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woolfe9998

Lifer
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So I've heard. I was talking about personal responsibility. The state's also failed theirs. If you didn't have predominantly locally funded schools, or christians, then you wouldn't be susceptible in the first place. Go ahead and prosecute, but the real problem is America is stupid. Maybe it has something to do with your "motto."

I don't disagree, but I think people in general are pretty stupid. It's why propaganda has worked so well in so many different nations at different moments in history. I'm all for improving our educational system, but I think we should also take steps to limit foreign sourced propaganda, especially during an election season.
 

justoh

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Bad direction? No. Good direction. Yes. They are listening to their customers and getting rid of asshole posts. Good for them. I fully support them and proudly report any racist, bigoted or defamatory post I see. I also refuse to give my money to any business that carries such messages.

The principle of free speech is that the government cannot punish you for it or limit it with threat of punishment. That is where it stops. Period. Full stop.

No private company has, nor should have an obligation to carry any message it doesn't want to. Especially since any asshoile can start his own website and post his crap there.

Again, either you agree to the right of private property or you do not.

What you cannot stomach here is the vast majority of social media users do NOT want racist, bigoted or defamatory posts on their social media.

You're trying very hard to be not that bad for a conservative, which is tedious and kind of overpowering. Nobody can be trusted to delimit speech, and whether you like it or not, these companies are more important than you're given them credit for. They can't be coerced, but they could be persuaded. I mean, if they weren't so obviously either stupid or sell-outs.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Hmmm... what about this? Looks like a bit of a Pandora's box has been opened. Foreign governments setting up sites that look like American grassroots organizations followed by pure propaganda...... American oligarchs are probably doing the same damn thing.



https://psmag.com/news/are-foreign-...-campaigns-part-of-the-new-political-playbook

Those activities are legal as they filed the proper paperwork. Going into the future, I would agree with Justoh that the primary issue is people being able to think critically about what they see and read. We aren't going to be able to keep foreign propaganda out.
 

justoh

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Does pewdiepie deserve this? I know it's Sweden, but it's the same kind of sensibility. And he has been punished by youtube itself. The WSJ? And what is the meaning of a hate registry if his name is on it. A defense of anyone's speech is a defense of all.


Should Sargon of Akkad been temporarily banned in this wave? (he's also on sweden's hate list lulz). He claims that they're actually targeting leftist or centrist broadcasters, who disagree with the mainstream narrative, since they're a little plausible, whereas people like alex jones are ignored because they're transparently ridiculous? I don't know. Actually just a big fan of The Room.
 

Amused

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You're trying very hard to be not that bad for a conservative, which is tedious and kind of overpowering. Nobody can be trusted to delimit speech, and whether you like it or not, these companies are more important than you're given them credit for. They can't be coerced, but they could be persuaded. I mean, if they weren't so obviously either stupid or sell-outs.

This makes no sense. Trying very hard to not be that bad? What does that even mean?

A private company is a private company. I dare say you're trying too hard to make them some kind of public entity.

Why would I persuade them to do the opposite of what I want any company I do business with to do?

Speech carries with it social consequence. As well it should. One of these consequences is people and businesses amy choose to refuse to listen to, and carry your message for you.

Too bad. Get over it. Social media is doing what the customer wants. Good business.
 

Amused

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Does pewdiepie deserve this? I know it's Sweden, but it's the same kind of sensibility. And he has been punished by youtube itself. The WSJ? And what is the meaning of a hate registry if his name is on it. A defense of anyone's speech is a defense of all.


Should Sargon of Akkad been temporarily banned in this wave? (he's also on sweden's hate list lulz). He claims that they're actually targeting leftist or centrist broadcasters, who disagree with the mainstream narrative, since they're a little plausible, whereas people like alex jones are ignored because they're transparently ridiculous? I don't know. Actually just a big fan of The Room.

That's what happens when you defame an entire country, culture and religion in one swift shot by spreading the Sweden Rape crisis/muslim conspiracy in the case of Sargon. As for the others, here:

http://www.wetheunicorns.com/news/hate-list-pewdiepie-sweden/

Another case of old news not followed up on.
 

Jhhnn

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Those activities are legal as they filed the proper paperwork. Going into the future, I would agree with Justoh that the primary issue is people being able to think critically about what they see and read. We aren't going to be able to keep foreign propaganda out.

True, but social media providers don't have to serve as their medium, at least not when it becomes obvious.

There may be hope for the future-

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180220093555.htm
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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True, but social media providers don't have to serve as their medium, at least not when it becomes obvious.

There may be hope for the future-

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180220093555.htm

Yes, I agree that social media companies are under no obligation to carry fake news, conspiracy theories, etc. It's just that as a practical matter, it's hard to keep propaganda out now that we have the internet.

That game is a very cool idea. Too bad only a small number of people will ever play it.
 

FelixDeCat

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It seems rather clear that you don't understand what you were replying to. You seem a bit confused between what you thought it should be, what you want it to be from across the sea, and what it actually is. Feel free to read it and see for yourself. Replying without reading from afar doesn't seem to be working out for you.

But that's Zin's schtick. Without it, he wont have any game.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, I agree that social media companies are under no obligation to carry fake news, conspiracy theories, etc. It's just that as a practical matter, it's hard to keep propaganda out now that we have the internet.

That game is a very cool idea. Too bad only a small number of people will ever play it.

It needs twitter bots & facebook trolls to send it trending...
 

Jhhnn

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/11/tim-berners-lee-tech-companies-regulations.

Don't get stuck on the tech companies not being Tier1 providers as some have pointed out.

Wah. Facebook & Twitter realize they've been had by alt-right conservatrolls & Russian bots so they're doing something about it.

It's funny how they both have the same message of divisive fear, uncertainty & distrust as Trump & the GOP, huh?

I guess they're all in it together for the MAGA...
 

UNCjigga

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ch33zw1z

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So...what are you saying? Should we trust the industry to figure out self-regulation or do you advocate for governments to step in and tell the tech companies what to do? Who gets to determine the balance between free speech vs. incendiary/hate speech?
Cons just wanna be the only voice heard, even if it's boots and foreign trolls
 

Jhhnn

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Its amazing how often conservative posters link to articles to "support" their positions yet those articles are either not on point or actually say the opposite of what said conservative poster says they do.

@imported_tajmahal @Doc Savage Fan @brandonbull are all repeat, serial offenders.

Can you all not read?

The right wing reality distortion field built into their headsets provides filters & enhancements they don't even know are there.

It's like flat earth believers in Galileo's time. Their answer is to just burn the heretics. Problem solved.
 

brandonbull

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So...what are you saying? Should we trust the industry to figure out self-regulation or do you advocate for governments to step in and tell the tech companies what to do? Who gets to determine the balance between free speech vs. incendiary/hate speech?

What I'm saying, along with others, is that tech companies have massive control over ideas, dissemination of information, and knowledge and it is a slippery slope when those tech companies state that they can control information in any manner they wish on their private platforms vs being regulated. Do we "nationalize" social media and tech companies or do we say "they are private companies and can do pretty much what ever"?
 

brandonbull

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Its amazing how often conservative posters link to articles to "support" their positions yet those articles are either not on point or actually say the opposite of what said conservative poster says they do.

@imported_tajmahal @Doc Savage Fan @brandonbull are all repeat, serial offenders.

Can you all not read?

I'll cut to the chase. You are dumb as fuck. You have zero clue as to what I said about tech companies having significant control of the internet and the dissemination of information. When millions of people claim that the Russian were able to leverage tech companies into getting Trump elected, we can't sit back and not worry about that those tech companies regulating their "private" assets. If their platforms can override the foundation of the US, maybe we shouldn't trust their "acceptable" and "unacceptable" information classification process.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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What I'm saying, along with others, is that tech companies have massive control over ideas, dissemination of information, and knowledge and it is a slippery slope when those tech companies state that they can control information in any manner they wish on their private platforms vs being regulated. Do we "nationalize" social media and tech companies or do we say "they are private companies and can do pretty much what ever"?

And what we're telling you is that the long conservative struggle to ensure corporations are defined as people and essentially have the same rights means that the ability to impose significant regulation on the speech carried by said tech companies is pretty much dead. Congrats you won! Enjoy your victory.
 
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