Six Muslim imams removed from U.S. airliner

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tvarad
BoberFett writes:

"I'm more curious whether they see the bogeyman when they look under their bed. "

Look. I know that for muslims, flying planes into buildings where thousands of people work is just another day at the office, but for us normal people it is still a cathartic experience. Yes, even five years later.

Do you still fear Japanese people as well? It's only been 70 years since Pearl Harbor.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: tvarad
BoberFett writes:

"I'm more curious whether they see the bogeyman when they look under their bed. "

Look. I know that for muslims, flying planes into buildings where thousands of people work is just another day at the office, but for us normal people it is still a cathartic experience. Yes, even five years later.

Do you still fear Japanese people as well? It's only been 70 years since Pearl Harbor.

The Japanese haven't attacked anyone in 60 years. Muslims are killing people right now.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: Rainsford

No, you know more about certain events cherry-picked to prove a certain political point. You don't know any more about the big picture of Islam than someone who's read the history of the KKK really understand the southern United States. The worst part is that not only are you people ignorant, but that you are INTENTIONLLY keeping yourselves ignorant because it's easier to hate some cartoonish view of Islam than to really try and understand.

so what is the "big picture of Islam" you are trying to tell me? are you implying that I will have to convert myself into a muslim to understand islam?

don't feed me with your political correct bs.

You don't know jack about Islam. All you know is a book you read about it and the views of the author who wrote it. Yeah, big suprise, people do have agendas. You are probably a twenty something year old tucknucker who can't even grow a piijii and can't express his political views without refering to 72 virginis and hijacking a plane.

Grow up Mr. 10000 posts.

 

[tvarad]

BoberFett:

"Do you still fear Japanese people as well? It's only been 70 years since Pearl Harbor."

No. Because Japanese reactionism and it's threat to world peace was decisively put down in 1945. If we compare that fight to the one being waged against reactionary Islam that's causing so much mayhem around the world today, we're yet to declare war.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The Japanese haven't attacked anyone in 60 years. Muslims are killing people right now.

Really? All of them? I ran into some Muslims last night at the grocery store, I guess I should be thankful I escaped with my life.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tvarad

BoberFett:

"Do you still fear Japanese people as well? It's only been 70 years since Pearl Harbor."

No. Because Japanese reactionism and it's threat to world peace was decisively put down in 1945. If we compare that fight to the one being waged against reactionary Islam that's causing so much mayhem around the world today, we're yet to declare war.

I see, so you probably support the US and it's use of detention camps for Japanese people during WWII. Should we round up Muslims and put them in camps? If they can't be trusted to fly on a plane, we really can't trust them at all and should probably have them all behind chicken wire.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about your point of view.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: tvarad

BoberFett:

"Do you still fear Japanese people as well? It's only been 70 years since Pearl Harbor."

No. Because Japanese reactionism and it's threat to world peace was decisively put down in 1945. If we compare that fight to the one being waged against reactionary Islam that's causing so much mayhem around the world today, we're yet to declare war.

I see, so you probably support the US and it's use of detention camps for Japanese people during WWII. Should we round up Muslims and put them in camps? If they can't be trusted to fly on a plane, we really can't trust them at all and should probably have them all behind chicken wire.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about your point of view.

You talk as if only muslims who act suspiciously have been removed from planes. They've removed all sorts.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The Japanese haven't attacked anyone in 60 years. Muslims are killing people right now.

Really? All of them? I ran into some Muslims last night at the grocery store, I guess I should be thankful I escaped with my life.

Are you in the US? They haven't resorted to that kind of violence here...yet.

But dont be surprised when some of the crap thats been going on in Europe starts to happen here as well.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You talk as if only muslims who act suspiciously have been removed from planes. They've removed all sorts.

Is that supposed to be a good thing? So you do support the idea of internment camps. Just want to be sure.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The Japanese haven't attacked anyone in 60 years. Muslims are killing people right now.

Really? All of them? I ran into some Muslims last night at the grocery store, I guess I should be thankful I escaped with my life.

Are you in the US? They haven't resorted to that kind of violence here...yet.

But dont be surprised when some of the crap thats been going on in Europe starts to happen here as well.

Wow, talk about paranoid.

LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU IT'S A MUSLIM!!!!!

Hahahahahah! Gotcha.

 

[tvarad]

BoberFett:

"I see, so you probably support the US and it's use of detention camps for Japanese people during WWII. Should we round up Muslims and put them in camps? If they can't be trusted to fly on a plane, we really can't trust them at all and should probably have them all behind chicken wire.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about your point of view."

If a bunch of Japanese had initiated Kamikaze attacks in the U.S. that killed 3000+ civilians during WWII, I would certainly have supported such camps.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tvarad
BoberFett:

"I see, so you probably support the US and it's use of detention camps for Japanese people during WWII. Should we round up Muslims and put them in camps? If they can't be trusted to fly on a plane, we really can't trust them at all and should probably have them all behind chicken wire.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about your point of view."

If a bunch of Japanese had initiated Kamikaze attacks in the U.S. that killed 3000+ civilians during WWII, I would certainly have supported such camps.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[tvarad]

BoberFett:

"Wow. Just wow."

Instead of blithely comparing muslims to every oppressed people on earth, you did a little introspection as to why muslims are fast becoming persona non-grata in the civilized world, you wouldn't be so speechless.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The Japanese haven't attacked anyone in 60 years. Muslims are killing people right now.

Really? All of them? I ran into some Muslims last night at the grocery store, I guess I should be thankful I escaped with my life.

Are you in the US? They haven't resorted to that kind of violence here...yet.

But dont be surprised when some of the crap thats been going on in Europe starts to happen here as well.

Wow, talk about paranoid.

LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU IT'S A MUSLIM!!!!!

Hahahahahah! Gotcha.

If you were a christian in the Sudan, you would be saying that.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You talk as if only muslims who act suspiciously have been removed from planes. They've removed all sorts.

Is that supposed to be a good thing? So you do support the idea of internment camps. Just want to be sure.

Someone like you is first in line to blame Bush for not doing enough to stop 9/11.

Then when suspicious activity is reported, and remember its the airlines that decide to have someone(s) removed, you complain about discrimination.

My guess is the ratio of muslims flown to muslims detained is quite low.

 

[tvarad]

GoPackGo

When the rest of us are actively conscious of the changed scenario at airports and boarding flights and have adjusted accordingly, it is in the nature of muslims to pretend otherwise.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You talk as if only muslims who act suspiciously have been removed from planes. They've removed all sorts.

Is that supposed to be a good thing? So you do support the idea of internment camps. Just want to be sure.

Someone like you is first in line to blame Bush for not doing enough to stop 9/11.

Then when suspicious activity is reported, and remember its the airlines that decide to have someone(s) removed, you complain about discrimination.

My guess is the ratio of muslims flown to muslims detained is quite low.

If you think "someone like me" blames Bush for 9/11, you've proven you know nothing about me and are nothing more than a rambling idiot.

 

[Doboji]

The extent of my prejudice against Muslims:

I assume when I meet a muslim from the United States... that they are likely sympathetic to the "plight" of the Palestinians, and they are not sympathetic to the "plight" of the Israelis. I suspect that if we were to get into a deep conversation they would believe at best that suicide bombings are an understandable act of desperation, and at worst a justifiable military weapon. I also assume that when examining situations like Iraq, they view the United States as the enemy... I find this very bothersome... these are just assumptions, so I always put these down... and ignore them... and wait til I have actually gotten to know the person before I draw my conclusions... but I have found that 99/100 times my initial assumptions were correct.

I assume when I meet a muslim from outside the US(europe), that they likely view the United States as an enemy, and possibly even think of the US as a terrorist state. While they themselves do not directly support terrorism, they feel at best that it is an understandable act of desperation, and at worst they feel it is a justifiable military weapon against an evil foe(the United States).

Of course it is wrong to judge an individual by prejudiced assumptions... and I don't... I wait for a person to show what they believe before I draw my conclusions. But only a fool can't see that there is an OBVIOUS cultural/political/religious rift between the Muslim and Western world... split very clearly on the line between Muslim and non-Muslim. We can play the PC game as long as we want... pretent that this rift doesnt exist... pretend that by looking at Muslims on a plane as different than non-muslims is somehow discriminatory, or racist... but the reality is, that their "muslim" identity, and our "non-muslim" identity is the crux of the rift, and SHOULD be dealt with suspiciously.

It is not enough to say well only a small number of Muslims partake in terrorism... this is true there's probably no more than 10-20 million Muslims actively involved in terrorism on some level... thats a mere 1% of the Muslim population... but how many muslims support this 1% financially?... more than you'd think... how many muslims support these terrorists emotionally the same way we support our troops? more than you'd think.

Don't believe me?... go pick up a muslim newspaper from your local community, and get yourself a translator... you can see pretty quickly where the allegiances fall.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: Doboji
The extent of my prejudice against Muslims:

I assume when I meet a muslim from the United States... that they are likely sympathetic to the "plight" of the Palestinians, and they are not sympathetic to the "plight" of the Israelis. I suspect that if we were to get into a deep conversation they would believe at best that suicide bombings are an understandable act of desperation, and at worst a justifiable military weapon. I also assume that when examining situations like Iraq, they view the United States as the enemy... I find this very bothersome... these are just assumptions, so I always put these down... and ignore them... and wait til I have actually gotten to know the person before I draw my conclusions... but I have found that 99/100 times my initial assumptions were correct.

I assume when I meet a muslim from outside the US(europe), that they likely view the United States as an enemy, and possibly even think of the US as a terrorist state. While they themselves do not directly support terrorism, they feel at best that it is an understandable act of desperation, and at worst they feel it is a justifiable military weapon against an evil foe(the United States).

Of course it is wrong to judge an individual by prejudiced assumptions... and I don't... I wait for a person to show what they believe before I draw my conclusions. But only a fool can't see that there is an OBVIOUS cultural/political/religious rift between the Muslim and Western world... split very clearly on the line between Muslim and non-Muslim. We can play the PC game as long as we want... pretent that this rift doesnt exist... pretend that by looking at Muslims on a plane as different than non-muslims is somehow discriminatory, or racist... but the reality is, that their "muslim" identity, and our "non-muslim" identity is the crux of the rift, and SHOULD be dealt with suspiciously.

It is not enough to say well only a small number of Muslims partake in terrorism... this is true there's probably no more than 10-20 million Muslims actively involved in terrorism on some level... thats a mere 1% of the Muslim population... but how many muslims support this 1% financially?... more than you'd think... how many muslims support these terrorists emotionally the same way we support our troops? more than you'd think.

Don't believe me?... go pick up a muslim newspaper from your local community, and get yourself a translator... you can see pretty quickly where the allegiances fall.

Go get a reality pill and swallow it with Bushjuice if you really believe that 10-20 million Muslims are actively involved in terrorism.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: forfor
Go get a reality pill and swallow it with Bushjuice if you really believe that 10-20 million Muslims are actively involved in terrorism.

If they had those kind of numbers, we'd all already be dead. But don't expect logic from rabid freedom fry eaters.

 

[imported_dna]

Omar Shahin, spokesman for 6 imams removed from flight, doubted Muslims were behind 9/11 and admitted ties to Osama

.... although I doubt that these kind of fellas would actually carry an attack -- they are more likely to "delegate" that sort of activity to one of their underlings.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: dna
Omar Shahin, spokesman for 6 imams removed from flight, doubted Muslims were behind 9/11 and admitted ties to Osama

.... although I doubt that these kind of fellas would actually carry an attack -- they are more likely to "delegate" that sort of activity to one of their underlings.

Coming from a site called Jihadwatch.com... :roll:

 

[imported_dna]

Are you part of the Aimster-cult, for whom only the BBC counts as a valid source?

 

[Red Dawn]

Muslim Fundies make the Christian Fundies look like Girls Scouts. Both suck and the world would be better off without either.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Doboji
The extent of my prejudice against Muslims:

I assume when I meet a muslim from the United States... that they are likely sympathetic to the "plight" of the Palestinians, and they are not sympathetic to the "plight" of the Israelis... <snip>

And so it goes without saying that you find it equally troubling, of course, if a jew from the United states is only sympathetic to the "plight" of the Israelis and not to the "plight" of the Palestinians... right?

Of course it is wrong to judge an individual by prejudiced assumptions... and I don't... I wait for a person to show what they believe before I draw my conclusions.

Uh huh...

But only a fool can't see that there is an OBVIOUS cultural/political/religious rift between the Muslim and Western world... split very clearly on the line between Muslim and non-Muslim. We can play the PC game as long as we want... pretent that this rift doesnt exist... pretend that by looking at Muslims on a plane as different than non-muslims is somehow discriminatory, or racist... but the reality is, that their "muslim" identity, and our "non-muslim" identity is the crux of the rift, and SHOULD be dealt with suspiciously.

Well thank goodness you don't judge any individuals by "prejudiced assumptions."

It is not enough to say well only a small number of Muslims partake in terrorism... this is true there's probably no more than 10-20 million Muslims actively involved in terrorism on some level... thats a mere 1% of the Muslim population... but how many muslims support this 1% financially?... more than you'd think... how many muslims support these terrorists emotionally the same way we support our troops? more than you'd think.

So based on your statistics, 20 million muslims are terrorists and a good chunk of the other 1.2 billion are terrorist sympathizers. Gotcha.

Do you consider Tim Mcveigh a "christian terrorist?" How about Baruch Goldstein? Was he a "jewish terrorist?" Or were they just nutjobs who happened to be of those faiths? How about the fact that former prime ministers of Israel, Yitzhak Shamir and Menachim Begin, had previously been leaders of terrorist organizations and that Ariel Sharon had been found guilty of war crimes by an Israeli court? Is it safe to assume that you find those as troubling as, say, Hamas and Hezbollah being elected to represent Palestinians and Lebanese? Are those also evidence of "more [people] than you'd think" supporting "jewish terrorism?"

How about the facts that David Duke was elected to the Louisiana State Senate and got 44% of the vote when he ran for Senate in 1990? Does that not demonstrate a hotbed of terrorist sympathizers in Louisiana?

Don't believe me?... go pick up a muslim newspaper from your local community, and get yourself a translator... you can see pretty quickly where the allegiances fall.

A "muslim newspaper?" I'm curious... what do you consider a "muslim newspaper?" Would its analogue be, say, the Christian Science Monitor or the New York Times for "christian newspapers?" Haaretz and Jerusalem Times for "jewish newspapers? and so on? More importantly, if I find a story in any US newspaper or any christian or jewish newspaper that puts anything else above loyalty to the US, do I get to declare all adherents of the faith to be universally in line with that ideology?

The issue as it pertains to your clearly unbiased and unprejudiced assessments, Doboji, is not your dislike of people who are muslim and who are terrorists; it's your inability to separate the one from the other. If a muslim does something you dislike, it says something about islam, whereas if a jew or christian or buddhist or whatever does something you dislike, I'll wager, you're better able to separate the religion from the deed. And you have a right to be prejudiced, by the way. But quit kidding yourself that your assessments are in any way unbiased and free of "prejudiced assumptions" because they're not... and neither are many other people's.