SiS735 vs KT133A w/ PC133

[splice]

Anyone know of a review between the SiS735 and KT133A both using PC133. I have a whole bunch of PC133 that I want to use.

 

[nortexoid]

Orcish is entirely WRONG

check the benchmarks - in all circumstances that i'm aware, the SIS 735 using SDR memory synchronously w/ the FSB yields faster performance than the KT133A

running the 735 asynchronously at, say, 100/133 (fsb/mem) would yield slower performance figures than running it synchronously at 100/100 - which is counter-intuitive but true.

giving orc the benefit of the doubt, he might have viewed benches indicative of the SIS 735 running asynchronously

 

[splice]

<< Orcish is entirely WRONG

check the benchmarks >>



where are the benchmarks at? Any links for me?

 

[nortexoid]

i can't find any right now, but they exist - check the earlier chipset benchmarks here, accelenation, tom's, etc...

but i can assure u, the SIS 735 is the fastest SDR platform available for the athlon...I ASSSSSSUUUURE YOU.

i remember it so clearly, i can almost see the graphs...i was indeed surprised by it, being that the kt133a was the poop when it first came out.

 

[Rand]

The benchmarks I've seen of the SiS735 w/SDRAM show it performing roughly on-par with the KT133A overall. Each of the chipsets won a few benchmarks, but they were consistently within 5% of each other.

 

[InfectedVoice]

Here's a review from Tom's Hardware where he compares a bunch of boards to the K7S5A

Another can be found here

and here's a good site which compares it to the KT133A chipset

 

[gogeeta13]

I run my k7s5a with sdr and it whoops the kt133a, especially since it has no bandwidth limit between NB and SB(they are one chip)

!

 

[splice]

Thanks for the input guys. And thanks for the links InfectedVoice

 

[Pabster]

As others have noted, SDR performance is virtually neck-and-neck between SiS 735 and KT133A. I'd go with SiS 735.

 

[vedin]

Deffinately go with the SIS board. Even if it were a little slower with SDRAM, you can always go to DDRSDRAM later. If you get the K7S5A anyway.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Another vote for the SiS735 since as has been pointed out it is better for upgrading later.

 

[gogeeta13]

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<< Deffinately go with the SIS board. Even if it were a little slower with SDRAM, you can always go to DDRSDRAM later. If you get the K7S5A anyway. >>



Hey dude, have you ever checked the ECS threads at OCworkbench.com? It's even on their front page - the K7S5A doesn't work with each and every DDR module. In fact, it's extremely hard to find one that will not cause you memory errors in memtest86. You can save $40 on the board, but waste double as much swapping DDR modules and buying a new high-quality PSU that board requires. In fact, you will spend more money than buying ASUS A7V266-E and still have countless problems and issues with K7S5A! >>



hmm, let me see. Here is the test I just conducted with people over aim

ECS with crucial-A OK
ecs with mushkin-A OK
ecs with Corsair-A OK
ecs with Samsung generic-A OK



BTW, I run my ecs on a generic 300watt. Rock stable, and fast to boot.

neener neener

 

[Pabster]

Blah.

K7S5A works equally well with SDRAM and DDR of various sizes and makes. I've used everything from the cheapest high-density 512MB modules to Mushkin. Makes no difference. You just can't run SDR and DDR together (Yes, many people try to.)

I'm inclined to agree on the power supply, but the droves of people using cheap 250-300 watt units can't be wrong. Personally, I'm using 400W minimum, no matter the board.

As for memtest86 ... I have no faith in it. I've had machines pass several loops, yet fail instantly in other stress tests. It's mediocre at best.

 

[gogeeta13]

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<< hmm, let me see. Here is the test I just conducted with people over aim >>



You know, no offence meant, but I tend to trust the OCWorkbench staff writer's tests a tiny bit more than the ones you 'just conducted'. >>



good for them. I go by my own expirience.

I coudl care less what memtest says. It kicks out errors on my friends pre-built Micronpc Athlon XP system. It is hokey pokey, I take it's results with a grain of salt

 

[Budman]

<< I still have a lot of predjudice and not brave enough to get an ECS board myself. >>



Then i would suggest you stop putting the ECS K7S5a down since you dont know what the hell you're talking about.

Buy one try it & then you will have an opinion on it.

 

[foofoo]

i've had 2 bad ecs k7s5a motherboards, maybe i can comment...
after my experience, i would never get another k7s5a. it's not worth the headache.
spend a little more and stay away.
my opinion of course.

 

[Mltsao]

<< K7S5A has 15% less bandwidth with SDRAM than ASUS A7V133(-C), for example, and around 10% less when an average KT133A board. KT133A is by means the fastest SDRAM chipset that ever existed. The strengths of K7S5A lie in using DDR memory. >>



put the dope down son.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

ECS' KT133A and KT266A mb are as cheap as its SIS735 mb.
newegg has KTVTA3 Ver 2.0 (KT266A) for $69+8 vs K7S5A for $57+8.

KT133A is out of consideration.
SIS735 or KT266A depends on if you want to buy DDR ram or to use existing PC133 ram.

 

[gogeeta13]

Even though this vast majority(sp?) of this board is techies, I would guess that at least 75% or the problems people had was user error..Especially the people who go through 3 boards. I don't know about any of you guys, but I have never had a 100% failure rate. I have built quite a few systems with the k7s5a, and it has worked great with the occational querk. Anyone who bashes something without trying it, needs to shut their mouth, and that includes the P4 bashers.

Bah.

 

[EMAN]

Sis735 is definitely a good cheap board. It doesn't overclock too well and is actually slower than KT133A when the KT133A does 150fsb.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< Sis735 is definitely a good cheap board. It doesn't overclock too well and is actually slower than KT133A when the KT133A does 150fsb. >>

Perhaps using SDRAM this is an accurate statement, but I've run the K7S5A@146.6FSBx2=293.2mhz with Crucial 2100 DDR@ultra timings,cas2,6,3 and turned out Sandra2001 mem bandwidth 735/916 which I've yet to see a KT133A chipset based board touch

 

[foofoo]

<< I would guess that at least 75% or the problems people had was user error..Especially the people who go through 3 boards. >>


hmmm,
well, the exact components (including case and 350w power supply) that did not work reliably on either of the ecs k7s5a boards are working flawlessly on my ak31a right now. and faster. this is not to say that there are not problems caused by inexperienced users/builders, but there seem to be some prevaling opinions that most all of the problems with this board are due to inexperience or poor power supplies. this is not my experience nor it it the experience of some significant number of my friends.
in any case, splice, good luck with what you choose.

 

[Quixfire]

I have a ECS K7S5A board on my personal machine, and all I can say is it runs excellant on PC133 RAM, but I have the msconfig problem running DDR at 133/133. I really like this board and would recommend it under the application you are requesting. You could even add a 1.0 GHz Duron and keep the cost under 140.00 with shipping. I do recommend running the system at 100/100 instead of 100/133, it does work better this way.

 

[EMAN]

Perhaps using SDRAM this is an accurate statement, but I've run the K7S5A@146.6FSBx2=293.2mhz with Crucial 2100 DDR@ultra timings,cas2,6,3 and turned out Sandra2001 mem bandwidth 735/916 which I've yet to see a KT133A chipset based board touch

Does all K7S5A overclock that high? I wonder... And your synthetic memory score doesn't mean real world performance.

I have a Iwill KK266 that does 163mhz fsb but my memory fails after that. I was talking about average overclockability. KT133A does 150fsb with ease and even higher.

 

[foofoo]

<< but I have the msconfig problem running DDR at 133/133 >>




<< I do recommend running the system at 100/100 instead of 100/133, it does work better this way >>



this is an example of what i was talking about. i could get mine stable at 100 fsb but that severely limits upgradeability and means that the board can not meet it's published specs. this isnt something that i feel comfortable in owning and relying on.
if you want have the possibility of upgrading to ddr ram or any other upgrade later, consider the limitations of what you choose.