Sister purchased car..think she got scammed

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Paperlantern

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Yeah. About that. The difference is that even though she did it with nobody else around, she still did it, and Mr./Mrs. Waggy both decided it would be a stellar idea to come here and ask us our opinions on it - making it clearly evident that they didn't understand the full repercussions of a shared title.. in addition to having to ASK if they were getting scammed for sure.

So yes. They didn't do the act. But by proxy, they're contributing to the continued stupidity of the situation. I'm a little surprised you don't recognize that.

Exactly where is waggy contributing to the "stupidity" of the situation, as you so put it? If anything, the situation is unfortunate, and he's doing his best to sort it out. Hes looked into the cost of the repair and it isn't that bad so it's in his best interest to keep the car. If anyone or anything is stupid, it's you for contributing to the delinquency of the people in this thread. It would be half as long if you stripped out the useless and ridiculous dribble that people like you are spouting off about him making a stupid mistake, which HE didnt make and was powerless to prevent, but is doing his best to clean up.
 

LTC8K6

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It also seemed to me that waggy did not understand how odd the transaction was...which is why I kept bringing it up...

Bad info seemed to be revealed in drips..."throw away the sales slip"..."both names on the title"...etc.
 

waggy

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It also seemed to me that waggy did not understand how odd the transaction was...which is why I kept bringing it up...

Bad info seemed to be revealed in drips..."throw away the sales slip"..."both names on the title"...etc.

you seem confused. when i first went he mentioned the title and wouldn't let me drive it. he said there was no insurance on it. wich is fine i have full coverage..

i told my SIL lets go home and think about it. on the way home i mentioned how bad a idea the car is. But since she is 17 (be 18 in a month) what i had to say really didn't matter.

then he went into the resturant she works and told her that if she wanted it she had to move on it now..and she did.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
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you seem confused. when i first went he mentioned the title and wouldn't let me drive it. he said there was no insurance on it. wich is fine i have full coverage..

i told my SIL lets go home and think about it. on the way home i mentioned how bad a idea the car is. But since she is 17 (be 18 in a month) what i had to say really didn't matter.

then he went into the resturant she works and told her that if she wanted it she had to move on it now..and she did.

I understood all of that the first time. None of that changes anything I was concerned about.
 

kalrith

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Don't ever buy a used car without running a carfax and letting a trusted mechanic look at it. Everyone (except SILs) knows this.
 

billw

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read this:

http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=2638

The following question was submitted to John Roska, an attorney/writer whose weekly newspaper column, "Q&A: The Law," runs in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Illinois Edition) and the Champaign News Gazette.

Question
My son signed a contract to buy a car when he was 17 years old. The car broke down when he got it home, so he returned it to the dealer and stopped paying. Now, the dealer is suing him for the rest of the money owed on the contract. Isn’t it illegal to sell a car to a minor? What can my son do?

Answer
It’s “legal” to sell a car to a minor, in the sense that nobody can go to jail or get fined for it. It’s not against any criminal law. But contracts with minors are unenforceable. That means your son has a defense, which should defeat the car dealer’s case against him.

It’s a basic legal principle that minors don’t have the legal capacity to enter into contracts. The basic idea is to protect young people from themselves, and from those who might take advantage of them. The law therefore presumes that people under 18 simply don’t know enough to be held legally liable on contracts. It doesn’t matter how bright or capable a minor may actually be; minors are legally incompetent if they’re under 18.

Technically speaking, though, contracts with minors are “voidable.” That means the contract is valid until something is done to void it. A minor can void a contract at any time, for any or no reason. He just has to tell the other party that he’s canceling the contract. He has to return whatever he got, and whatever he gave should be returned to him. That means your son is entitled to a refund of what he paid on the car.

If someone turns 18 after signing a contract, that person can still cancel within a reasonable period of time of turning 18. If she doesn’t, she’s considered to have “ratified” the contract after becoming legally competent. It’s not clear how long a reasonable period of time to cancel is, but it’s probably not much longer than several months.

There’s one exception to the basic principle that minors aren’t liable on contracts, but it shouldn’t affect your son’s case. Minors can be held liable on contracts for “necessaries.” Those are basics, like food, shelter (including utilities), and clothing. Court cases generally say that cars aren’t necessaries.

Your son can prove his age with a certified copy of his birth certificate. He’ll have to raise the defense of minority himself, since the judge won’t dig that out for him.
 
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