Singing with a hoarse voice.

[OinkBoink]

Okay, no one's ever given me a satisfactory answer to this question ever.

Listen to this guy singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92HGpfjBJA

How do you get that sort of a hoarse quality to your voice? What sort of training does it take? Has anyone taken this form of training here? Is it just a natural quality to their singing voice that some people have?

Once thing people say is substance use. Sure, it may be unhealthy, but it's one way of getting there. But the fact is, it mostly does NOT work. Smoking and drinking usually hardly alters your voice that way. It usually tends to make it worse.

Hoarse/gruff voices are common among metal vocalists. James Hetfield of the 80s for instance.

Also, I'm talking in particular about singing. NOT screaming, growling or other associated things.

 

[OinkBoink]

:whiste:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGZwmelwnBU

 

[dmcowen674]

Okay, no one's ever given me a satisfactory answer to this question ever.

Listen to this guy singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92HGpfjBJA

How do you get that sort of a hoarse quality to your voice? What sort of training does it take? Has anyone taken this form of training here? Is it just a natural quality to their singing voice that some people have?

Once thing people say is substance use. Sure, it may be unhealthy, but it's one way of getting there. But the fact is, it mostly does NOT work. Smoking and drinking usually hardly alters your voice that way. It usually tends to make it worse.

Hoarse/gruff voices are common among metal vocalists. James Hetfield of the 80s for instance.

Also, I'm talking in particular about singing. NOT screaming, growling or other associated things.

Ever heard the term "Rode hard and put away wet?"

vocal cords

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_folds

 

[futurefields]

Crazy Rhubarb Lady could probably give you some tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrkw4Iv0dSs

 

[Brigandier]

Pretend to be Bob Dylan, then profit.

 

[Poulsonator]

Smoking would help.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Crazy Rhubarb Lady could probably give you some tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrkw4Iv0dSs

Holy fuck does that putrefying bag of flesh need some blunt-force trauma to the head.

 

[mmntech]

How do you get that sort of a hoarse quality to your voice? What sort of training does it take? Has anyone taken this form of training here? Is it just a natural quality to their singing voice that some people have?

:whiste:

 

[manimal]

damage to the chords. Ask Kim Carnes how long she could phonate.


Seriously just stab your chords with a knife.

 

[Mixolydian]

smoking has made my voice much deeper. quite a positive side effect, IMO.

 

[Ventanni]

Singing improperly does this.

This simplified. The whole process is a bit more complex than what I'm going to describe, but I hope it's easily understandable. So singing, and speaking for that matter, is the movement of air across the vocal chords, which are about the size of a thumb nail, causing them to vibrate. You then use your tongue, along with your throat, to manipulate the sound into something that can be understood. Easy enough. Now, go back to where I pointed out that the human vocal chords are about the size of your thumb nail. They're pretty small, and the constant vibration and force exerted on them, especially singing, will cause them to break down like just any over-exerted muscle or bone would. The human body then reacts the way it always does to trauma by way of inflammation; walling the area off (which reduces blood flow) and creating scar tissue in the area. The vocal chords will grow thicker in reaction to their traumatic over-use, and eventually a voice such as the individual you linked on YouTube will arise.

That may sound advantageous to you, but it's just not healthy, and is very damaging to the vocal chords. I'm surprised this gentleman can even sing honestly. Part of what vocal training does is to use more than just your vocal chords to produce a tune. Not all of us may enjoy the sound of an opera singer, but we can't deny that they're the ones more re-known for having the more powerful "pipes" in the industry. Vocal training teaches you to use your entire diaphragm, vocal chords, nasal passageways, etc to vibrate in sync while you sing so that the vibration isn't just focused on your vocal chords alone. Sure, the voices like this are often pleasing to the ear, but they're often the end of a musician's career. James Hetfield nearly lost his voice, and career, entirely in 1991 after he blew his vocal chords. He, too, is lucky he can still sing, and we can all agree his voice is nothing compared to what it used to be. Daniel Johns, the lead singer of Silverchair, also used to sing like this, but had to learn an entirely new way of singing after 2003. Kurt Cobain blew his vocal chords about a month before he committed suicide.

Because musicians are required to sing constantly to make a living, very few actually make it singing improperly. Heck, even trained vocalist can blow their vocal chords.

As for this gentleman, well, he's gotten this far. I doubt he's going to change, but I can't help but listen to him and think, yeesh, is it even sustainable?

 

[manimal]

Singing improperly does this.

This simplified. The whole process is a bit more complex than what I'm going to describe, but I hope it's easily understandable. So singing, and speaking for that matter, is the movement of air across the vocal chords, which are about the size of a thumb nail, causing them to vibrate. You then use your tongue, along with your throat, to manipulate the sound into something that can be understood. Easy enough. Now, go back to where I pointed out that the human vocal chords are about the size of your thumb nail. They're pretty small, and the constant vibration and force exerted on them, especially singing, will cause them to break down like just any over-exerted muscle or bone would. The human body then reacts the way it always does to trauma by way of inflammation; walling the area off (which reduces blood flow) and creating scar tissue in the area. The vocal chords will grow thicker in reaction to their traumatic over-use, and eventually a voice such as the individual you linked on YouTube will arise.

That may sound advantageous to you, but it's just not healthy, and is very damaging to the vocal chords. I'm surprised this gentleman can even sing honestly. Part of what vocal training does is to use more than just your vocal chords to produce a tune. Not all of us may enjoy the sound of an opera singer, but we can't deny that they're the ones more re-known for having the more powerful "pipes" in the industry. Vocal training teaches you to use your entire diaphragm, vocal chords, nasal passageways, etc to vibrate in sync while you sing so that the vibration isn't just focused on your vocal chords alone. Sure, the voices like this are often pleasing to the ear, but they're often the end of a musician's career. James Hetfield nearly lost his voice, and career, entirely in 1991 after he blew his vocal chords. He, too, is lucky he can still sing, and we can all agree his voice is nothing compared to what it used to be. Daniel Johns, the lead singer of Silverchair, also used to sing like this, but had to learn an entirely new way of singing after 2003. Kurt Cobain blew his vocal chords about a month before he committed suicide.

Because musicians are required to sing constantly to make a living, very few actually make it singing improperly. Heck, even trained vocalist can blow their vocal chords.

As for this gentleman, well, he's gotten this far. I doubt he's going to change, but I can't help but listen to him and think, yeesh, is it even sustainable?

Ya some people do just have chords of steel but they will always give out. Look at all the major artists that have lost their upper registers from abuse. From Plant to Elton John they all got nodes and all had surgery.


I had many friends with promising careers destroy their voices in a few years.


to have a career that lasts at least ventanni you need good technique!~




Chaliapin was 100 and sounded better than most bassos of today.



Anecdotally I did take a few shots of steroids and performed when I had fatigue induced hoarseness. I know I shouldn't have but it was a business and being unreliable was worse than being bad....