silencer for x1900XT?

TheNewGuy8

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Are there aftermarket coolers you can put on an x1900XT card? I'm thinking of getting one, but I like to work with a very quiet computer and I've read that the powercooler model (cheapest available as far as I know) is VERY loud. Are there other models available for around the same price that are quieter?
 

Fistandantilis

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Have you actually bought the card yet? I have one on the way and I have heard that theyare very loud also...but I have also heard that they are not very loud. If you havent tryind the card yet then wait and hold your money till it comes in and then make a decision.
anyway I have heard about a zalman 900 something er other but I dont think it is out yet.
depending how loud these are (I also bought the powercolor) I am prolly going either the zalman or the thermaltake GPU H20 setup, not sure yet.

good luck
 

aggressor

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The Accelero X2 is supposedly very crappy as it pumps the very hot air back into your case instead of venting it outside like the stock cooler. The stock cooler itself is pretty quiet while in 2D mode, but while in 3D, it slowly gets louder and louder as the temprature goes up, and ends up being pretty loud.
 

1Dark1Sharigan1

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All X1900XTs at the moment are reference designs which use the same cooler as the X1800 meaning yeah they are all pretty loud under load. The Accelero X2 isn't dual-slot on the positive side but because of this as mentioned pumps all that hot air back into your case. Not sure if that new Zalman cooler (VF900) will fit the X1900 (it probably will)
 

M0RPH

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Originally posted by: aggressor
The Accelero X2 is supposedly very crappy as it pumps the very hot air back into your case instead of venting it outside like the stock cooler. The stock cooler itself is pretty quiet while in 2D mode, but while in 3D, it slowly gets louder and louder as the temprature goes up, and ends up being pretty loud.

Ok, so any video card cooler that doesn't pump air out of the case is "very crappy"? That means pretty much everything out there is very crappy, including the one on the GTX 512. Only I never hear anyone criticizing that cooler design for anything.

It would be nice if people would acknowledge that, while the 1800/1900 cooler is louder, it also has the very beneficial design feature of exhausting air. And while the GTX512 cooler is quieter, it does not exhaust heat from the case. Instead what I hear around here is universal praise for the GTX cooler and near universal bashing of the ATI cooler.
 

Yourself

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People bash ATI's cooler for its fan noise...not for its design. Silencers have the same basic design but use a quieter/more efficient fan. That being said, I will look for any option to replace my 1900xt HSF as the pitch/tone of the fan noise is awful under heavy load...
 

aggressor

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Ok, so any video card cooler that doesn't pump air out of the case is "very crappy"? That means pretty much everything out there is very crappy, including the one on the GTX 512. Only I never hear anyone criticizing that cooler design for anything.

It would be nice if people would acknowledge that, while the 1800/1900 cooler is louder, it also has the very beneficial design feature of exhausting air. And while the GTX512 cooler is quieter, it does not exhaust heat from the case. Instead what I hear around here is universal praise for the GTX cooler and near universal bashing of the ATI cooler.

..all I can say is...WHAT? Did you even thread my post, or did you just skim and pick out the parts you wanted to read? The only negative thing I said about the ATI stock cooler was that it was loud, and it is. There is zero debate about that.

What I said was about the Accelero X2 cooler, which has no exhaust and just pumps all of that hot air back into the case, and let me tell you, I can feel the hot air coming out of the case with my X1900XT, and I would *not* want that in there. And yes, the same can be said for 90% of the coolers out there, but then they aren't dealing with X1900s heat generation.

Please learn to read before you fire off a negative post. It makes you look silly.

Oh, and here is a thread about the Accelero X2 killing an X1800XT, and more about it dumping the hot air back into the case: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85813
 

M0RPH

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Originally posted by: aggressor

Please learn to read before you fire off a negative post. It makes you look silly.


No, what's silly is making a sweeping generalization that any cooler that doesn't exhaust heat from the case is "very crappy."
 

aggressor

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You are confusing, to say the least. I never said anything bad about ATIs cooler other than it was loud, yet your original post (which quoted my post) seemed to imply that I said something negative.

And yes, with the kind of heat these new cards put out, anything that dumps the air back into the case is a bad design. Companies are just afraid of dual slot coolers because...I don't know, maybe because it brings up memories of the 5800U days, or that people covet that extra PCI slot.
 

audscott

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I can put up with the noise: person preference, of course - but the heat: No way!! The 6800 Ultras are terrible heat generators, adding fuel to the fire, toasting your already warm CPU.

Besides, what's a little bit o' noise? You'll be deaf in 5 years anyway.
 

Vinnybcfc

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Ok, so any video card cooler that doesn't pump air out of the case is "very crappy"? That means pretty much everything out there is very crappy, including the one on the GTX 512. Only I never hear anyone criticizing that cooler design for anything.

I think aggressor was saying that it is crappy that an aftermarket cooler does not exhaust air out when even the stock one does
 

ayabe

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I think there is a little too much hub-bub about the cooler not expelling outside the case, if you have decent airflow in your case this shouldn't really be an issue. Currently that is the best aftermarket cooler available, if you don't like it then go water or get some headphones.
 

sellmen

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The Zalman VF700 doesn't exhaust heat out the back, and it is by no means a "crappy cooler". If you have a case with good airflow it won't matter much.
 

Fistandantilis

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Originally posted by: Painman
Originally posted by: Fistandantilis
Here is what I was thinking about getting if needed
comments?

That looks really neat, but I don't trust Tt all that much. I'd wait to see a few reviews in which they take a seriously hard look at the pump in that thing. A cheap pump is a ticking time bomb.

Thats what I am thinking, there are lots of question about that set up and I dont want to be the one to drop the cash on it only to find out it sux.
as for ThermalThake, I got one of their cases and the fans a not so great, it dont seem like they move to much air.

does anybody have one of those GPU H20 coolers, or any other H20 VGA coolers that are fairly cheap(by cheap I mean inexpensive) and easy?

 

Brian48

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I think you're better off using the stock cooler. It's a good design. The only thing holding it back is that the fan never spins above 30-35% it's capability unless it's way over 90C+. Just use ATITool to override these settings. The fan is very quiet all the way up to about 50%. Anything over, you'd WANT to hear the fan anyway as this is an indication that something is very wrong and your system overall is probably overheating.
 

Snooper

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The stock fan runs at three different speeds, depending on GPU temperature. At low speed, it really isn't that noticable. I can hear it if I am listening for it, but not an issue. During pretty much any gaming, it will step up to the medium speed and stay there at a minimum, but jumping up to high speed during the hot and heavy moments. I can hear the medium speed during the game, but it really wasn't too bad over the sound from the game. What I couldn't stand was when it jumped up to high speed right when things got hot. That was very loud and very annoying.

My solution? Tie my video card into my water cooling circuit with a MAZE4 water block and RAM sinks. Not only is my card totally quite now, but my GPU and RAM temps have came way down while the OC has gone way up. Stock, I was able to run at 630/750 (vs 625/725 stock). Water cooled, I maxed out the CATALYST OC utility at 690/800. And after talking the stock cooler off, I have NO doubts that the stock cooler SUCKS at cooling the RAM down. That thick foam between the back of the cooler and the top of the RAM is very much an insulator.
 

VERTIGGO

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I have the X1900XT and yes you can hear the blower at full speed, but no, its not LOUD or raucous like a jet engine. When I game there's pleny of noise to cover the sound of a rushing out the back of the case. When it's on the floor, I have to reach down and feel for the airflow. I leave it on 100% and as long as I can hear or feel the airflow, I have nothing to worry about overheating. This is one stock cooler that doesn't need to be replaced by a silencer.
 

yacoub

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Here are factors to consider:

Overclockers are more concerned with airflow and evacuating the hot air from the case.
SilentPCers are more concerned with the noise the cooling system makes.
Case placement affects how much noise is too much noise. Is it on your desk next to your monitor or on the floor under your desk?
Case placement affects how much dust gets in the case and thus how often you need to clean it to keep all heatsinks and fans operating efficiently.
In a rig built for quietness, it is most likely the loudest item in the case is the GPU fan, followed by the CPU fan.

Going to a passive cooler for the GPU normally demands additional case fans to ensure optimal airflow over the heatsink vanes/fins. This is the trade-off for a passively-cooled GPU, and unless you use 120mm case fans with ducting, it is very likely your added cooling will be as noisy any decent aftermarket GPU cooler setup.

That said, many folks don't like the idea of having to modify the cooling system on a GPU. Some because they think it's silly to have to spend $500 for a top of the line videocard and then still have to spend more to mod it. Others because they don't want the risk of damaging a $500 piece of hardware. Either way, the ideal solution is a videocard sold stock with an aftermarket cooler on it, much like the Sapphire Ultimate X800XLs and the Gigabyte 7800GT, which both came with Zalman coolers on them stock.
There is also the Asus passively-cooled 7800GT, but there you run into the need to improve case airflow and possibly ramp up your CPU's fanspeed to ensure it cools properly.

Safe load temps for GPUs, imho, are anything up to around 60C-65C. Anything more and you're probably starting to shorten the lifespan of the card in a significant way and more likely to start experiencing artifacts during 3D gaming. When I see that the Asus 7800GT often loads up to 75-80C, I cross that card off my list. I can't accept spending $400 for a card that will require rearranging/adjusting the cooling and airflow setup in my case, will run so hot under load that the ambient case temp will likely rise substantially and thus increase the CPU's temp as well, performs only marginally better than my current GPU, and is a $100 premium over a regular 7800GT's price (which leaves it only $100 away from an X1900XT which performs infinitely better though apparently at the sacrifice of your aural sanity when it comes to the reference cooling fan design).

For those building a quiet PC, my advice (as I am currently taking myself) is to wait and see if any modified cooling solutions for the X1900XT come to market in the next 2-3 months. In the meantime just grab an X800XL or something equally as cheap to tide you over until then. Plus around May/June we should see the G80 series cards debut which will drive prices down on the 7800GTX and X1900 series (as well as everything below those GPU lines).

For those building an overclocked rig, go with an X1900XT since you can probably oc it a bit and it exhausts outside the case. Stick it under your desk and away from where you sit and crank up your headphones/speakers and enjoy smooth gaming at high resolutions. =)
 

VERTIGGO

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and he spends $500 on a new release GFX card to run solitaire at 1920 x 1200 with adaptive AA and HQ AF (did I mention HDR?)
 
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