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SteveGrabowski

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Well Bernie Madoff went to jail.

I think he was the face of the clown show of fraud and the public would not forget him. Or how the Enron CEO went to jail and died.

We gotta have our pound of flesh to please the crowd even if its a whole fucking gigaton that's guilty!

I do think some heads will roll on this, but not everyone will got to jail obviously.

Fuck the face of the clown show. Should have punished the criminals on Wall Street. No heads will roll because no heads ever roll for financial criminals. Getting fired isn't heads rolling. Chopping off heads is heads rolling.
 

Jaskalas

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So from this article, it says that the FDIC is going to make all depositors whole from both banks?
That's a lot of billions from the FDIC. Assuming they have enough to cover SVB and Signature, how does their FDIC fund get replenished?
(229 Billion extra to cover both banks)

US banks have well over $1 trillion of uninsured deposits. Signature Bank was among the most exposed.

$1 trillion in a pinch almost sounds like a rounding error to the US dollar. Feds / treasury can just throw it onto their balance sheets. Perhaps as a loan. If they desired, they can cover what the banks couldn't, maintain and then simply take over the investments with a long term outlook on profiting at some "who cares" date in the future. While the US likes to stick to a budget, the truth is we have a currency much larger than that and our financial institutions / fed reserve have been playing with numbers FAR larger than Congress plays with.

For Congress, the day that trillions of dollars had to be moved immediately would be a crisis that changed their lives forever.
But for the Feds... it was a Tuesday.
 

brycejones

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So from this article, it says that the FDIC is going to make all depositors whole from both banks?
That's a lot of billions from the FDIC. Assuming they have enough to cover SVB and Signature, how does their FDIC fund get replenished?
(229 Billion extra to cover both banks)

US banks have well over $1 trillion of uninsured deposits. Signature Bank was among the most exposed.


There are assets that have value that will be sold off. The actual gap will be much less.
 
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Exterous

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There are assets that have value that will be sold off. The actual gap will be much less.
This. And its very different from 2008-2009. Then those assets cratered in terms of value so there were very significant losses to be realized. This go around a huge amount of assets are in high quality, low risk assets like US Treasuries which have not materially changed in value relative to deposits. So they had enough assets to cover the withdrawals they just couldn't sell them fast enough. So the gap - if any - is substantially smaller
 
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Kaido

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In the latter scenario student loan forgiveness doesn't do anything to fix the underlying issue. It's a bandaid with consequences. Now don't get me wrong I'm for it but only because the alternative is apparently nothing and those in their 20-30s are showing signs of credit delinquency issues. It's also a very significant amount - too high IMO given the average student loan debt is <$40k and the median is right around $20k. But the entire apparatus already encourages students to take out substantial loans, students who demand\vote\select expensive schools\facilities for questionable reasons, states to underfund education, allows fiscally irresponsible or predatory schools and all this does is encourage everyone to ramp that up because the Feds will just step in. And if inflation gets worse too? Well that's just more fun for everyone

On the surface, the loan payoff sounds good, but yeah...it's for one group of people, the current batch with debt, and only for Federal loans, not private loans, and will probably only serve to make schools more predatory now that they know that not only are the loans guaranteed, but might even get $10k to $20k paid off early! It's a crazy system.
 
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HomerJS

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I was pretty close, they blame woke liberals and a liberal anti-business economy.


They haven't been able to blame Biden specifically yet. They will keep trying. Meanwhile let's just keep brainwashing our audience by just repeating "woke" and "liberal" and talk down the economy.

Last year Fox claimed we were in a recession when we really weren't. More lies and misleading statements.
 
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HomerJS

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You mean whitey mismanaged the bank and threatened our economy yet again? It's amazing how quickly lies circle the globe while the truth doesn't get out of the starting gate.

DEI bad? Anyone want to compare the list of people indicted and put in prison from that homogeneous Trump administration to Obama?

Maybe DEI not so bad?
 
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K1052

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Regional bank stocks getting hammered today as shareholders discern that the bailout for depositors won't protect them.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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Right on queue as I predicted, former President Orange Bigmouth trying to use the crisis of confidence against his own country. That's going to be the right wing tactic for the next few weeks.

""With what is happening to our economy, and with the proposals being made on the LARGEST AND DUMBEST TAX INCREASE IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA, TIMES FIVE, JOE BIDEN WILL GO DOWN AS THE HERBERT HOOVER OF THE MODRRN [sic] AGE," the former president wrote. "WE WILL HAVE A GREAT DEPRESSION FAR BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL THAN THAT OF 1929. AS PROOF, THE BANKS ARE ALREADY STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!" "
 
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K1052

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Entitled SV douche bros screaming about the collapse of the banking sector just because they stupidly killed their own bank and triggering a panic that actually endangers the banking sector for no good reason is just about perfect.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Right on queue as I predicted, former President Orange Bigmouth trying to use the crisis of confidence against his own country. That's going to be the right wing tactic for the next few weeks.

As I understand it, Republicans are campaigning FOR the use of fear to bring America to its knees. By their own hand.

Intelligent, rational, people understand the amount the Feds need to cover isn't actually that large. Nothing scary or dangerous about them covering the bank's losses, especially as their investments can still profit over time. Time the Republican investors won't give the bank as they try and create a panic contagion for a run on the banks.
 
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