Silicon Valley goes full Orwell, ADL and SPLC now official Google/Facebook/Twitter censors

[Amused]

Thanks for showing you too have a complete misunderstanding.

Here is how Maajid defines things.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703959704575453211943767790

He is not saying all Muslims are Islamist. What they did was take his comments about people that want to impose their radical view of Islam onto others. The vast majority of Muslims that do not want to impose their views would thus not be Islamist. The SPLC has been provided this and given this information and chosen to hold to their idea which is why they are now being sued. He is a Muslim that is trying to push out extreme ideas.

However, the SPLC has incontrovertible evidence that he HAS lumped in peaceful orgs with others and has gone out of his way to degrade muslims. His own Org's list is a very damning
example of this.
Like I said, maybe you should step outside your echo chamber and look at the other side of things.

Meanwhile, this guy is not your "Rosa Parks." That's not gonna fly. Your narrative that private property be damned and social media companies should be forced to carry the message of people they decide are hateful or are bad for their business will not fly past the narrow echo chamber of the alt-right.

Because the vast majority of the world do not want their social media filled with hate groups, fake news and conspiracy crap.

The chickens are coming home to roost for the alt-right and it's media and the public at large is in full agreement in sending them back to the fringes.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Censorship is okay when liberals do it?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Censorship is okay when liberals do it?

Shitting on the floor is okay when conservatives do it?

 

[realibrad]

However, the SPLC has incontrovertible evidence that he HAS lumped in peaceful orgs with others and has gone out of his way to degrade muslims. His own Org's list is a very damning
example of this.
Like I said, maybe you should step outside your echo chamber and look at the other side of things.

Meanwhile, this guy is not your "Rosa Parks." That's not gonna fly. Your narrative that private property be damned and social media companies should be forced to carry the message of people they decide are hateful or are bad for their business will not fly past the narrow echo chamber of the alt-right.

Because the vast majority of the world do not want their social media filled with hate groups, fake news and conspiracy crap.

The chickens are coming home to roost for the alt-right and it's media and the public at large is in full agreement in sending them back to the fringes.

From the article you linked.

Nawaz disputes the claim. Quilliam says the list in question was an appendix to a larger report, and simply a list of British Muslim organizations; in fact, he says, the point was to say that such groups should be legal, even if they were extremist, so long as they were not violent. “It wasn’t a terror list,” Nawaz said. “We were saying, don’t ban these groups. We’ve gone through the looking glass. It’s the direct opposite of my life’s work.” He pointed to an exchange on the floor of Parliament, in which then-Prime Minister Gordon Brown cited him in defense of the notion that Islamist parties such as Hizb ut-Tahrir, with which Nawaz was affiliated in his radical days, ought not to be illegal:

Even many of those who have left the groups and feel that they should be exposed are of the view that exposing them is not the same as banning them altogether. Maajid Nawaz, who talked about the matter on “Newsnight,” said: “My ideal scenario would be not to ban the party but it would be that through the … power of discussion and persuasion that eventually the party would fizzle out in this country.”

His list was to say that there are groups that while they are peaceful, share many of the same views and goals and those views should be countered. He never said they were all the same, as he is saying they are non-violent groups but have ideas that should be fought. Christians do the same thing when they call out crazies. How is his list any different?

Literally his entire point and goal is to show that Muslims and their views are complex and not all the same. That Muslims can exist in the world just like any other religious groups because the vast majority are peaceful.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Because the vast majority of the world do not want their social media filled with hate groups, fake news and conspiracy crap.

The chickens are coming home to roost for the alt-right and it's media and the public at large is in full agreement in sending them back to the fringes.

Take Reddit for example. One could argue that the extreme content they allowed to propagate on their platform has forever tainted their platform and stunted it's growth. They have made efforts to clean up their platform, but it's likely too late.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Shitting on the floor is okay when conservatives do it?

There you go again. Keep your bathroom habits to yourself.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Take Reddit for example. One could argue that the extreme content they allowed to propagate on their platform has forever tainted their platform and stunted it's growth. They have made efforts to clean up their platform, but it's likely too late.

But, but you dont understand. All comments are perfectly fine, so please, speak your mind (as long as you parrot what the alt left says).

 

[brycejones]

Censorship is okay when liberals do it?

Censorship has always been ok as long as it wasn't the government doing it. The 1st amendment only protects your speech from governmental interference. It doesn't require anyone else to give you a forum to express yourself. That's on you.

You don't like the policies of a company start your own or go to one that does what you want them to do.

 

[Greenman]

Silly thread. There is no first amendment issue with a private company limiting what can be said on their service. Twitter could decide that they will only allow discussion of unicorns and rainbows and be completely within their rights. If you don't like what they're doing, don't use the service. You could even encourage your friends and family not to use them.
Personally, I think the world was a better place before facebook and twitter. I wouldn't shed a tear if they both shut down tomorrow.

Edit: Corrected the amendment, those big numbers always confuse me.

 

[brycejones]

Silly thread. There is no second amendment issue with a private company limiting what can be said on their service. Twitter could decide that they will only allow discussion of unicorns and rainbows and be completely within their rights. If you don't like what they're doing, don't use the service. You could even encourage your friends and family not to use them.
Personally, I think the world was a better place before facebook and twitter. I wouldn't shed a tear if they both shut down tomorrow.

You mean the first right?

 

[Greenman]

You mean the first right?

Sorry, I was just reading a gun thread and got my outrage mixed up. As I've said before, I'm old and sometimes get the vapors. I'll fix it.

 

[Commodus]

Censorship is okay when liberals do it?

It's pretty simple: if you think Facebook, Google et. al should be forced to carry content they don't like, then that opens the door to a return to the Fairness Doctrine, if not more arbitrary requirements. Would you be comfortable if the government forced Fox News to carry 50 percent liberal content? No? Then actually respect the concept of free speech and let these sites choose what they publish.

 

[0roo0roo]

And the new right/alt-right still don't realize that social media and websites are private property and the 1st amendment (or Orwell) does not apply.

Curious how the so-called free market conservatives who don't want to bake cakes for the gays feel entitled to force social media companies and websites to carry their hate/racist/bigotry/sexist/violation of terms of service posts.
Full derp ahead!
Bonus derp points for posting biased opinion pieces that completely misrepresent the issue.

Well then, you are going to have to admit that the entire russian influence narrative is entirely illegitimate because these are just interactions between private parties, there is no public interest involved.

No public interest when the company in control of public discourse is not only racist against whites, but asians now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtub...ales-lawsuit-says-1519948013?tesla=y&mod=e2tw

 

[brycejones]

Well then, you are going to have to admit that the entire russian influence narrative is entirely illegitimate because these are just interactions between private parties, there is no public interest involved.

No public interest when the company in control of public discourse is not only racist against whites, but asians now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtub...ales-lawsuit-says-1519948013?tesla=y&mod=e2tw

wut?

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. Right ravers find out that the intarwebs are more like real life than they had considered. If you play the fool & show assholish tendencies too much at the local bar they'll 86 you & call the cops if you come back. And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it, either. When Facebook, Twitter & others take the same attitude as the bar owner there's nothing you can do about that, either.

Your free speech, asshole? Take it somewhere else.

 

[nickqt]

They sure did go to some serious lengths to bury a photo though didn't they. Can't pretend to not like him, that would certainly piss off the base.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-obama-farrakhan-photo-photographer-says.html

Here's a "pro-tip" for you. You aren't qualified to give pro-tips here, this isn't your nambla meeting, you disgusting pos, and you aren't in charge.

Got it? Good.

I'm done with you now, you may leave.

Oh and you seem really angry. Get some help.

Nambla?

Protip: no one gives a fuck about what you say around here, champ.

But keep on keepin' on!

 

[nickqt]

Not sure if you are that stupid or just getting started on your weekend troll fest and using "protip" negates any statement that follows. The only time you should offer a "protip" is if we want to be the proverbial skid mark on P&N.

In case you haven't noticed, you're the joke around here.

But you keep on doing you bro.

 

[fskimospy]

Well then, you are going to have to admit that the entire russian influence narrative is entirely illegitimate because these are just interactions between private parties, there is no public interest involved.

No public interest when the company in control of public discourse is not only racist against whites, but asians now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtub...ales-lawsuit-says-1519948013?tesla=y&mod=e2tw

Wait, I thought the Russian influence thing was all a librul hoax anyway??

You guys need to work better at keeping your stories straight.

 

[feralkid]

Censorship is okay when liberals do it?

How many times must you be told before you get half a clue?

It's okay when private companies do it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Will someone *please* shut the door on the parrot cage.

Well then, you are going to have to admit that the entire russian influence narrative is entirely illegitimate because these are just interactions between private parties, there is no public interest involved.

No public interest when the company in control of public discourse is not only racist against whites, but asians now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtub...ales-lawsuit-says-1519948013?tesla=y&mod=e2tw

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well then, you are going to have to admit that the entire russian influence narrative is entirely illegitimate because these are just interactions between private parties, there is no public interest involved.

No public interest when the company in control of public discourse is not only racist against whites, but asians now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtub...ales-lawsuit-says-1519948013?tesla=y&mod=e2tw

Kind of funny since it’s coming from a Russian

 

[Jhhnn]

I've really enjoyed all the feigned butthurt over the purging of Russian & Alt-right bots. I seriously doubt that any of our usual ravers were purged & if they're real people getting re-instated is easy.

OTOH, what does it mean when your posting style is indistinguishable from mindless bots?

Just stand there, look down at your shoes & think up some sort of answer...

 

[urvile]

Well then, you are going to have to admit that the entire russian influence narrative is entirely illegitimate because these are just interactions between private parties, there is no public interest involved.

No public interest when the company in control of public discourse is not only racist against whites, but asians now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtub...ales-lawsuit-says-1519948013?tesla=y&mod=e2tw

Huh?

 

[Commodus]

Huh?

0roo is scrambling to avoid admitting he's wrong. Also, he's a classic case of a false persecution complex.

 

[Jhhnn]

0roo is scrambling to avoid admitting he's wrong. Also, he's a classic case of a false persecution complex.

Derailing his own thread with whataboutism. Priceless.