Since all of you are are producing 3+tons of carbondioxide.

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Carbon is the very base building block of life.

I need to go out and produce some more and let them hook up with nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen.


..and don't buy into the cooling/warming hoax.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Again, what part of thermodynamics do you not get?

The global warming activists will have to respond to the td argument.

My concern is the supply of easy hydrocarbon energy. Thermodynamics has nothing to do with the global containment of oil.

Rogo

I see your call and raise you with Science.

What part of basic science do you not get?
 

Sphexi

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Well, since gasoline in the Vancouver area hit almost $1.28 per litre today, that's about $4.07USD per gallon (being fair with the exchange rate), I wouldn't complain about $3USD per gallon too much. Then again, we're getting up to European prices, which is just sick.

Edit:
$4.35USD to be more exact.
 

Rogodin2

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I see your call and raise you with Science.

The only thing you've posted is 'thermodynamics'. If you can somehow use a thermodynamic model to disprove global warming and peak oil I'll read it.

You've not raised anything.

Rogo
 
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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Highline

I live 280 miles from the western coast and I'm seeing a $3.22 per gallon.

Rogo

The gas prices are 100% supply/demand. You think oil companies are hitting record profits because they are having "manufacturing difficulties"? Are people in teh US that stupid?

The only excuse oil companies have for the current prices is the fact that they need to start drilling off shore (dep water drilling) if oil is to remain mainstream 20 eyars from now and that takes big money now.
 
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Originally posted by: SampSon
I can afford a 150-200% increase in living expenses, and still have money to save and spare.

In the end, I don't give a flying fvck about the survival of anybody but myself and my family.
I don't care about the poor or the downtrodden, they can all starve and die. I don't care if millions of people cannot afford energy, because I still can.
If 20% of the population in this country died right now, I wouldn't care if I, and my family, was still alive and well.

Am I selfish, yes I am. In the end when it comes down to me and you, I will always pick me.
Now get the fvck out of my way.

Glad your welathy and it's to bad that you wish ill will towards the people that bring you food and gas. no gas and you are dead to you dumb moron.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
yep half the problem of america right there... to be honest though, at least you are honest about it... why can't politicians come out and say this if this is how they feel?

I SO promised myself I wouldn't go there....

1) Treehuggers LOVE to interferre with natural order/natural selection
2) Treehuggers LOVE to proclaim how darwin rules all
3) Treehuggers LOVE to basically f' up the planet without even realizing just how bad they are interferring with the planet.

That urge to take care of oneself? That drive to put one's self first?

That's Darwin at work. I swear, if you are going to believe in Darwin, at least go all in. You CANNOT BE A BELIEVER IN DARWINISM IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SELF PRESERVATION AT ALL COSTS AND PRESERVATION OF IMMEDIATE RESOURCES

You can't have it both ways.

 

Rogodin2

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"I SO promised myself I wouldn't go there....

1) Treehuggers LOVE to interferre with natural order/natural selection
2) Treehuggers LOVE to proclaim how darwin rules all
3) Treehuggers LOVE to basically f' up the planet without even realizing just how bad they are interferring with the planet.

That urge to take care of oneself? That drive to put one's self first?

That's Darwin at work. I swear, if you are going to believe in Darwin, at least go all in. You CANNOT BE A BELIEVER IN DARWINISM IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SELF PRESERVATION AT ALL COSTS AND PRESERVATION OF IMMEDIATE RESOURCES

You can'not have it both ways.

"

Spidey

That was a great post. We're beyond the preservation of immediate resources-that is the primary problem.

Rogo
 

Rogodin2

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The only excuse oil companies have for the current prices is the fact that they need to start drilling off shore (dep water drilling) if oil is to remain mainstream 20 eyars from now and that takes big money now.

IHMJ

You're optimistic-supply side is on the decline as we write. I had an economics professor that explained how the demand for oil would surpass the supply of easy crude oil in the early decades of the 20th century-this was back in 93. I didn't think much about it until I started running a combine outfit.

Rogo

 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Spidey

That was a great post. We're beyond the preservation of immediate resources-that is the primary problem.

Rogo

No we're not. To do so is to muck with natural order.

Remember just how close we are to monkeys and how little evolution has taken place since then. To deny 100 thousand PLUS years of development in the belief that we are somehow, someway above animals is against all we know.

About thermodynamics - you posted a bunch of stuff about energy being created/destroyed/harvested/whatever. That's where I was coming from. There is only one source of energy hitting this planet, that energy is stored in various forms. So what if we use it.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
**quickly runs to cut off catalytic converter**

:thumbsup:

Give back to the planet. You are literally creating life with your good deeds.
 

Rogodin2

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About thermodynamics - you posted a bunch of stuff about energy being created/destroyed/harvested/whatever. That's where I was coming from. There is only one source of energy hitting this planet, that energy is stored in various forms. So what if we use it.

We've used it-but it is finite, the energy we've used is measurable. Oil is not the 'golden ether' that the greeks believed comprised the heavens.

I believe that since the industrial revolution in Europe we've squandered the most valuable natural resource on our planet. We've used the bounty of this earth to destroy ourselves.

Rogo
 

Zenmervolt

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Like all humans, my carbon make-up is roughly 18.5% by weight. Not really 3+ tons.

ZV
 

Rogodin2

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*S*

No one has asked me why I've created this thread.

Is my goal to make money, create some kind of respect, or appologize for being an ass sometimes?

I'll go talk to L K and have him drain all of the 23 JD 9500s dirty oil just three rows out on the wheat fields that I used to harvest - the EPA doesn't check and you won't taste anything different when you eat your safeway bread *S*.

Rogo





 

IEC

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Oh well, you lifers are fools and haven't seen how your food is produced

Thank god I have.

I thought I'd post a few things to alert you to the problems you'll have acquiring food withint the next 10 years.

Rogo

Agriculture is fueled (hah) by petrol. Without diesel/gasoline large-scale agriculture suddenly becomes much more difficult...
 

Rogodin2

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Agriculture is fueled (hah) by petrol. Without diesel/gasoline large-scale agriculture suddenly becomes much more difficult...

Spartan Niner-that's exaclty the problem. I burned 600 gallons of diesel to harvest 100 acres of wheat per day, many bushels but I didn't take the wheat home and make bread, back then our fuel budget was 28% of OC.

That was 10 years ago.

The margin is smaller every year even with ADM subsidies.

Rogo
 

MrPickins

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The sky is not falling, the USA has plenty of surplus food production capacity, new (huge) sources of oil are becoming profitable to extract.


Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Carbon is the very base building block of life.

It is, but Carbon Dioxide is not.

Rogo

Where do you think the carbon you are made of came from?

Try googling the carbon cycle.
 

MrPickins

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Agriculture is fueled (hah) by petrol. Without diesel/gasoline large-scale agriculture suddenly becomes much more difficult...

Spartan Niner-that's exaclty the problem. I burned 600 gallons of diesel to harvest 100 acres of wheat per day, many bushels but I didn't take the wheat home and make bread, back then our fuel budget was 28% of OC.

That was 10 years ago.

The margin is smaller every year even with ADM subsidies.

Rogo

You realize we don't have to make diesel from fossil fuels, right?

A portion of each farmers crop should easily supply the biodiesel needed to operate the equipment.
 
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