Since all of you are are producing 3+tons of carbondioxide.

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Environmentalists believe that to stop global warming every person needs to reduce their emissions to roughly 2,500 kg per year.

They say this and then start you off with 5,950kg of "Secondary" consumption as a baseline? When these mantra-chanting incense-breathing herb-sucking yahoos come up with a plausible plan of action to make this happen, you let me know.

- M4H
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Of course I am referring to the OP here, what does "Since all of you are are producing 3+tons of carbondioxide." have to do with gas prices?

Those individual's producing low amounts of carbon dioxide do so by not driving often (if at all), not flying, and generally conserving energy when and whereever they can.

From what I've seen posted, in this thread, the majority of you grasp that oil is a finite resource, but you're either unwilling or unable to curtail your usage. Some of you are outright foolish and buy 4x4 trucks, SUVs and massive homes-and then brag about it. I do wish that we could cut our dependency on oil but the American public (as demonstrated by most of the posters in this thread) has their head's so far up their butts that they believe we can just 'poke more holes in the Alaskan tundra' LOL!

Rogo

If its going to run out its going to run out, then what? I don't see it running out right now, I've yet to see one pump go dry in fact. It's been running out since the 70s.

What are we going to do, pretend that using 10% less is going to make it last a year longer so we can postpone the inevitable while making great changes to our lifestyles to avoid something that you say is going to happen eventually anyway?

If I'm at a party and there is a box of pizza with three slices in it and there are 100 people there, I'm going to grab me a slice if there is one for me to grab. It's there for our consumption, and it is going to get used. If not by me, by someone else. It's not just going to sit there and not be utilized and exploited simply because there are only 3. Oh it's a finite resource so we'll just let it sit there and not ever use it at all... (which as I understand may not necessarily be true with oil, but still the rate we use is faster than we regenerate it apparently, and who knows maybe global warming will cause more heat and pressure in the earth and accelerate the process of making oil faster )

If it's finite and it's going to run out, then lets all buy 500 HP V8 cars now, use up all the remaining oil in record time and have our fun while we can and get it over with and end all this doom and gloom speculation once and for all. I think that would be a fun world, it would shake up the status quo of life on this planet and make my lifetime occur during a pivotal time period in the human race. A Mad Max/First of the North Star style post oil depletion world would be fun and put into perspective how trivial the majority of the rest of our daily problems are

Fussing about it is like missing out on all the fun things in life because you might get cancer, you might get hurt, etc. You just end up wasting your whole life just to live two years longer in the end. *wank wank* The same thing as people waiting in the gas lines in the 70s burning gas to get gas, knowing that when they use up that tank, they will be right back at square one; seriously wtf is the point of waiting in line for one last gallon of gas going to achieve?

Aside from reproducing, eating, shitting, and dieing, we really serve no purpose here and everything else we do is purely optional and for our own intangible enjoyment. I'm not really worried about things we have no control over in the long term. The universe, the Earth, oil, it was all here before I was and I'm pretty sure it won't care when I'm gone.

I'm going to do what I can afford to do, and that means I'll be driving my V8 Cobra until there isn't a drop of gasoline left in the world.

After that I will just have to cope, now won't I :laugh:

As for global warming I don't buy it. There was warming before to end the Ice Age. There is warming now, and it is also occurring in other parts of the solar system that are not under human influence. And no global warming model that predicts the future based on todays activity is capable of accurately predicting todays environment based on the past, so it's all nonsense to me. Where were the global warming experts when there was 9 feet of snow in New York in Feb/March? Or when Tucson Arizona saw snow again in the middle of the desert for an entire day for the first time in like 20 years?

And again, if I'm wrong, we will be in for some fun times. Living in the desert all my life, seeing other seasons and snow would be nice. Who cares. The Earth is going to be destroyed by the Sun in 5 billion years anyway, our existence here is meaningless.

I swear, do you people conserve, wash, reuse, share, and hang on to your last square of toilet paper for 5 months before giving in and buying more when it finally falls apart or what? Lighten up, enjoy your short life while it lasts, and quit being so paranoid all the time. As far as the universe is concerned, what you do or don't do doesn't mean squat.
 

Rogodin2

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Fussing about it is like missing out on all the fun things in life because you might get cancer, you might get hurt, etc.

This is your opinion and I do not share it. A change of lifestyle to a place of sanctuary and clean living a personal state that means much more to me that the contemporary American lifestyle.

Rogo
 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Where were the global warming experts when there was 9 feet of snow in New York in Feb/March? Or when Tucson Arizona saw snow again in the middle of the desert for an entire day for the first time in like 20 years?

Do you seriously believe that 'global warming' refers only to elevated temperatures around the globe? I genuinely hope no one is that ignorant; global warming relates to (and I choose not to put this elegantly) the genuine ******-up of our world due to a ****** load of people being so god-damned short-sighted.

I'm not an environmentalist -- I equate that title with certified lunatic -- but I understand the few trillion tonnes of these nasty oxides which we've been pumping into the atmosphere over the span of our industrialized existence can not, at the least, be any good for the planet.

On the one hand we have people saying global warming/peak oil will be the end of us, and on the other we have those who say it is a completely natural phenomenon. While it seems that neither camp is truly correct, this certainly doesn't give us a reason to sit on our asses and do nothing to preserve this planet for future generations. I can not understand the absolute idiocy of some people. Coal power instead of nuclear, for one. Sure, we may have 8000 years of coal under our asses; however it seems that we're going to need that coal to turn it into oil (not too economical right now, afaik, but it's getting there). We can't breed our uranium, transforming it into 100% usable fuel instead of 3%, due to those non-proliferation treaties of the 60's (OT: and where the hell have those gotten us?).

Damnit people, we shouldn't be using 50-year-old legislation and 200+ year-old technology when the stuff we have now is so much cleaner, cheaper, and safer. Sure, it's a pain in the ass now, but good things come to those who wait.

-ben
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
After that I will just have to cope, now won't I

Umm-nope-you'll die.

Rogo

Huh? Why is that?

Oh noes the gas is all gone and I can't drive my car any more. Neither can anybody else. Oh well.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Originally posted by: exdeath
Where were the global warming experts when there was 9 feet of snow in New York in Feb/March? Or when Tucson Arizona saw snow again in the middle of the desert for an entire day for the first time in like 20 years?

Do you seriously believe that 'global warming' refers only to elevated temperatures around the globe? I genuinely hope no one is that ignorant; global warming relates to (and I choose not to put this elegantly) the genuine ******-up of our world due to a ****** load of people being so god-damned short-sighted.

I'm not an environmentalist -- I equate that title with certified lunatic -- but I understand the few trillion tonnes of these nasty oxides which we've been pumping into the atmosphere over the span of our industrialized existence can not, at the least, be any good for the planet.

On the one hand we have people saying global warming/peak oil will be the end of us, and on the other we have those who say it is a completely natural phenomenon. While it seems that neither camp is truly correct, this certainly doesn't give us a reason to sit on our asses and do nothing to preserve this planet for future generations. I can not understand the absolute idiocy of some people. Coal power instead of nuclear, for one. Sure, we may have 8000 years of coal under our asses; however it seems that we're going to need that coal to turn it into oil (not too economical right now, afaik, but it's getting there). We can't breed our uranium, transforming it into 100% usable fuel instead of 3%, due to those non-proliferation treaties of the 60's (OT: and where the hell have those gotten us?).

Damnit people, we shouldn't be using 50-year-old legislation and 200+ year-old technology when the stuff we have now is so much cleaner, cheaper, and safer. Sure, it's a pain in the ass now, but good things come to those who wait.

-ben

And hundreds of millions of acres of forest fires that burn in just a few states and volcanic activity like Mt. St. Helens (sp?), have been around for much longer than we have, and pumping more 'oxides' into the air in one natural event than several decades of human industrialization combined.

What is your point?
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: RallyMaster
jeebus. i bike....so you can't say ****** to me, kthx.

Once all the cars are gone, these guys will turn to the next best thing: start sorting out the people that eat and breath the most and try to euthanize them because they put of more than their fair share of carbon emissions. That means you sense aerobic activity increases respiration. Be careful. :roll:
 

Rogodin2

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And hundreds of millions of acres of forest fires and volcanic activity like Mt. St. Helens (sp?), have been around for much longer than we have pumping more 'oxides' into the air in one natural event than several decades of human industrialization combined.

This isn't about decades lad-this is about centuries-are you 5 inches deep into your dumb asz or 12? You're just the type of person that perpetuates the cycle. I used to combine the wheat that was shipped to the factories that baked your bread. I realized then that it wasn't tenable. We used to handcrank the diesel into our combines-made you realize how much fuel goes into JUST HARVESTING the wheat that make your bread. The truckers would then pull doubles 200 miles @ 5miles per gallon to the columbia river barges, they burn serious amounts of diesel just to get to the pacific ports just west of Portland. Then the coastal shipping jugs would carry it to the western ports, it's then transferred into rail/tc containers-and it's transported to local plants along the coast.

So, your cost of bread-let alone fresh produce is being subsidized and transported by companies that don't have the margin to operate without the influx of mainline capital. In laymans terms you're properly fvcked you wanker.

Rogo
 

Rogodin2

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America - F*** YEAH

You're an poop snake too MF?

Jeezus-I was hoping that ATOT would redeem itself in the overflowing of primary source material.

JM was correct-you're all idiots

Rogo
 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: exdeath


And hundreds of millions of acres of forest fires that burn in just a few states and volcanic activity like Mt. St. Helens (sp?), have been around for much longer than we have, and pumping more 'oxides' into the air in one natural event than several decades of human industrialization combined.

What is your point?

You seriously MUST be ****** kidding me.

-ben
 

Fenixgoon

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anyone get the memo about the temperature of mars increasing by ~0.5 C? and guess what - NO HUMAN ACITIVTY. sure CO2 may not help, but global warming is a natural phenomena, damnit!
 

Rogodin2

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anyone get the memo about the temperature of mars increasing by ~0.5 C

That's igoratio elenchi Fenix.

Jupiter rasises surface temp 25c per mont, that means it's okay when in 2 years we've increased surface temperature by 10c?

ben

exdeath is a fool, don't reply to him anymore.

Rogo
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Originally posted by: exdeath


And hundreds of millions of acres of forest fires that burn in just a few states and volcanic activity like Mt. St. Helens (sp?), have been around for much longer than we have, and pumping more 'oxides' into the air in one natural event than several decades of human industrialization combined.

What is your point?

You seriously MUST be ****** kidding me.

-ben

Why? I know volcanoes aren't as fashionable to crusade against as SUVs. I somehow doubt the crystal clear water and C02 coming out of my exhaust is more harmful than the C0, C02, sulfur, carbon, soot, given off by natural causes.

I also mentioned that other places in the solar system have also experienced unusual climate changes.

You just keep acting like I'm clueless instead of providing any evidence. Because there is no evidence, it is a theory that cannot be validated just like the existence of a god can be validated.

More of the evidence exists that suggest that the global warming fanatics are more likely the lunatics this round though.

Btw I actually despise SUVs for my own reasons, mainly that I prefer to stay away from anything glorified by popular culture because populate culture disgusts me, like iPods, SUVs, etc. and their drivers are often inconsiderate hogs that think their size allows them to just drift into lanes as they please without regard for anyone around them. But whatever, as long as they don't mess with my property or try to control my life, I will return the same courtesy even if I don't adopt to their lifestyle.

 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
And hundreds of millions of acres of forest fires and volcanic activity like Mt. St. Helens (sp?), have been around for much longer than we have pumping more 'oxides' into the air in one natural event than several decades of human industrialization combined.

This isn't about decades lad-this is about centuries-are you 5 inches deep into your dumb asz or 12? You're just the type of person that perpetuates the cycle. I used to combine the wheat that was shipped to the factories that baked your bread. I realized then that it wasn't tenable. We used to handcrank the diesel into our combines-made you realize how much fuel goes into JUST HARVESTING the wheat that make your bread. The truckers would then pull doubles 200 miles @ 5miles per gallon to the columbia river barges, they burn serious amounts of diesel just to get to the pacific ports just west of Portland. Then the coastal shipping jugs would carry it to the western ports, it's then transferred into rail/tc containers-and it's transported to local plants along the coast.

So, your cost of bread-let alone fresh produce is being subsidized and transported by companies that don't have the margin to operate without the influx of mainline capital. In laymans terms you're properly fvcked you wanker.

Rogo

Humans have subsisted for over 2000 years of recorded history without diesel and industrialization. *yawn*

It won't be as easy or convenient but it can be done. Amish people do it every day for example.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
That means you sense aerobic activity increases respiration. Be careful.

Produce some hard numbers lad. I'd gladly asphyxiate someone of your element.

Rogo

Thats your job, you are the one that started a thread to make a case
 

Rogodin2

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You just keep acting like I'm clueless instead of providing any evidence. Because there is no evidence, it is a theory that cannot be validated just like the existence of a god can be validated.

I've linked one U.N. source-you've posted nothing to refute that global warming isn't empirical. When you post anything about GW that is based on primary source material I'll read it.

I have to ask you again-what is your educational level?

Rogo
 
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