look sweet in my audio rack in black.... but Silver makes it stick out like a sore thumb. >>


Why not just paint it black? Plenty of guides on the net on how to do that, and you'd probably end up with a better looking case than you would just buying one in black.

RagManX

 

[DongTran]

<< Why not just paint it black? Plenty of guides on the net on how to do that, and you'd probably end up with a better looking case than you would just buying one in black. >>



Curious as how you would go about nicely painting an aluminum case? One of my buddies ended up anodizing the front piece, but he's still trying to decide what to do with the actual case cover....as for mine, it's all about a lexan front piece, but that Windy Polo-T whatever from soldam makes my look like craps

 

[pochacco20]

For a computer that'll completely blend in with your home entertainment system I prefer this unit:
http://www.novacomputersinc.com/bkii630e/bkii630e.html

and here's a better picture of it from the front:
http://www.djscomputers.com/bksilver/bkfc3a.jpg

The one I got from my local computer show was $160 plus the model I got included RCA and S-Video out (unlike the one pictured here). Couple that with a CeleronII 850 and 80gig 5400rpm Maxtor (like the one from CompUSA last weekend) and you got a serious DivX machine. This is what I like about it:
USB ports front and back,
onboard modem, ethernet, video,
s-video and RCA out,
sound connections in the front,
5.1 analog out in the back,
built in stereo speakers (good for when you take it on the go or to a friend's place)
and it looks like a high end VCR or CD player or something. The pictures don't do it justice.

Anyway, I think it's a nice alternative to these mini PC's. Just my 2 cents

-poch

 

[jeepguy100]

<< For a computer that'll completely blend in with your home entertainment system I prefer this unit:
http://www.novacomputersinc.com/bkii630e/bkii630e.html

and here's a better picture of it from the front:
http://www.djscomputers.com/bksilver/bkfc3a.jpg

>>



Wow, that does look like a component. Almost reminds me of the clunky toploading 80's vcrs. It is good to see that more companies are doing this sort of thing...

 

[jeepguy100]

Bit off topic:

What sorts of software are people using for their PC based media centers? I have just started using the one available at http://www.showshifter.com/.

What works good with only a remote control?

Thanks for the replies.

 

[DerProfi]

arnesr,

I had grand designs of building a media box out of this thing a few months back. Unfortunately, all the reviews focused on how well (but tightly) everthing fit into the case, how cool it looked, etc. and totally neglected to mention the quality of the TV-out. I pulled the trigger on one anyway and built it with a DVD drive, 80GB hard drive and PIII-1GHz. After living with it for several months I can state without a doubt that the TV-out on this thing is SUCK. Do not count on plugging this thing into a TV and getting a usable picture for anything. I can't even stand to do some quick websurfing on it with a TV, it's that bad....and I certainly wouldn't ever want to watch a movie through the TV-out. If you have a plasma screen with a VGA input, you'll probably be fine since the monitor output is passable. Otherwise, forget about it.

 

[DeeTees]

It does not look like the SV-25 version of the MB will fit in the SV-24 case. There are substantial differences in the case dimensions.

By the way newegg has the SV-25 in stock and is now shipping at $250.00 + $10.00 s/h. The SV-24 is now $229.00 + $12.00 s/h. Go figure.

 

[vladgur]

<<
The one I got from my local computer show was $160 plus the model I got included RCA and S-Video out (unlike the one pictured here). Couple that with a CeleronII 850 and 80gig 5400rpm Maxtor (like the one from CompUSA last weekend) and you got a serious DivX machine. This is what I like about it:
USB ports front and back,
onboard modem, ethernet, video,
s-video and RCA out,
sound connections in the front,
5.1 analog out in the back,
built in stereo speakers (good for when you take it on the go or to a friend's place)
and it looks like a high end VCR or CD player or something. The pictures don't do it justice.

-poch >>



Do you have the brand and the model of the one you got, because like you said, the links you provided are for the barebone without tv-out. Also, there are NO PCI slots, so upgrade is out of question, how is 3D gaming on this. It uses SIS630e chipset and doesnt support new Celerons over 1GHZ.....as opposed to SIS630ET chipset...

 

[jasonja]

Yeah that PC case is nice but it lacks video out and PCI slots.. which sucks because I need both. I just bought the Casper II case from Directron.. it's tiny desktop or tower that supports flex and micro boards and can handle full height PCI/AGP cards.

 

[Red Dawn]

I took a black Directron V2000 Slim PC case, a i815e MicroATX Motherboard, a Low Profile ATI 7000 Video Card with Dual Display,Svideo and Composite Video out, a low Profile CMedia 8738 4ch Sound card and built a cool running Mulitmedia System that beats the Sv24 easily for performance. Though the picture doesn't show it the V2000, at least the black one, has an adapter for a 80mm fan on the left hand side for an exhaust and the case is high enough to use a Thermaltake Orb. I'm running a P3 1000, a 40 gig IBM GXP60 , 256 meg of PC133 Memory, a Black Toshiba DVD and black floppy. The only thing I had to do as far as modifying anything was to cut the back plates of the sound card and ATI 7000 AGP card to fit the 3 1/2 high case. I'm adding a low profile 2 port firewire card and a low profile 2 port usb 2.0 card next. The 80MM exhaust fan really helps keep in cool. I've had it up and running for 2 weeks straight using WinXP without a hiccup.

If you want to run the Tualatin P3's and Celerons a good motherboard to use would be the Intel 815EFPVL. The lower voltage on the FCPGA2's would help keep things cool. If you really want some performance Supermicro has an MATX i815ep Motherboard that supports the Tualatin P3's with 512 Cache. Unfortuantely since they are Serverboards they don't come with an AGP Slot and since it's a Supermicro it cost an arm and a leg.

Of course if you have the money you can always spring for this Sexy P3 1.4 Tualatin low profile system.

 

[l31itz]

where can you buy low profile heatsinks for cheap?

and why would they sell the retail celery with this system if it won't fit in the box?

thanks for your help guys, i'm really close to buying this.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

The SV24/25 is really really noisy. You can get some nice silent fans here.

 

[DavemanUT]

I want one of these. Or do I want one of the others?

D.C.

 

[jeepguy100]

DavemanUT

I just got a shuttle sv24 with a PIII. It is a great little machine and yes, it is loud as hell.

Shuttle makes quality products so yes, you should however get one of the just released models (sv25 or higher) because they have better sound, video, and take faster processors. They may have even addressed the loud fan issue...I don't know.