SILVER Thermal Paste tested. Some Disturbing results!!!

[SilversinkSam]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Personally, I'm enormously surprised to see OCZ caught making false advertising claims... NOT. And look at all of you suckers, falling for their show of righteous indignation towards their supplier... where's the typical Internet-dweller's sense of cynicism? Eh?

Well as the sucker that caught this issue, as I mentioned I am pleased OCZ acted rather than ignored, as Compusa is doing Something is better than nothing when you add everything up.

 

[ronnn]

Does this mean I have to put new thermal grease on my cpu and zalman heatpipe? :frown:
Darn I knew there must be a reason it was less then half the price.

 

[arsbanned]

Well, how's it performing? If temps seems high, then yes, you have to put new thermal grease. I would recommend the cheap stuff that comes in one color (white) and contains NO silver whatsoever.

 

[SilversinkSam]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Well, how's it performing? If temps seems high, then yes, you have to put new thermal grease. I would recommend the cheap stuff that comes in one color (white) and contains NO silver whatsoever.

These pastes, ARE the cheap 'white' stuff (SILICONE BASED PASTES) that are silver in Color Aluminum oxide is pale and when the organic silver coloring was added it became mighty silver.

Reviews are common for silicone based thermal pastes

 

[InlineFive]

I like my Artic Silver 5 very well. My XP 3200+ didn't go over 34c after 8 hours of Prime92 and my nForce2 Ultra 400 with a passive Zalman heastink didn't go over 25c.

 

[Adul]

thumbs up for OCZ

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Personally, I'm enormously surprised to see OCZ caught making false advertising claims... NOT. And look at all of you suckers, falling for their show of righteous indignation towards their supplier... where's the typical Internet-dweller's sense of cynicism? Eh?

I bought my tubes because it was on sale and dirt cheap. I thought, how bad can a Artic Silver knockoff be? Several reviews said it was better than AS3 at the time.

Anyways, does anyone have any idea whether the OCZ thermal Compound they're sending in place of the thermal compound is AS2, AS3 or AS5?

 

[Nevin]

WobbleWobble,

It will be our latest compound, Arctic Silver 5.

Nevin House
Arctic Silver, Inc.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: Nevin
WobbleWobble,

It will be our latest compound, Arctic Silver 5.

Nevin House
Arctic Silver, Inc.

Thanks for the info Nevin. It's great when companies like your actually browse forums like this. Good stuff.

 

[ktwebb]

"thumbs up for OCZ"

And this would be because............They sold something that claimed to be something else, then whey they were exposed, they reacted quickly? I'd think they would act pretty quickly. It's called damage control. They got busted and immediately reacted to try to save the company. They may do it based on some of the posts in this forum. These kinds of things are rarely, if EVER, a mistake. Naive to assume that OCZ was completely suprised by the findings and ridiculous to applaud them for "rectifying" it.

 

[NFactor]

At least they reacted, there have been plenty of companies who never gave a damn when their products went bad until they were mobbed by the media.

 

[Redviffer]

Originally posted by: NFactor
At least they reacted, there have been plenty of companies who never gave a damn when their products went bad until they were mobbed by the media.

Agreed. Thumbs-up for doing something, thumbs-down for having the problem in the first place.

 

[narzy]

I want to see their first test results and if possible get a sample of an early tube an re-run the tests, I have a feeling their covering their ass after getting busted. it is very likely that the now former vendor lied to OCZ to sell them the cheaper product but I am still skeptical of the OCZ product name because of their deceptive history.

 

[tcsenter]

They sold something that claimed to be something else, then whey they were exposed, they reacted quickly? I'd think they would act pretty quickly. It's called damage control. They got busted and immediately reacted to try to save the company. They may do it based on some of the posts in this forum. These kinds of things are rarely, if EVER, a mistake.

Correct, these kinds of shenanigans rarely are a 'mistake', because someone made the decision to remove the silver from this preparation and not tell anyone.

But I can assure you, these shenanigans can and do originate with the contract supplier without the knowledge of the brand marketer. General Motors, Ford, and hundreds of other companies, have had problems with suppliers who deliver production samples for testing that meet or exceed all requested specifications at a very competitive price. The company is pleased, awards the supplier a contract, and somewhere down the line, the supplier begins to skimp on something and doesn't tell anyone. The consumer is hardly the only one who falls victim to the bait-and-switch.

Government contractors are notorious for this, as are foreign suppliers in far-away developing countries; the kind of far-away developing countries where one most likely would find a source for thermal transfer compound (e.g. China).

OCZ doesn't make this stuff nor do they have control over what does or does not get put into it without their knowledge.

 

[SilversinkSam]

Originally posted by: narzy
I want to see their first test results and if possible get a sample of an early tube an re-run the tests, I have a feeling their covering their ass after getting busted. it is very likely that the now former vendor lied to OCZ to sell them the cheaper product but I am still skeptical of the OCZ product name because of their deceptive history.

I can tell you one thing, I will test the new product for silver, thats my civic duty to you all

 

[narzy]

SilversinkSam, on a side note, I can't thank you enough for dedicating your time and doing this testing. I would have never thought about it as an issue for one.

Thank you.

PS: for those saying "who cares" if you know a bit about AS it doesnt dry out, that is due to the chemical makeup of the product, I don't know if the OCZ product or Compusa product will dry or not, but I have a feeling they will react quite differently under load and over time.

 

[chess9]

IF you have conclusive test results that show false advertising I would recommend that you submit them to the Federal Trade Commission and several of the large state trade commissions, including N.Y., California, Texas, and Florida, for starters.

CompUsa has been letting us down for quite some time now. I thought OCZ had cleaned up its act. I'm not amused.....

-Robert

 

[SilversinkSam]

Originally posted by: chess9
IF you have conclusive test results that show false advertising I would recommend that you submit them to the Federal Trade Commission and several of the large state trade commissions, including N.Y., California, Texas, and Florida, for starters.

CompUsa has been letting us down for quite some time now. I thought OCZ had cleaned up its act. I'm not amused.....

-Robert

I am doing things incrementally, Lab reports will be published Monday. At That point I am going to print the lab tests up, Notarize them and send them to Larry Mondry, Chief Executive Officer of Compusa, via certified mail. Then I am going to contact his office in earnest.

I am going to talk to council and decide the next course of action, one thing I will emphatically say is, I will not give up.

 

[Bleep]

A bump for a good post.

Bleep

 

[Texun]

False advertising is a screw job and should be addressed. As far as OCZ not knowing about it, don't they have a quality control process??

Regarding the different thermal compounds, I have come to believe it is up to the individual user to decide what works best. I've used AS but never did achieve the incredible results others have seen, and I followed the instructions step by step more than once. I even printed them out and checked them off. The instructions were followed as closely to the letter as possible. Maybe I still screwed something up. For the past year or two I have used the fake CompUSA goop and have received very good to excellent results every time.

I was looking for a good review for the type 44 compound but only found one (link posted below). While my results with AS and the CUSA goop were almost the same I can't go as far as the reviewer did and rate the following six all the same. My "test bed" is far from precise and my results were not anywhere scientific. All I know at this point is that I would really like to experience the huge improvement others have seen. For now I will use what works for me.

My XP2400 runs in the high 30's to 41C under load and my XP1800 has never seen anything above 36C.

LINK

Brand: Idle Temp Stress Temp
Arctic Silver 80F / 26.6C 111F / 43.8C
Arctic Silver II 80F / 26.6C 111F / 43.8C
OCZ QuickSilver 80F / 26.6C 111F / 43.8C
Generic Silicone 80F / 26.6C 111F / 43.8C
Type 44 80F / 26.6C 111F / 43.8C
Quality Silicone 80F / 26.6C 111F / 43.8C

 

[Bleep]

My experience with the cusa stuff is that it dries out and becomes less effective as time goes by.

Bleep

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: ktwebb
"thumbs up for OCZ"

And this would be because............They sold something that claimed to be something else, then whey they were exposed, they reacted quickly? I'd think they would act pretty quickly. It's called damage control. They got busted and immediately reacted to try to save the company. They may do it based on some of the posts in this forum. These kinds of things are rarely, if EVER, a mistake. Naive to assume that OCZ was completely suprised by the findings and ridiculous to applaud them for "rectifying" it.

They went out of their way to fix the situation, they didn't have to, they simply could have pushed it under the rug. But to provide not only a replacement of the tube, but a T-shirt and a rebate for purchase of RAM, that's definitely going out of their way.

 

[Texun]

Originally posted by: Bleep
My experience with the cusa stuff is that it dries out and becomes less effective as time goes by.
Bleep

Thanks! I swap parts too often to let anything dry out but I'll keep an eye on it.

 

[sharkeeper]

I would suggest looking closely at the retail packaging on the CUSA stuff.

Does it say it actually contains silver?

Technically, they are not guilty by selling it as "silver grease" because it is silver in colour.

Cheers!

 

[SilversinkSam]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam
I would suggest looking closely at the retail packaging on the CUSA stuff.

Does it say it actually contains silver?

Technically, they are not guilty by selling it as "silver grease" because it is silver in colour.

Cheers!

They are GUILTY, of being morons and guilty of selling a misrepresented product. Compusa doesn't know what they are selling, The Package states "Made with 99% pure micronized silver, 85% to 90% silver content by weight". Compusa's website states Silver Thermal Grease, 2-pack, Manufacturer FMI, Mfg Part # EQ40096J, Product Number 288619. "Made with 97% Pure Micronized Silver, 75%-80% Silver content by weight".

But the fact is, it has ZERO silver(Ag) and it says on the package and on their website it does have silver, My article will be out tomorrow with Laboratory finding showing that they are wrong. I hope they pull the item off their shelves, as its a misrepresented product in a big way.