*sigh* When are people gonna learn that certain dog breeds are NOT good pets?

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Here is a prett good link citing numurous studies....


A 6-year study in Palm Beach County of "most severe dog bite by breed" shows the top 10 breeds who have been identified in this comparison.


1988: APBT ranked 9th w/9 per cent of bites
1989: APBT ranked 5th w/15 per cent
1990: APBT ranked 5th w/16 per cent
1991: APBT ranked 9th w/10 per cent
1992: APBT ranked 2nd w/20.4 per cent (w/cocker spaniel showing in 1st)
1993: APBT ranked 5th w/16 per cent

Some of the breeds which placed above the Pit Bull's were Dalmations, Chows, Labs, Goldens, Rotties, Dobermans, and the Cocker Spaniel.

In a 1993 study, also in Palm Beach County, the bites were ranked by severity from 1 to 4 and the animal that was recorded as having inflicted the greatest number of severe bites was the domestic short-haired cat. A breed labeled as "pit bull" was in 5th place, following cat, German Shepherds, Chow and Lab.

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I demand a RECOUNT!

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[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon
beware the chihuahua

And the basset hound.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: PCH0

Originally posted by: TheEvil1
heres another Pic definitly NOT a lab

Psssst!! Excuse me....your balls are showing.

heheh yea. his name is Bigsby. he was a frat dog before my sis and her husband graduated. the guys named him that because he has huge nuts

 

[CraigRT]

Pit Bulls make awesome pets.
my friend has one.
nicest dog i have ever seen in my life.

 

[js1973]

Who cares if a cocker spaniel has a higher frequency of biting than a pit bull? I'm more concerned with the frequency of mauling.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: js1973
Who cares if a cocker spaniel has a higher frequency of biting than a pit bull? I'm more concerned with the frequency of mauling.

I'm more concerned about "gun stockpiling" citizens than "gun collectors"...

Blah don't you see it sells to say MAULING, biting is the same but with big dogs they always say mauling.

 

[hpkeeper]

who says it was one single pit bull? the article says there are what 7 pitbulls in her house?

maybe she was abusive to the dogs and came home one day and pissed one off... or several of them... who knows...
a dog is a direct reflection of it's owner. They're rather primative stupid animals, they're very simple,
you set a 10lb bag of food in front of it, it eats... you take it outside it Sh!ts....
it's an interdependant beast. So I don't think this whole thing should be blamed upon the dog...

There are too many scenarios for this... I've known plenty of people who have pitbulls for pets...
they are actually cool dogs. People are scared of them, and they're warm and loving like any other breed of dog...
the only thing different is their size and muscles.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

 

[Frenchie]

One thing that people have failed to mention is inbreeding. Due to a popularity explosion, a number of breeds, were inbred in order to meet the heightened demand for the animals. This resulted in animals that were not normally as docile as they should be. (As well as genetic deformities...just look at the problems the dalmations have...) A local breeder of chows and akitas shut down because of all the bites that her dogs were dishing out after having been inbred. The akita (AKC registered) that we got from the breeder (who had a good rep.) had a relative or two that appeared in several places throughout his family tree. That dog was generally docile, but would occasionally go crazy. The dog almost took out my eye, attempted to attack two neighbor children, and made several lunges at my dad's throat. We have had several dogs and are very capable at training them. In this case, it was the inbreeding along with instinct (the breed was designed to hunt and kill yezo bears as well as guard the emporer).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Frenchie
One thing that people have failed to mention is inbreeding. Due to a popularity explosion, a number of breeds, were inbred in order to meet the heightened demand for the animals. This resulted in animals that were not normally as docile as they should be. (As well as genetic deformities...just look at the problems the dalmations have...) A local breeder of chows and akitas shut down because of all the bites that her dogs were dishing out after having been inbred. The akita (AKC registered) that we got from the breeder (who had a good rep.) had a relative or two that appeared in several places throughout his family tree. That dog was generally docile, but would occasionally go crazy. The dog almost took out my eye, attempted to attack two neighbor children, and made several lunges at my dad's throat. We have had several dogs and are very capable at training them. In this case, it was the inbreeding along with instinct (the breed was designed to hunt and kill yezo bears as well as guard the emporer).

Yes Line Breeding and inbreeding is a big problem by irrespossible breeders. In addition to personality disorders, it has lead to hip displasia (particularly in German Shepards and ckocker spaneils), and many other genetic malformations. Good point.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

Are you saying that pit bulls are just getting bad press?

Why are you playing the race card?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

Are you saying that pit bulls are just getting bad press?

Why are you playing the race card?

You're also forgetting that all dog breeds are the result of selective breeding by humans to bring out certain traits. Pits were bred to fight, so they're gonna have a tendency to be agressive (toward other dogs in particular, of course). Throw some near-inbreeding and inept owners into the mix and you get a situation like this one.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

Are you saying that pit bulls are just getting bad press?

Why are you playing the race card?

Well yes that's what we've been discussing for 2 pages. It's sensational media fueling the fire but it's seems ok since it's just dogs.

Every study i've seen, the nature of biology, and personal experiance indicates this breed has no more potential to bite than any other breed based on breed alone. So it's silly and unsupported to make claims they are. Just like it's silly to say one race of humans is more prone to violence. I was'nt playing the race card but illustration how ridiculus and discriminatory your statement was as applied to the pit bull dog compared to other dogs when you apply it to another group (blacks or anyone) within the same species (humans).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

Are you saying that pit bulls are just getting bad press?

Why are you playing the race card?

You're also forgetting that all dog breeds are the result of selective breeding by humans to bring out certain traits. Pits were bred to fight, so they're gonna have a tendency to be agressive (toward other dogs in particular, of course). Throw some near-inbreeding and inept owners into the mix and you get a situation like this one.

"it's all about enviroment and training."- thanks for putting it into better english

Thier are plenty of responsible "confirmation" and "temperment" breed pits out there. P BAR K is one I can think of, about $500-800 a dog and it's worth it. They don't breed dogs which show aggression. It's getting better over time and if you buy one I encourage looking into this type of breeder.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

That is one of the dumbest comparisions I've ever read on this forum. If all dogs are equal then why do certian breeds excel at certian tasks? For example, most law enforcement dogs are German Shepards, most seeing-eye dogs are labs, Dalmatians where used as "carriage dogs" (they ran w/the carriage/coach, had a calming effect on the horses, high endurance, and they kept other animals and people away from the horses). Some breeds are more aggresive just like some breeds are smarter, and some breeds are stronger.


Lethal

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

That is one of the dumbest comparisions I've ever read on this forum. If all dogs are equal then why do certian breeds excel at certian tasks? For example, most law enforcement dogs are German Shepards, most seeing-eye dogs are labs, Dalmatians where used as "carriage dogs" (they ran w/the carriage/coach, had a calming effect on the horses, high endurance, and they kept other animals and people away from the horses). Some breeds are more aggresive just like some breeds are smarter, and some breeds are stronger.


Lethal

Keep reading lethal. You can train for anything I agree about excelling in a particular trait though generations but for the facts don't support the conclusion. Namley they are more agressive twards humans than any other dog. Dog dog we have a discussion.

And Pit bulls are great human assistance dogs. And shepards and belgium malios are the best man stoppers.


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And my comparison was not to draw a picture of similarity but illustrate the ridiculus unspported discrimination going on against this breed and would never fly if applied to humans. It would be unacceptable and racist. I charge the same to those who would besmirch the APBT.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

That is one of the dumbest comparisions I've ever read on this forum. If all dogs are equal then why do certian breeds excel at certian tasks? For example, most law enforcement dogs are German Shepards, most seeing-eye dogs are labs, Dalmatians where used as "carriage dogs" (they ran w/the carriage/coach, had a calming effect on the horses, high endurance, and they kept other animals and people away from the horses). Some breeds are more aggresive just like some breeds are smarter, and some breeds are stronger.


Lethal

Keep reading lethal. You can train for anything I agree about excelling in a particular trait though generations but for the facts don't support the conclusion. Namley they are more agressive twards humans than any other dog. Dog dog we have a discussion.

And Pit bulls are great human assistance dogs. And shepards and belgium malios are the best man stoppers.


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And my comparison was not to draw a picture of similarity but illustrate the ridiculus unspported discrimination going on against this breed and would never fly if applied to humans. It would be unacceptable and racist. I charge the same to those who would besmirch the APBT.

I agree that Pit Bulls get a bad wrap and there is nothing inherently bad or evil about them but the comparision you made was just ludicrous and border line inflamitory (and you knew it to 'cause you prefaced it w/ "I hate to do this..."). Dogs might be Dogs but if a boston terry wigs out you get something the size of a football w/legs nipping at yer ankles. If a Pit Bull (or other large breed) wigs out you get a potential<sp?> man killer. Obviously one breed requires a bit more training than the other to keep it from being a possible hazard. And right now I'm really just starting to rant 'cause I spend way too much time infront of my computer since I got laid off and I think the radiation from my monitor is getting to me.

So in closing I agree w/everything you said save the comparison which was so overkill that it overshadowed all of the good points you made before. In the end, I really miss my brothers Shepards (Sasha and the 90lb wanna-be-lapdog-who-could-kill-you-in-about-1 second-flat Keiser).


Lethal

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Here is a prett good link citing numurous studies....


A 6-year study in Palm Beach County of "most severe dog bite by breed" shows the top 10 breeds who have been identified in this comparison.


1988: APBT ranked 9th w/9 per cent of bites
1989: APBT ranked 5th w/15 per cent
1990: APBT ranked 5th w/16 per cent
1991: APBT ranked 9th w/10 per cent
1992: APBT ranked 2nd w/20.4 per cent (w/cocker spaniel showing in 1st)
1993: APBT ranked 5th w/16 per cent

Some of the breeds which placed above the Pit Bull's were Dalmations, Chows, Labs, Goldens, Rotties, Dobermans, and the Cocker Spaniel.

In a 1993 study, also in Palm Beach County, the bites were ranked by severity from 1 to 4 and the animal that was recorded as having inflicted the greatest number of severe bites was the domestic short-haired cat. A breed labeled as "pit bull" was in 5th place, following cat, German Shepherds, Chow and Lab.

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I demand a RECOUNT!

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Sounds pretty reasonable because I'm sure there are WAY more pet Lab/Golden Retrievers out there than Pitt Bulls. As for rotties and dobermans... uhh guard dogs.... cocker spaniel, a popular wild fella, dalmations are psycho, etc etc.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Norcross woman mauled by pet pit bull.

An autopsy on Tuesday determined that a 52-year-old woman found dead had been mauled by one of seven pit bulls living in her Norcross home.

The medical examiner determined that Flora Lubin, who suffered from epilepsy, did not suffer a seizure. Instead, she died from sharp force trauma to the neck.

Yuck.

I have always wondered why after if comes out that a pit bull kills or maims someone, a number of people say that the breed is misunderstood. How many people do these dogs have to kill before the pit bull apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the breed as pets.

I hate to do this..

" I have always wondered why after it comes out that a black kills or mains someone, a number of people say the race is misunderstood. How many of people do these Blacks have kill before the Black apologists start to wonder about the wisdom of keeping the race around us white folks"

Sounds ridiculus does'nt it. Dogs are dogs just like people are people, same species, it's all about enviroment and training.

That is one of the dumbest comparisions I've ever read on this forum. If all dogs are equal then why do certian breeds excel at certian tasks? For example, most law enforcement dogs are German Shepards, most seeing-eye dogs are labs, Dalmatians where used as "carriage dogs" (they ran w/the carriage/coach, had a calming effect on the horses, high endurance, and they kept other animals and people away from the horses). Some breeds are more aggresive just like some breeds are smarter, and some breeds are stronger.


Lethal

Keep reading lethal. You can train for anything I agree about excelling in a particular trait though generations but for the facts don't support the conclusion. Namley they are more agressive twards humans than any other dog. Dog dog we have a discussion.

And Pit bulls are great human assistance dogs. And shepards and belgium malios are the best man stoppers.


.

And my comparison was not to draw a picture of similarity but illustrate the ridiculus unspported discrimination going on against this breed and would never fly if applied to humans. It would be unacceptable and racist. I charge the same to those who would besmirch the APBT.

I agree that Pit Bulls get a bad wrap and there is nothing inherently bad or evil about them but the comparision you made was just ludicrous and border line inflamitory (and you knew it to 'cause you prefaced it w/ "I hate to do this..."). Dogs might be Dogs but if a boston terry wigs out you get something the size of a football w/legs nipping at yer ankles. If a Pit Bull (or other large breed) wigs out you get a potential<sp?> man killer. Obviously one breed requires a bit more training than the other to keep it from being a possible hazard. And right now I'm really just starting to rant 'cause I spend way too much time infront of my computer since I got laid off and I think the radiation from my monitor is getting to me.

So in closing I agree w/everything you said save the comparison which was so overkill that it overshadowed all of the good points you made before. In the end, I really miss my brothers Shepards (Sasha and the 90lb wanna-be-lapdog-who-could-kill-you-in-about-1 second-flat Keiser).


Lethal

LOL about shasta...I have ren ren to protect me though

Anyway I agree with everthing you say...(you have such a good command of english) I should'nt have said it but it just drives me nuts when poeple don't want to delve into the issues and examine them with a fine tooth comb.

 

[Zebo]

Just some more food for thought:

There is a reason pitbulls score highest on the temperment test I linked to earlier and they where the most popular american dog until the 1950's. (The American Canine Temperament Testing Association is an organization that titles dogs for passing its temperament test. The test consists of putting the dog into a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers. The dog fails the test if it shows any signs of unprovoked aggression or panic around people. Of all dogs that take the test, 77% on average pass. But among pit bulls who take the test, 95% on average pass--one of the highest passing rates of all breeds.) It is percisly thier fighting roots this is so. When they used to fight them two human stangers, the opponents dog owner and referee, would be in the ring with the animals. Back then, without PITA a little less PC enviroment, if a dog even growled at a human they where shot no matter how well they proformed in the ring against another dog, a human life, een a strangers was paramount. It was just too dangerous for the handlers when they had to break the dogs and for these owners family of the dog was human aggessive. They understood that back then and bread and culled for temperment. I posit, at least back when culling was in effect but one could make the argument this has stayed with the breed, pitbulls are the only dog to be breed NOT to attack humans which is why they are noted for human assistance animals and the most popular dog. While the GS and BM are breed exclusivly in some circles to never falter when attacking humans. This is why thier human bite numbers are higher.. Pit bulls are very emotional dogs who are eager to please thier human owners more than any breed and I have owned or cared for them all also because of this culling practice.

I encourage eveyone who is misinformed or thinking of getting one to read to APBT FAQ and history floating around the net and stop believing the hype. And if you get one be responsible and train your animal as to not perpetuate the myth.
Yes pitbulls are extremly dangerous like a firearm is if put into the wrong hands or made by a shotty manufacturer (breeder) but it's better to educate one's self instead of basing your opinion on thier subjectivly mean looking phenotype or media hype.

APBT FAQ

History and about the wonderful breed

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Pit bulls have been bred to be vicious and strong. They were bred for their strength as fighters. If raised correctly they can be good and friendly dogs, but most of the people who buy them aren't looking for a family dog but for a fighter, and will raise the dog that way too. I've often enough heard people like that actually encourage their dog when it attacked another dog, rather than trying to call him/her back or breaking them apart. Not the dogs fault, but the violent treats were bred into the dog, and therefor it is more prone to act violent than your average family dog. If the owner wants it to be mean it will be easier to get it that way than with for example a Collie.

I am usually very good with dogs, and only once have been bitten in my life, and that was when breaking up 3 fighting dogs. What happened was that I was walking the dog (German Shepard) with my mother, and along with us walked a neighbour with his dog (collie, extremely pacifistic type, didn't even bite during playing). One of those failed dog owners who let her dog run loose 300 feet in front of her approached, and the dog (middle sized) suddenly decided to attack the pacifistic dog. My moms dog is female, and does not let another dog attack her friends like that, and attacked too. The male collie fancies her, and made an exception to being pacifistic in order to protect her. I jumped in the middle and ripped them apart, didn't notice until later that one had bitten me in my hand (can happen when you stick your hands between 3 fighting dogs). When the woman whose dog it was approached she started calling insults, and said that we should keep our dogs on a leash, as her dog was allowed to do whatever he wanted to. If I hadn't been too busy with the dogs, and had seen that she had hit my mom on her hand with her walking stick I'd have ripped out her throat myself, but at that time we decided to just ignore the bitch.
The dog would have been fine if it had been raised normally, but now it just became as the owner. Don't shoot aggressive dogs, shoot their owners.