Silicon Valley goes full Orwell, ADL and SPLC now official Google/Facebook/Twitter censors

[brycejones]

I'll cut to the chase. You are dumb as fuck..

Stop projecting your inability to understand the issue and how the internet works on me.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And what we're telling you is that the long conservative struggle to ensure corporations are defined as people and essentially have the same rights means that the ability to impose significant regulation on the speech carried by said tech companies is pretty much dead. Congrats you won! Enjoy your victory.

He can fight it, but corporations will just send piles of free speech to the right candidate

 

[brandonbull]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

 

[WelshBloke]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

Honest question. Why do you think those companies have withdrawn their services?

 

[Stokely]

Free speech isn't entirely free, and never has been. Anyone thinking otherwise is either ignorant or willfully ignoring the fact in order to argue. There's a lot of things you can't say, and a lot of places you can't say them in. We aren't some libertarian paradise perfect on paper when it comes to "freedom" (thankfully). We are a society with compromises and limitations on what individuals and groups can do or say, for the good of society.

I'm super pissed that I can't do my nude chainsaw-juggling act in the supermarket, with the added challenge of reciting the dialog from various 70s porn movies. It's the man keeping me down, I tell you.

OMG! "Socialism" *holds up fingers in the sign of the cross* Feel free to form your own country where anyone can say anything they want to say 100% of the time--I'm sure you can carve one out in the 3rd world somewhere, and bring your guns because you'll likely need them to defend it when various bullies come calling.

And more seriously, this isn't an easy topic because "where to draw the line" is difficult. The motivations for these companies is not "doing the right thing", it's $$ and that's a fact. But we've all seen (though some deny it at this point) what happens when hate speech gets a free run in a country and we should learn from the examples.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

you know I’d like to have a good non-partisan or at least minimally partisan discussion about this.
I totally understand the danger of allowing google, Apple and amazon decide what meets their standards.
I also see there being enormous risk to allowing armed sedation to take place because we value are freedom too much.

or another way is certainly we all agree:
pedophilia sites should be taken down ASAP
sites which solicit murder or assassination of well anybody should be taken down

What about Parler and the threads to have the VP face a firing squad during a security breech into the building the VP is in.
When is it no longer sarcasm or a “joke” or poorly chosen words

@brandonbull are you up to the task?

 

[WelshBloke]

What about Parler and the threads to have the VP face a firing squad during a security breech into the building the VP is in.
When is it no longer sarcasm or a “joke” or poorly chosen words

I think we can say it's not a joke when a bunch of armed people break into the VPs location, beat a policeman to death on the way in, start searching for the VP whilst carrying restraints and saying that they are going to execute him.

 

[WelshBloke]

Its pretty obvious that, given recent developments, they weren't shut down anywhere near soon enough.

 

[kt]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

You do realize that all these companies provide a service, right? If a customer violates the term of their services, they have every right to refuse services to said customer.

 

[Commodus]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

I don't really fault them for cutting off Parler.

This wasn't an attempt to silence dissenting voices. Parler made generally insincere efforts to moderate content — it wasn't hard to find people genuinely advocating for murder and other crimes, even after the Capitol riot. Lin Wood was arguing for the execution of VP Pence for... following the Constitution.

That ventures past the point of free speech and veers into explicitly allowing illegal acts and threats. I don't care whether you lean right or left — if people on your site routinely make serious threats and you knowingly sit on your thumbs, your site should get its ass kicked.

 

[allisolm]

By the way, some good news: Natural News' Youtube Channel got it's third strike for sharing false flag videos and was terminated. Make Adams has no business having his snake-oil and conspiratard message on any medium. I can't wait for Alex Jones and Infowars to get the same.

I'd die laughing if Trump were banned from Twitter for the same antics.

Fast forward to today...

 

[TheVrolok]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

These private companies enforcing their terms of service! Socialists!!

 

[Greenman]

you know I’d like to have a good non-partisan or at least minimally partisan discussion about this.
I totally understand the danger of allowing google, Apple and amazon decide what meets their standards.
I also see there being enormous risk to allowing armed sedation to take place because we value are freedom too much.

or another way is certainly we all agree:
pedophilia sites should be taken down ASAP
sites which solicit murder or assassination of well anybody should be taken down

What about Parler and the threads to have the VP face a firing squad during a security breech into the building the VP is in.
When is it no longer sarcasm or a “joke” or poorly chosen words

@brandonbull are you up to the task?

I don't believe there is a good answer. Even things said in jest will be taken seriously, or misunderstood, by someone. Some are going to actively look for a reason to be offended, or find hidden meaning in the words of others. These things are rooted deep in our minds. Politics is to a large extant tribalism. Look at sports, people rave about how great "their" team is when last year half of them were members of the team they hate. All of this has been with us since before we climbed out of the trees, the difference is that now we have the ability to connect with millions of others, and sway them with partial truths, misquoted statements, lies of omission and outright falsehoods. Ad in the anonymous nature and distance from others that are basic to social media and we end up with the clusterfuck we're in right now.
The reason I don't think the issue will ever have an acceptable solution is that it's always "them". It's always the other guys doing it, it's always their fault, it's always "them" that need to be controlled. Almost all of us think this way, we know were right, and by god no one is going to tell us any different.

 

[IronWing]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

Fuck off, traitor.

 

[UNCjigga]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

Don’t worry, I’m sure Trump humpers can reach out to their brethren in ISIS, Hamas or Al Qaeda for instructions on terrorist communication and organization via Signal, IRC, Tor browser or other dark web tools. Their attack on America has garnered them sympathy from other America-haters.

 

[Leeea]

I'm super pissed that I can't do my nude chainsaw-juggling act in the supermarket, with the added challenge of reciting the dialog from various 70s porn movies. It's the man keeping me down, I tell you.

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[brycejones]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

@brandonbull Straight up do you think Parler has a right for its service to be carried by those companies regardless of what Apple, Google, and Amazon want?

 

[soundforbjt]

He's just been listening to right-wing media making the same claims and he's here to repeat it.

 

[WelshBloke]

He's just been listening to right-wing media making the same claims and he's here to repeat it.

Well it's certainly looking like he was being disingenuous in wanting to talk about it !

 

[OrByte]

And the new right/alt-right still don't realize that social media and websites are private property and the 1st amendment (or Orwell) does not apply.

Curious how the so-called free market conservatives who don't want to bake cakes for the gays feel entitled to force social media companies and websites to carry their hate/racist/bigotry/sexist/violation of terms of service posts.

Full derp ahead!

Bonus derp points for posting biased opinion pieces that completely misrepresent the issue.

/thread 2+ years later Thanks Amused.

 

[Amused]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

Sigh. So I'll dust this off too.

And the new right/alt-right still don't realize that social media and websites are private property and the 1st amendment (or Orwell) does not apply.

Curious how the so-called free market conservatives who don't want to bake cakes for the gays feel entitled to force social media companies and websites to carry their hate/racist/bigotry/sexist/violation of terms of service posts.

Full derp ahead!

Bonus derp points for posting biased opinion pieces that completely misrepresent the issue.

 

[BoomerD]

Sigh. So I'll dust this off too.

And the new right/alt-right still don't realize that social media and websites are private property and the 1st amendment (or Orwell) does not apply.

Curious how the so-called free market conservatives who don't want to bake cakes for the gays feel entitled to force social media companies and websites to carry their hate/racist/bigotry/sexist/violation of terms of service posts.

Full derp ahead!

Bonus derp points for posting biased opinion pieces that completely misrepresent the issue.

I've had this same kind of conversation with the Trump-humpers on a different site. If it's acceptable for a business to refuse to bake acake or provide flowers far gay weddings, it should be fine for Twitter, Facebook, AWS, etc. to ban Trump and his hate-spewing ilk from their services.

 

[kage69]

Those poor traitors and insurrectionists. They're the real victims here.

Private companies really should be more accommodating in helping organize sedition and violent uprisings.

Man, that Orwell nailed it.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Given what's happened with Google, Apple, and AWS shutting off access to Parler, seems like a good time to knock the dust off of this.

Maybe you could find a taser to knock the dust off your balls?

 

[GoPackGo]

Private companies can do what they want.... think of it as a modern day equivalent to "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"