Discussion Sigh....The Oscars (2022)

Page 9 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
15,244
10,816
136
You said he was common knowledge that he didn't cuss in his raps, I countered by saying most people didn't even know he rapped at all. Common knowledge about his not-cussing status implies most even knew that he rapped period. I sure as hell had no idea he didn't cuss in his raps.
Common knowledge amongst the subset of people that paid attention to 90s music. I said this in response to someone implying it was weird someone would know that. It was common knowledge to people that paid attention to music back then, that is why it was referenced in The Real Slim Shady.

He had 4 albums in the US top 10, and 6 in the top 20. He also had 3 number 1 hits, and 5 top 10 hits. The newest data I could find, from 2007, shows at that time he had about equal sells as Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent.

Also considering he was "clean" while most mainstream rap and rock wasn't was fairly notable and discussed a lot.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,633
8,521
136
If you can't take comedy, don't go. Punching a comedian is absolutely nothing like punching a Nazi, WTF is wrong with you?

Smith should've at most yelled up "too far." Meanwhile, bald jokes have been around forever, even used by Will Smith himself multiple times.

Yeah, maybe he should have just got in Rock's face and yelled a bit. I can go along with that. I'm not enamored of the slapping (just as I'm not sure whether slapping someone like Bannon would be a good or a bad thing).

But why is it "nothing like punching a Nazi"? What's the difference between hitting someone telling a racist or sexist or anti-disability joke, from a privileged platform, and hitting someone making a non-humorous racist or sexist statement?
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,633
8,521
136
Nah, he should keep his reward, I guess he earned it (even tho I never saw that movie) But he should be banned from any future academy endeavors.

Were Roman Polanski's awards revoked for engaging in a little child rape? Heck, he even got invited to the Oscars (but didn't attend due to 'fear for his safety' - maybe he was worried that Smith might slap him, eh?)
 
Reactions: Lezunto

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
15,244
10,816
136
Yeah, maybe he should have just got in Rock's face and yelled a bit. I can go along with that. I'm not enamored of the slapping (just as I'm not sure whether slapping someone like Bannon would be a good or a bad thing).

But why is it "nothing like punching a Nazi"? What's the difference between hitting someone telling a racist or sexist or anti-disability joke, from a privileged platform, and hitting someone making a non-humorous racist or sexist statement?
What Racist or Sexist joke did Rock say against Jada Smith? Maybe you'd have a point about his joke against Natalie Portman, but he made a shaved head joke against Jada.

Nazi want to hold down others based on differences in appearance, religion, or ethnicity. Many want to hold them down via removal of rights, enslavement, or murder.

Comedians attempt to make people laugh by highlighting differences in people, sometimes based on stereotypes or in appearances. Generally this not done in an attempt to make people feel like lessers. Jokes and satire are a good way to address issues and make people see flaws in the status quo, and make taboo things easier to discuss. If you don't like this don't go to a comedy show.

I've been ragged on by a comedian for wearing glasses and the way I laughed. I personally thought it was hilarious. But I guess you think I should've gotten in his face and yelled him down because he attacked me or my generic laugh and a medical condition.

ETA: We should be against anything that normalizes violence. Especially violence against people just doing their jobs.
 
Last edited:
Reactions: purbeast0

JujuFish

Lifer
Feb 3, 2005
11,117
816
136
What Racist or Sexist joke did Rock say against Jada Smith? Maybe you'd have a point about his joke against Natalie Portman, but he made a shaved head joke against Jada.

If Jada were a guy, do you really think a bald joke would have landed the same?
 
Reactions: pmv

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
15,244
10,816
136
If Jada were a guy, do you really think a bald joke would have landed the same?
People tell bald jokes about men all the time. Including Will Smith. IIRC it was a pretty typical line of jokes on Fresh Prince.
 

Grey_Beard

Golden Member
Sep 23, 2014
1,825
2,007
136
The Academy should revoke the award and ban him from future events.

The award was based on past activity. He should be given the award. If his past performance was good enough to earn the award, he should receive and keep it.

I agree though that he should be banned from future events, lose his Academy membership and not receive any future awards from the Academy.
 
Reactions: Oyeve

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
53,024
5,905
126
If Jada were a guy, do you really think a bald joke would have landed the same?
No, because G.I. Jane is a movie about a woman in the army who shaves her head. Not a man.

Thinking about it though, actually yes, if he did say that to a little man with a shaved head, it actually may have been even funnier! Killing 2 birds with one stone!
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,633
8,521
136
What Racist or Sexist joke did Rock say against Jada Smith? Maybe you'd have a point about his joke against Natalie Portman, but he made a shaved head joke against Jada.


His joke about Jada Smith's hair condition was clearly a joke at the expense of a chronic health issue, and one that is _particularly_ a sensitive issue for women (and, so I've heard, for black women even more so). And his preceding 'joke' was about Penelope Cruz likely giving Javier Badem a hard time at home if he won an award and she didn't - a trope straight out of the 1970s.

Nazi want to hold down others based on differences in appearance, religion, or ethnicity. Many want to hold them down via removal of rights, enslavement, or murder.

Comedians attempt to make people laugh by highlighting differences in people, sometimes based on stereotypes or in appearances. Generally this not done in an attempt to make people feel like lessers. Jokes and satire are a good way to address issues and make people see flaws in the status quo, and make taboo things easier to discuss. If you don't like this don't go to a comedy show.

Well, to be honest, that's one reason why I probably wouldn't go to a comedy show. Certainly not one that featured Chris Rock. Any more than I'd go to a Bernard Manning gig. I don't particuarly like stand-up comics in general.


I've been ragged on by a comedian for wearing glasses and the way I laughed. I personally thought it was hilarious. But I guess you think I should've gotten in his face and yelled him down because he attacked me or my generic laugh and a medical condition.

Hardly a comparable issue.

I don't really care about Will Smith, either - not a fan, he's long seemed a little 'odd' to me. But I can't see any reason for pious outrage about this minor non-event, not when compared to all the reprobates Hollywood has historically indulged.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
15,244
10,816
136
His joke about Jada Smith's hair condition was clearly a joke at the expense of a chronic health issue, and one that is _particularly_ a sensitive issue for women (and, so I've heard, for black women even more so). And his preceding 'joke' was about Penelope Cruz likely giving Javier Badem a hard time at home if he won an award and she didn't - a trope straight out of the 1970s.

Going bald is a pretty sensitive issue with men too, that is why there is a multi-billion dollar industry around it.

Well, to be honest, that's one reason why I probably wouldn't go to a comedy show. Certainly not one that featured Chris Rock. Any more than I'd go to a Bernard Manning gig. I don't particuarly like stand-up comics in general.

Obviously, some people don't like comedy, that is your right.

Hardly a comparable issue.

People aren't sensitive about wearing glasses? That's why there is a multi-billion dollar industry that does surgeries on people's eyes to remove the need for glasses? You know, a surgery that is considered cosmetic the vast majority of the time. Some people are obviously way too sensitive and serious to enjoy a little laughing and should probably stay away from comedy in general.

I'm guessing in your mind it's hardly comparable because I'm a white guy, as opposed to an insanely rich black woman. The only real difference is I had no idea I'd be ragged on when I went, but I laughed with the comedian. And she went knowing full well there was a 100% Will would be picked on and a decent chance she might be too.

I don't really care about Will Smith, either - not a fan, he's long seemed a little 'odd' to me. But I can't see any reason for pious outrage about this minor non-event, not when compared to all the reprobates Hollywood has historically indulged.

I've always liked Will Smith, I think he is a great actor and I've enjoyed listening to some of his interviews and speeches. Chris Rock is fine, but not one of my favorites. But I don't call assaulting a comedian on International TV over a throwaway, trope joke (that the assaulter even laughed at) and then suffering exactly zero consequences is minor. It is a horrible precedent and will result in more service workers and entertainers being assaulted.

How would you feel about an Olympian assaulting a judge for giving them a low score? How about a dude at a restaurant assaulting a waitress for making a rude comment when he sent his food back? How about a redneck assaulting a comedian for making a joke about Trump?

If you don't like standup, don't listen to it. There is absolutely nothing Chris Rock said that deserves to be physically assaulted. He is lucky he appears to be fine, but a punch to the face from someone built like Will Smith could put someone in the hospital with broken facial bones.
 
Last edited:

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
59,239
13,835
136
Grew up in the 90s, paid as much attention to music as most (not rap or hip hop mind you), and aside from the soundtrack to MIB I couldn't name a single thing he did.

You have data to back up 'most people know'? I'm quite confident that more people know him to be an actor than a rapper.
You never heard Parents Just Don't Understand or Nightmare On My Street?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
59,239
13,835
136
Newp, like I said, didn't follow rap/hip hop specifically. I was more of a Tool/Korn/(later) Mastodon/misc rock fan.
Yeah, I didn't either, but they did show up on MTV, and I had a friend that listened to some (same friend that introduced me to And Justice For All, funny enough). I was still in the juvenile "rap = crap" phase.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
15,275
13,580
146
Yeah, I didn't either, but they did show up on MTV, and I had a friend that listened to some (same friend that introduced me to And Justice For All, funny enough). I was still in the juvenile "rap = crap" phase.
We didn't have cable unfortunately, so I only glimpsed MTV at 'rich' friends' houses before school on the way to the bus. Got me into Tool actually, saw one of their wacky-ass videos back in the day.
 

blankslate

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2008
8,705
507
126
Maybe if Will Smith wants a comedian to keep "his wife's" name out of their mouth he should be able to keep other men out of her whore, slut mouth by keeping her satisfied....
just saying... I have no sympathy for that literal cuck after this inability to engage in self-control.


________________
 

blankslate

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2008
8,705
507
126
Paul Rodriguez details how Will Smith was an asshat to him during the filming of the Ali movie.

I would like to have seen the result if it was Joe Rogan making the joke and Will Smith walked up to him... but he's too much of a cuck to assault someone who is not smaller than himself.


______________
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,633
8,521
136
What Racist or Sexist joke did Rock say against Jada Smith? Maybe you'd have a point about his joke against Natalie Portman, but he made a shaved head joke against Jada.

Nazi want to hold down others based on differences in appearance, religion, or ethnicity. Many want to hold them down via removal of rights, enslavement, or murder.

Comedians attempt to make people laugh by highlighting differences in people, sometimes based on stereotypes or in appearances. Generally this not done in an attempt to make people feel like lessers. Jokes and satire are a good way to address issues and make people see flaws in the status quo, and make taboo things easier to discuss. If you don't like this don't go to a comedy show.

I've been ragged on by a comedian for wearing glasses and the way I laughed. I personally thought it was hilarious. But I guess you think I should've gotten in his face and yelled him down because he attacked me or my generic laugh and a medical condition.

ETA: We should be against anything that normalizes violence. Especially violence against people just doing their jobs.


Surprised you can't see the sexism in that joke - or his preceding one, based on the nagging-harpy trope. I mean, it was a reference to a movie that was all about the novelty of a woman solider, in which the head-shaving was a central motif. There's no male equivalent to that joke, it's entirely about the norm-busting of a woman with a shaved head.

Can't say I've really followed him closely but Rock's material generally seems to be pretty reactionary stuff. Yeah, Smith shouldn't have gone as far as slapping him, should have left it at just yelling in his face, but Rock needs better material.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,633
8,521
136
Going bald is a pretty sensitive issue with men too, that is why there is a multi-billion dollar industry around it.

Not comparable.


I've always liked Will Smith, I think he is a great actor and I've enjoyed listening to some of his interviews and speeches. Chris Rock is fine, but not one of my favorites. But I don't call assaulting a comedian on International TV over a throwaway, trope joke (that the assaulter even laughed at) and then suffering exactly zero consequences is minor. It is a horrible precedent and will result in more service workers and entertainers being assaulted.

How would you feel about an Olympian assaulting a judge for giving them a low score? How about a dude at a restaurant assaulting a waitress for making a rude comment when he sent his food back? How about a redneck assaulting a comedian for making a joke about Trump?

If you don't like standup, don't listen to it. There is absolutely nothing Chris Rock said that deserves to be physically assaulted. He is lucky he appears to be fine, but a punch to the face from someone built like Will Smith could put someone in the hospital with broken facial bones.

I don't particularly like Will Smith - I mean, I guess he's been perfectly watchable in some things he's been in, but as a celebrity personality he's always seemed a trifle odd to me. I just don't have much patience for lazy 'punching down' comedy. And your comparisons are getting on for "what if it had been Betty White" levels of absurdity.

If you think being paid a fortune and being given a privileged platform like hosting the Oscars on national TV is equivalent to being a minimum wage waitress I'm not sure what to say. That just seems a crazy argument to me.
 

blankslate

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2008
8,705
507
126
to repeat a apropos comment that has been used quite a lot

Will Smith has a lot of honor and integrity, standing up for another man's girlfriend like that.


he's a cuck that's all.


___________
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,134
2,446
126
Reactions: 13Gigatons

SKORPI0

Lifer
Jan 18, 2000
18,429
2,357
136
Will Smith’s punishment for his violent outburst at last month’s Academy Awards has been revealed in a statement from the Academy, which announced that the actor is being banned from attending ceremonies run by the Academy for the next ten years. The decision was made by the Board of Governors today in a meeting in Los Angeles, who earlier were reported to be split on how to deal with Smith in the wake of the incident and his resignation from the Academy last week. Almost two weeks on from the moment that Smith slapped Chris Rock for making a joke about his wife’s shaved head, the news of Smith’s punishment will likely seal off the incident.

https://movieweb.com/the-academy-bans-will-smith-oscars-10-years/

 
Last edited:
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |