Sigh... They're remaking Scarface

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mikeymikec

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I want to shit all over remakes, but, there are a few that turned out to be far better than their originals.

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True Grit
Cape Fear

While I enjoyed the sequels, they weren't better than the originals.

Cape Fear for example got the Hollywood "if you've got to say it, spray it in letters fifty feet high" treatment. It felt like it came from the Arnie "everything has to be gory" era. I thought the abused woman not having a visible mark on her in the original version was a heck more provocative. The only improvement I can think of in the newer version was the creepy scene in the theatre and the subsequent scenes of father vs. daughter. I also liked how the original exposed and played with respectability politics, even by today's standards it still feels relevant.

I enjoyed both versions of True Grit, though I don't have much desire to watch either on a regular basis.

Shawshank...who cares.

Godfather would be blasphemy.

I would hazard a guess at the ~900k people who voted for it on IMDB... I prefer The Godfather as well, but Shawshank is still a good film.

what? no love for Shawshank? [granted, everyone knows the ending already, kinda like re-making 6th sense]

Question - how many people have bothered watching The Sixth Sense more than once? After getting over the plot twist, I thought "this is a dull movie".
 
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pmv

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This thread needs a remake.

The 'Pulp Fiction' non-linear-storytelling thing is old hat.
 

KeithTalent

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what? no love for Shawshank? [granted, everyone knows the ending already, kinda like re-making 6th sense]

Way too schmaltzy for me. I've never liked Shawshank, even the first time around. Rolled my eyes a lot during that one.

KT
 

Grooveriding

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Because you either need a story everyone is familiar with (Harry Potter, Hobbit, etc.) else you need actors and actresses that everyone is familiar with. That's the way audiences are - that's what they go to.

So, if you're talking about a book that would make an outstanding movie, if it's not a super-familiar book, then you need those well known actors and actresses... and you're $20 million in the hole before you start shooting. That's a huge gamble. One that the people in Hollywood don't have the balls to commit to.

I think there are some good gems out there they could work over a la Hobbit/LOTR style and cash in on.

The initial Dragonlance books would make for some fantastic fantasy movies done right. Do three movies for Chronicles and then follow up with another three for Legends. The story has everything in there; power, corruption, love, sex, sacrifice, redemption etc. - and could be darker and less cheerful hobbitness than LOTR was.

I would trade the LOTR/hobbit movies never having been made for 6 films done on the Dragonlance books instead. Those books crushed the Tolkien ones.


OT: Scarface was a great movie, so this remake will certainly be a disaster.
 

mikeymikec

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Because you either need a story everyone is familiar with (Harry Potter, Hobbit, etc.) else you need actors and actresses that everyone is familiar with. That's the way audiences are - that's what they go to.

Two points here:

The two examples you've cited contain loads of actors playing semi-important characters that the average person wouldn't have recognised (or possibly even still recognise).

Up until HP4 all of the main antagonists were played by "not popular" actors, and even then I'm unsure whether the intended audience (teens) would have recognised Ralph Fiennes either. Furthermore, I would have guessed that most teens would have completely failed a pop quiz to identify any of the more famous actors in any of the HP films (with possible exceptions of Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman).

Examples:

Richard Harris
Maggie Smith
David Thewlis
Michael Gambon
Robbie Coltrane
Richard Griffiths
Timothy Spall

Second point - Since when are Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer "not familiar actors"?

So, if you're talking about a book that would make an outstanding movie, if it's not a super-familiar book, then you need those well known actors and actresses... and you're $20 million in the hole before you start shooting. That's a huge gamble. One that the people in Hollywood don't have the balls to commit to.

I would agree with your general point if you were talking about getting funding that bankable actors/film staff are important, but your did orientate your point towards audiences, and while I would agree to some extent, it's not as important IMO.
 

zinfamous

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Question - how many people have bothered watching The Sixth Sense more than once? After getting over the plot twist, I thought "this is a dull movie".

I watched it a second time, and I felt it's a nice study in editing trickery. Of course you think Willis is having conversations with these people, because of how shots are typically edited together to convey meaning--our brains simply fill in the gaps as they always have.

Then you realize that he never actually had this conversation with his wife, or the boy's mother or anyone else--that scene begins at the end of what we assume to have been a conversation, because they are both sitting there, and he turns to the kid.

other than that, no real reason to watch it.
 

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Two points here:

The two examples you've cited contain loads of actors playing semi-important characters that the average person wouldn't have recognised (or possibly even still recognise).

Up until HP4 all of the main antagonists were played by "not popular" actors, and even then I'm unsure whether the intended audience (teens) would have recognised Ralph Fiennes either. Furthermore, I would have guessed that most teens would have completely failed a pop quiz to identify any of the more famous actors in any of the HP films (with possible exceptions of Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman).

Examples:

Richard Harris
Maggie Smith
David Thewlis
Michael Gambon
Robbie Coltrane
Richard Griffiths
Timothy Spall

Second point - Since when are Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer "not familiar actors"?



I would agree with your general point if you were talking about getting funding that bankable actors/film staff are important, but your did orientate your point towards audiences, and while I would agree to some extent, it's not as important IMO.

I think you completely missed my point. It was an either or situation. Harry Potter didn't need big name actors, because it was a big name book that a huge number of people were familiar with.

Unknown stories generally need big name actors to attract people to the movie.


Unknown stories with unknown actors - very risky for the film companies to produce. (Though, I won't lump the attractiveness of broader topics into "unknown stories" - e.g., jurassic park. Because, "Dinosaurs! Let's go see it!" Think about it - and maybe I am wrong - out of the thousands and thousands of movies, how many blockbuster hits were about unfamiliar stories, with unknown actors/actresses? I'm sure there are a few. Now, how many complete piece of crap movies made a huge profit - because they had very popular actors or actresses? I'm guessing that set of movies is much larger. Also, popular stories turned into movies - how many of these had crappy acting, yet made money? Again, probably more success stories than with the unknown story/unknown star group.

I googled. http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/14387/12-unknown-actors-cast-in-major-blockbusters Look at the list of movies that these unknown actors became famous in - virtually every movie is a big name story. Thor, Superman, etc. People are going to go to the movie regardless of who the actor is. They know the basic theme of the story. Sure, there are some movies with unknown actors and stories that have been successful (e.g., Slumdog Millionaire), but those are in the minority. And it explains why big name stars command such high salaries - if you could get the same box office revenues from an unknown actor would would be happy with $100k salary, then why do you pay these big names millions of dollars??
 
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BUTCH1

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Way too schmaltzy for me. I've never liked Shawshank, even the first time around. Rolled my eyes a lot during that one.

KT

Define "schmaltzy" as it applies to Shawshank, too emotional?, too contrived?. I'll admit that Shawshank does have ONE weakness in that it's plot is somewhat predictable but other than that, this was, is, and always be an epic film loved by billions and rightly so. I find your taste to be rather "tasteless"..
 

KeithTalent

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Define "schmaltzy" as it applies to Shawshank, too emotional?, too contrived?. I'll admit that Shawshank does have ONE weakness in that it's plot is somewhat predictable but other than that, this was, is, and always be an epic film loved by billions and rightly so. I find your taste to be rather "tasteless"..

Yes, emotional and contrived sounds about right. It's just not my bag, man.

KT
 

BurnItDwn

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Yes, emotional and contrived sounds about right. It's just not my bag, man.

KT

I like Shawshank a LOT, but I know what you are saying. It does sort of feel artificial... its like a bunch of little puzzle pieces, but they all fit together too well ....
It doesnt flow like a river or traffic, it doesnt feel organic, but rather synthetic.
 

BUTCH1

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I like Shawshank a LOT, but I know what you are saying. It does sort of feel artificial... its like a bunch of little puzzle pieces, but they all fit together too well ....
It doesnt flow like a river or traffic, it doesnt feel organic, but rather synthetic.

Yea, well "artificial" would describe about 95% percent of movies as they are derived from fictional characters. You could easily say the first "Rocky" fits in that category neatly but it's a hell of a movie.
 

akugami

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In general, remakes suck donkey balls.

Shawshank is a movie I like a lot. Sometimes you gotta ignore the flaws in a movie. Every movie has flaws. But it would be tough to find anyone for the lead two roles. Especially Morgan Freeman whose narration really made the movie what it is.

The Departed. This movie is a remake. It's good but not as good as the original. The Departed is more action based whereas the original, Infernal Affairs, is more of a crime drama. Both are good movies but maybe because I watched the original, and that I understand Chinese, it kinda ruined some of the moments in The Departed since I already knew what was coming. I know most in the US probably watched The Departed first and then maybe watched Infernal Affairs. I'll also admit to saying that Tony Leung and Andy Lau are two of my favorite actors and that I love the theme music which is also sung by the two male leads.
 

Ichinisan

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I want to shit all over remakes, but, there are a few that turned out to be far better than their originals.

3:10 To Yuma
I only saw the Bale / Crowe version. I really liked all the actors and their characters. For some reason, I liked the story itself the first time I watched it. Upon re-watching the movie some time later, there was some kind of glaring flaw in the story that I couldn't get over. I don't remember what it was, but it was enough to ruin the movie for me. I have a shit memory.

Oh yes. Add Little Shop of Horrors to that.

Are parodies considered to be "remakes?"

True Lies
Didn't know this was a remake. Does James Cameron ever do remakes?

True Grit
The filmmakers don't consider this a remake of the earlier film. The Coens took their inspiration from the original book and this version of the film is much more faithful to the book's version of the story. Absolutely loved the Coen Bros version. Haven't seen the John Wayne version.

Casino Royale
This was a remake? I think I heard that the first Bond book was called "Casino Royale," but I think that would make this only a film adaptation rather than a "remake" of a previous film.
 

CZroe

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haha that is awesome. how ironic that everyone here is crying about the remakes in hollywood when they had no clue that the movie being remade was already a remake.
The OP's link already stated this.
 
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