Slavery still affects black people in america

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
A lot of times I hear people say that slavery happened a long time ago why bring it up now? I also hear some people say that slavery does'nt affect anyone living today. I used to get angry when I heard statements like that but now I realize that people just need to be better informed about slavery in america and its far reaching effects.

Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

2. During slavery slaves received minimal to no education, therefore when these people were eventually freed little emphasis was placed on acheiving higher learning if any at all.

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

5. Economically black people have suffered because of slavery. Many blacks in the US who have slaves ancestors can trace them back in 3 or 4 generations. (my grandmother's grandmother was a slave) And while this does'nt appear to be much of a factor think about americans who have 3 or 4 generations in this country. Thats 3 or 4 generations of family who've had the opportunity to attend college, build businesses, pass down family fortunes, etc.

I don't offer these explanations as an excuse for crime in the black community nor do these explanations give any black person the right to display racist attitudes towards whites. However I think people should have a clearer understanding of how slavery affects people today.

-#1 needs more explaination.
-I'm not sure that #2 applies because most people didn't get much emphasis placed on college. Back then college was only for the wealthy, which most people aren't.
-I think that #3 is genetic. Wanting to have families is a human characteristic. JMO.
-People have always hated others.
-As far as number 5, 3 or 4 generations ago, my family was dirt poor. No one in my family has been in college before my generation, we've never had businesses, and no one in my family is anything close to rich.

Your post is interesting, and I wonder how long this can go on without someone jumping in here and flaming everyone.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
life is what you make of it

Aye.

That is in a single phrase, is the most beautiful aspect of America. It is a place where the above remains true for most everyone.

 

[CanOWorms]

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

Ummm... more than blacks experience racism.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: hysperion

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

Ridiculous. What about the fact that half of black babies are born out of wedlock. Does that have to say something about strong families? Or is slavery 150+ years ago responsible for that too?

Slavery existed 150+ years ago. Where do we draw the line? I'm Irish and at one time they were persecuted but you don't see me complaining about it.

Quit throwing out racist flamebait. There are enough African Americans that I know personally who are all around great people who work hard and are successful- that these excuses for the group of negroes who haven't made anything of themselves are unfounded and baseless.

Agreed. The past is only a yoke for as long as one wears it.

 

[Arkitech]

For those who have taken this post out of context I urge you to at least read this reply.


Slavery is not an excuse for blacks today who choose not to try and make something of themselves. Thats not the intention of this post. The purpose of this thread is to make it clear that slavery although many years ago does indeed affect black people in this country.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

Slavery is NOT the reason why they're poor and uneducated. African Americans drop out on their own, whether it's the lack of motivation or a preference to enter the workforce early.

Are you aware of how much financial support African Americans get for college? Way more than Caucasians and way more than Asians. Don't you ever wonder why many blacks in America get such a bad reputation? It's because they blame the world for all their problems. They feel like the world owes them something when in reality, the world owes them NOTHING. Racism is there and will always be there, whether you're Persian, Caucasian, Asian, German, French, etc. If you think Americans are racist, try going overseas. You haven't seen half of what the world has to offer when it comes to racism.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
For those who have taken this post out of context I urge you to at least read this reply.


Slavery is not an excuse for blacks today who choose not to try and make something of themselves. Thats not the intention of this post. The purpose of this thread is to make it clear that slavery although many years ago does indeed affect black people in this country.

Yeah, it does, just like every other event in American history affects every other ethnic group out there. Singling out one particular event and one particular group, no matter how grievous it might have been, only ends up further isolating the group in question.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
For those who have taken this post out of context I urge you to at least read this reply.


Slavery is not an excuse for blacks today who choose not to try and make something of themselves. Thats not the intention of this post. The purpose of this thread is to make it clear that slavery although many years ago does indeed affect black people in this country.

Yeah, and the incident where Paco killed el Presidente Roberto Flores in 1854 still affects Mexicans.

What's your point other than to offer excusesfor the black community?

 

[BannedTroll]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
For those who have taken this post out of context I urge you to at least read this reply.


Slavery is not an excuse for blacks today who choose not to try and make something of themselves. Thats not the intention of this post. The purpose of this thread is to make it clear that slavery although many years ago does indeed affect black people in this country.

Again only if they let it.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
For those who have taken this post out of context I urge you to at least read this reply.


Slavery is not an excuse for blacks today who choose not to try and make something of themselves. Thats not the intention of this post. The purpose of this thread is to make it clear that slavery although many years ago does indeed affect black people in this country.

Obviously it does affect black people in this country. It is a cop-out excuse for them.

"I didn't make something out of myself even though I live in one of the most race-respecting countries in the world. It must be because my grandma's- grandma was a slave. "

This isn't meant to be funny but I don't even know who my grandma's-grandma is, that's one generation past my knowledge.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh, BULLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIT.

From one person 'hated' for skin colour to another, suck it up you whiny beotch. I mean, WTF? How does the Civil War still affect America? We barely have any World War I veterans left alive, let alone people from the 1850s. Segregation was done away with almost a half century ago.

Your clear understanding is a copout for black people, a reason on which to hang their reasons for not succeeding. I'm not saying all black people do this, or you do this yourself, but WTF man. It's a new century, come on down and join the rest of us.

How does the Civil War still affect america? Come on man, read your history. The Civil War was the birth of major changes in this country.


My reasons are not a copout for black people. Many black people who don't succeed today have themselves to blame, however I'm not naive enough to believe that slavery has not had far reaching results down to this day.

Bill Cosby said it best...Blacks are making their own bed nowadays. When Allen Iverson, Latrell the Choker Sprewell and P Diddy stop being worshiped and people like Bob Johnson, Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice and Clarence Thomas stop being called Uncle Toms simply because they made it without playing a sport, is when things might start to balance out.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: hysperion

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

Ridiculous. What about the fact that half of black babies are born out of wedlock. Does that have to say something about strong families? Or is slavery 150+ years ago responsible for that too?

Slavery existed 150+ years ago. Where do we draw the line? I'm Irish and at one time they were persecuted but you don't see me complaining about it.

Quit throwing out racist flamebait. There are enough African Americans that I know personally who are all around great people who work hard and are successful- that these excuses for the group of negroes who haven't made anything of themselves are unfounded and baseless.

Please tell me where once I stated that this post was an excuse for black people who don't want to work hard. Again thats not the point of this discussion. Any person can make a better future for themselves if they work at it, however that does'nt mean that past history does'nt affect them. Thats the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: Arkitech
If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

Slavery is NOT the reason why they're poor and uneducated. African Americans drop out on their own, whether it's the lack of motivation or a preference to enter the workforce early.

Are you aware of how much financial support African Americans get for college? Way more than Caucasians and way more than Asians. Don't you ever wonder why many blacks in America get such a bad reputation? It's because they blame the world for all their problems. Howard> Or maybe because they've seen the statistics on imprisonment with respect to race. They feel like the world owes them something when in reality, the world owes them NOTHING. Racism is there and will always be there, whether you're Persian, Caucasian, Asian, German, French, etc. If you think Americans are racist, try going overseas. You haven't seen half of what the world has to offer when it comes to racism.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: yllus
Oh, BULLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIT.

From one person 'hated' for skin colour to another, suck it up you whiny beotch. I mean, WTF? How does the Civil War still affect America? We barely have any World War I veterans left alive, let alone people from the 1850s. Segregation was done away with almost a half century ago.

Your clear understanding is a copout for black people, a reason on which to hang their reasons for not succeeding. I'm not saying all black people do this, or you do this yourself, but WTF man. It's a new century, come on down and join the rest of us.

How does the Civil War still affect america? Come on man, read your history. The Civil War was the birth of major changes in this country.

My reasons are not a copout for black people. Many black people who don't succeed today have themselves to blame, however I'm not naive enough to believe that slavery has not had far reaching results down to this day.

Your bolded reason said nothing. Try harder.

The Civil War wasn't about slavery. It was about sectionalism first and foremost, with the economies in the North and South differing enough that there were two distinct political entities in the country that tore it apart. Anyone who's spent more than a single day seriously researching the topic knows that.

Before you spout off about educating people on history, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[petejk]

back then...Chinese coolie (slaves) were sent to British Guana, Trinidad and Jamaica

you don't see chinese people complaining etc....
how it affected them.....

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
[Bill Cosby said it best...Blacks are making their own bed nowadays. When Allen Iverson, Latrell the Choker Sprewell and P Diddy stop being worshiped and people like Bob Johnson, Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice and Clarence Thomas stop being called Uncle Toms simply because they made it without playing a sport, is when things might start to balance out.

Quoted for TRUTH

 

[erikistired]

Before you spout off about educating people on history, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.

it's hilarious when a canadian knows more about our country's history than an american.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: Arkitech
If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

Slavery is NOT the reason why they're poor and uneducated. African Americans drop out on their own, whether it's the lack of motivation or a preference to enter the workforce early.

Are you aware of how much financial support African Americans get for college? Way more than Caucasians and way more than Asians. Don't you ever wonder why many blacks in America get such a bad reputation? It's because they blame the world for all their problems. Howard> Or maybe because they've seen the statistics on imprisonment with respect to race. They feel like the world owes them something when in reality, the world owes them NOTHING. Racism is there and will always be there, whether you're Persian, Caucasian, Asian, German, French, etc. If you think Americans are racist, try going overseas. You haven't seen half of what the world has to offer when it comes to racism.

Generalizing statements such as these against an entire race of people is counterproductive. Statistics on imprisonment don't say much, and that's one argument I can't stand.

 

[Viper GTS]

While I will concede that it is possible that some of these events/social conditions may have effects spanning multiple generations, the effect on any CURRENT generation should be virtually negligible.

Combine that with AA & everything it entails, & IMO you have no reason to bitch.

I would really expect better out of you Arkitech, what's gotten into you tonight?

Viper GTS

 

[BigJ]

Live in the present, never forget the past. Simple as that.

 

[Ronstang]

I haven't read a damn post in this thread but I will simply say that the only reason slavery still affects Blacks today is because for most of them it is their "Holy Grail" to turn to as the reason why they cannot succed almost 150 years after it's abolishment.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: hysperion

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

Ridiculous. What about the fact that half of black babies are born out of wedlock. Does that have to say something about strong families? Or is slavery 150+ years ago responsible for that too?

Slavery existed 150+ years ago. Where do we draw the line? I'm Irish and at one time they were persecuted but you don't see me complaining about it.

Quit throwing out racist flamebait. There are enough African Americans that I know personally who are all around great people who work hard and are successful- that these excuses for the group of negroes who haven't made anything of themselves are unfounded and baseless.

Please tell me where once I stated that this post was an excuse for black people who don't want to work hard. Again thats not the point of this discussion. Any person can make a better future for themselves if they work at it, however that does'nt mean that past history does'nt affect them. Thats the point I'm trying to make.

Any person can make a better future for themselves if they work at it, however that does'nt mean that past history does'nt affect them.

Doesn't mean it does.......which is the point you're trying to make.

 

[Goosemaster]

A legitimate grievance would be along the lines of ...


Slavery, in an of itself, proves to be the archetype for a dismal and mentally troubled populous to do the struggles of trying to achieve an equality between former master and slave as neighbors in the same community.This archetype is what America has gone far to destroy Even then, the civil war was fought in 1865ish, so basically all of the salves have died, if not most of their children. The above usually applies to the slaves and their children who lived through slavery.

If anything, I attribute the situation of many blacks to pride. If you look at their ancestors in Africa, they are truely a proud culture. With the recession and eventual cessesion of slavery, many many centuries of black disrespect began to diminish. With this pride eventualyl returned in the form of such wonderful champions for the black community such as the late Dr. King. In the end though, the Black community is still dealing with pride. With their eventual entrance as equal citizens in the United States, they must adjust to being proud and yet fitting in.

I would say the same of hispanics. It is common to see crowds of "proud" hispanics that create a ruckess in the Western part of the US were they vasty outnumber other cultures. In such an enviroment, the disrespect they face has led to an influx of pride-via-communion and a vast majority, that they simply do not bother to control it and it creates problems.

Overall, every culture faces this problem and it jsut spills over for each at different times. That, and people seem to be concentrating on blacks. Every culture is somewhat equal in this respect, but simply judged less because slavery brough black into the public eye, and all that attention ahs turned into scrutiny as it would with any issue if kept i nthe limelight long enough

In conclusion, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT I WILL EVEN ATTEMPT TO DEFEND THIS. I was just bloggin' and this came to mind.

l8tr.

 

[Arkitech]

sigh


why does everyone choose to misunderstand what I'm saying?

1. Its possible that almost every black person in america has an opportunity to better themselves if they choose to

2. Slavery and racism is NOT an excuse for irresponsible behavior or lack of effort


However just like the Holocaust, slavery has had far reaching effects. Is that such a wrong statement to make?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: Arkitech
If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

Slavery is NOT the reason why they're poor and uneducated. African Americans drop out on their own, whether it's the lack of motivation or a preference to enter the workforce early.

Are you aware of how much financial support African Americans get for college? Way more than Caucasians and way more than Asians. Don't you ever wonder why many blacks in America get such a bad reputation? It's because they blame the world for all their problems. Howard> Or maybe because they've seen the statistics on imprisonment with respect to race. They feel like the world owes them something when in reality, the world owes them NOTHING. Racism is there and will always be there, whether you're Persian, Caucasian, Asian, German, French, etc. If you think Americans are racist, try going overseas. You haven't seen half of what the world has to offer when it comes to racism.

Generalizing statements such as these against an entire race of people is counterproductive. Statistics on imprisonment don't say much, and that's one argument I can't stand.

How was I generalizing?