Sleek New Chinese Fighter

[strummer]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Arcada

Originally posted by: sandorski
China's Military Investments may not make them equals with the US, but they certainly make them a less attractive Target(not that the US has them in their sights). Even if all China wants is Asian Domination(Politically speaking) they still need to discourage the US from "meddling", so they need a Military that can at least Defend against a US attack.

they are biding their time till all our manufacturing is gone.

then they'll finally crush us economically by calling up our loans, and taking over all american owned factories in china and placing them under chinese gov't control.

the USA is done, that easy.

and lose their largest customer?

We give them IOU's they give us goods. They don't need IOU's to feed their people and they don't need IOU's to build weapon systems.

What does it matter to them if in an instant, all their US paper became worthless? It wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as us.

I nearly p1ssed myself when some naive conservative on some board said we could, if it got too big, just default on what we owe China. That would be America's "Rome is Burning" moment. Just imagine going to Walmart and finding empty shelves. Finding people fighting over the last toothbrush on the rack. Plus whatever civil unrest an economic calamity might introduce in China, it can easily be handled by a military of their size, especially when they don't mind getting their hands dirty. Think you could say the same about the US? An economic catastrophe on that scale would endanger the republic. By the way - a bunch of other western and European economies would follow ours right downt the old sh1tter.

So what I'm really getting at is this - We need China, much more than they need us. At some point in the future, we will need their financing so much, that we won't be able to stop them from taking back Taiwan if they really want to.

Our trade imbalance is a huge structural problem and no one really seems to care. The trade deficit is a much bigger threat to America's long term security than Saddam Hussein ever was.

 

[Cruise51]

Originally posted by: Lothar
F-22 has a smaller radar cross section than a bird.
How will the S-300 tell the difference between a bird and an F-22?

bird...... 35mph
F-22...... 1,600mph

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Cruise51

Originally posted by: Lothar
F-22 has a smaller radar cross section than a bird.
How will the S-300 tell the difference between a bird and an F-22?

bird...... 35mph
F-22...... 1,600mph

Peregrine Falcon...242.3mph
F-22....1,140mph
Yeah, I got the point already.

"Maximum" speed of a B-2 stealth bomber is 475 mph...
Not so hard to imagine a B-2 "cruising" at 242.3mph

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: strummer


We give them IOU's they give us goods. They don't need IOU's to feed their people and they don't need IOU's to build weapon systems.

What does it matter to them if in an instant, all their US paper became worthless? It wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as us.

I nearly p1ssed myself when some naive conservative on some board said we could, if it got too big, just default on what we owe China. That would be America's "Rome is Burning" moment. Just imagine going to Walmart and finding empty shelves. Finding people fighting over the last toothbrush on the rack. Plus whatever civil unrest an economic calamity might introduce in China, it can easily be handled by a military of their size, especially when they don't mind getting their hands dirty. Think you could say the same about the US? An economic catastrophe on that scale would endanger the republic. By the way - a bunch of other western and European economies would follow ours right downt the old sh1tter.

So what I'm really getting at is this - We need China, much more than they need us. At some point in the future, we will need their financing so much, that we won't be able to stop them from taking back Taiwan if they really want to.

Our trade imbalance is a huge structural problem and no one really seems to care. The trade deficit is a much bigger threat to America's long term security than Saddam Hussein ever was.

The USA has survived before China.. and it will survive after china. The USA is selfsufficient and can feed its own rather easily. It is afterall one of the biggest exporters of food. The supermarket to the world.

China is not a great exporter of food. IIRC, at times they had to import foods because of drought, diseases, etc..

Without China, the US would be deprived of cheaply made plastic toys and electronics.... but life will move on...

If USA money became worthless, all the Chinese who worked day and night for 20 cent an hr will be extremely upset because the time they spent working would effectively have been lost.. it would have been like free labor; almost a form of slavery.. slaves are not paid for their work...

If to the world, the US dollar is worthless, it doesn't matter since the US can live without the rest of the world... as stated before.. it is self sufficient.

 

[strummer]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: strummer


We give them IOU's they give us goods. They don't need IOU's to feed their people and they don't need IOU's to build weapon systems.

What does it matter to them if in an instant, all their US paper became worthless? It wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as us.

I nearly p1ssed myself when some naive conservative on some board said we could, if it got too big, just default on what we owe China. That would be America's "Rome is Burning" moment. Just imagine going to Walmart and finding empty shelves. Finding people fighting over the last toothbrush on the rack. Plus whatever civil unrest an economic calamity might introduce in China, it can easily be handled by a military of their size, especially when they don't mind getting their hands dirty. Think you could say the same about the US? An economic catastrophe on that scale would endanger the republic. By the way - a bunch of other western and European economies would follow ours right downt the old sh1tter.

So what I'm really getting at is this - We need China, much more than they need us. At some point in the future, we will need their financing so much, that we won't be able to stop them from taking back Taiwan if they really want to.

Our trade imbalance is a huge structural problem and no one really seems to care. The trade deficit is a much bigger threat to America's long term security than Saddam Hussein ever was.

The USA has survived before China.. and it will survive after china. The USA is selfsufficient and can feed its own rather easily. It is afterall one of the biggest exporters of food. The supermarket to the world.

China is not a great exporter of food. IIRC, at times they had to import foods because of drought, diseases, etc..

Without China, the US would be deprived of cheaply made plastic toys and electronics.... but life will move on...

If USA money became worthless, all the Chinese who worked day and night for 20 cent an hr will be extremely upset because the time they spent working would effectively have been lost.. it would have been like free labor; almost a form of slavery.. slaves are not paid for their work...

If to the world, the US dollar is worthless, it doesn't matter since the US can live without the rest of the world... as stated before.. it is self sufficient.

First - the Chinese laborer who works for 20 cents an hour could care less whether the US defaulted on their debt to their mother China. It means nothing, absolutely nothing, to them.

The rest of your post can be summed up pretty much with -- "Yay, USA!!!! We're Number 1!!!!".

Please enlighten me some more on how we could get by without Chinese goods - but for educational purposes, please do so from a keyboard that is made in the US, using a mouse that is made in the US, on a screen that is made in the US, from a computer that is comprised of only US made parts, sitting on a desk that is made in the US.

Your post is laughably naive.

 

[strummer]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: strummer


We give them IOU's they give us goods. They don't need IOU's to feed their people and they don't need IOU's to build weapon systems.

What does it matter to them if in an instant, all their US paper became worthless? It wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as us.

I nearly p1ssed myself when some naive conservative on some board said we could, if it got too big, just default on what we owe China. That would be America's "Rome is Burning" moment. Just imagine going to Walmart and finding empty shelves. Finding people fighting over the last toothbrush on the rack. Plus whatever civil unrest an economic calamity might introduce in China, it can easily be handled by a military of their size, especially when they don't mind getting their hands dirty. Think you could say the same about the US? An economic catastrophe on that scale would endanger the republic. By the way - a bunch of other western and European economies would follow ours right downt the old sh1tter.

So what I'm really getting at is this - We need China, much more than they need us. At some point in the future, we will need their financing so much, that we won't be able to stop them from taking back Taiwan if they really want to.

Our trade imbalance is a huge structural problem and no one really seems to care. The trade deficit is a much bigger threat to America's long term security than Saddam Hussein ever was.

The USA has survived before China.. and it will survive after china. The USA is selfsufficient and can feed its own rather easily. It is afterall one of the biggest exporters of food. The supermarket to the world.

China is not a great exporter of food. IIRC, at times they had to import foods because of drought, diseases, etc..

Without China, the US would be deprived of cheaply made plastic toys and electronics.... but life will move on...

If USA money became worthless, all the Chinese who worked day and night for 20 cent an hr will be extremely upset because the time they spent working would effectively have been lost.. it would have been like free labor; almost a form of slavery.. slaves are not paid for their work...

If to the world, the US dollar is worthless, it doesn't matter since the US can live without the rest of the world... as stated before.. it is self sufficient.

And I would add - the Chinese are not simply financing America by buying our goods for IOU's, they are also purchasing US government debt out right.

From your argument, you would think that we could just not sell the Chinese anymore of our debt and there wouldn't be any negative consequences. Again this is naive and laughable. We are almost to the point of begging them and the other Pacific rim countries to prop up our out of control spending.