sleep apnea

MidasKnight

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Because I Have a CDL Class A license I have a medical card and it is renewed every two years. This year I am up for renewal and I have to have a sleep test done to test for sleep apnea.

I have had the test and have been diagnosed with severe obstructive sleep apnea. Part of me thinks this is all a scam. Everyone that I know who has had a sleep test is then diagnosed with this and then end up with a cpap machine. I wonder what the % rate is for those sleep test patients who end up diagnosed with sleep apnea vs those who don't.

I have insurance and all and it will pay for the machine so money is not the issue ... just seems like a setup scheme to me.
 

purbeast0

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i know 2 people who have really bad sleep apnea who were very hesitant to use the machines because it is just in the way when sleeping, but both of them used one and basically said it was a life changer.
 

MidasKnight

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I'm sure I'll get a cpap machine and I will use it. But if I don't feel any different after a while then I'm sure I'll stop. Just seems to me that when people get these tests done a cpap machine is then prescribed. I'm reading up on this now and trying to see how many sleep test patients don't get diagnosed with sleep apnea.
 

theknight571

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I would imagine that the % of the test subjects that end up with a CPAP is pretty high, because most of those being sent for the test typically exhibit the symptoms before being sent for a test.

I do know a couple of people though that were sent for the test and didn't end up with a machine.
 

edro

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I assumed it was a neck/chest fat problem.
Everyone I know with it has that problem and sleeps on their back.
It's basically a gravity problem.

When I try to sleep on my back, I start to snore.
I sleep on my stomach and there is no problem.
 

Xonim

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Say what you want about it being a scam, but seriously a CPAP will change your life. I got one in May and didn't think it was making a big difference because it was such a gradual change in the way I felt. One night I fell asleep without putting it on, the next day was MISERABLE. Never again.

I forgot it when going on a road trip shortly after that night. We were 1.5 hours from home and I turned around to go get it.
 

Ken g6

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My Dad got a CPAP, didn't like it, didn't use it.
 

Red Squirrel

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Do you sleep on your back? I find that usually induces snoring and wakes me up. If I sleep on my side I'm fine.

If you feel that you sleep fine without the machine then I probably would not use it, but try sleeping on your side if you don't.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I would probably benefit from a cap machine but have resisted due to the most horrendous experience I've ever had going in for the sleep test. Their equipment dated from the '40s, the 'tech' woke me roughly every 15 minutes because I moved enough to dislodge their ancient technology and almost refused to give me my car keys in the morning because I didn't want to take a shower there and was pissed off. I guess they must get negative reactions fairly regularly because they put the 'tech' behind bulletproof glass.
 

TheVrolok

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because most of those being sent for the test typically exhibit the symptoms before being sent for a test.

+

Basically anyone who is moderately obese, bmi>30, fails a sleep apnea test

=

Makes it pretty obvious who has OSA before sending for the PSG. I don't even bother when plain studies unless the insurance mandates them as it's more logistically sound to just order the split study up front.

In today's America greed outweighs ethics more often than not.

Not applicable.
 

mikeford

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Sleep test worst experience of my life, basically clinical waterboarding. I never sleep on my back, never, but that is the only thing allowed for the "test" so I had like two dozen episodes of starting to fall asleep and waking up gasping for air. After that for more than two years I would get panic attacks from wind in my face, and it didn't take a lot of wind.

What they don't tell you is that a large percent of people can't or won't tolerate cpap. The other part is the cost, literally thousands of dollars just for the test.

OTOH is you are part of the group that tolerates the cpap, many find it worthwhile.
 

KeithP

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I would imagine that the % of the test subjects that end up with a CPAP is pretty high, because most of those being sent for the test typically exhibit the symptoms before being sent for a test.

Yep, not surprising at all.

-KeithP
 
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I think the actual occurance rates for Sleep Apnea is higher than you really think. I have OSD and use a CPAP.

I am now considered 'overweight' but even when I was skinny (or skinny'er) as fuck I still snored and had apnea, it just didnt seem to affect me as much in my younger years, i just didnt realize it until my mid 20's when my roommie started to complain. I was 160 lbs then and appropriate for my height.

I use a CPAP and its changed my life. Its one of the best thing I have ever done. It takes a while (they say 30 days, took me a week) to get used to the unit, but once you get used to the pressures (you can always increase the ramp up time to help you fall asleep) .. you'll find you will stay asleep!

I used to wake up every 2 hours on the dot to go hit the restroom. It got really irritating. My body would not get any sleep. Now I sleep 8 hours and never have to get up to use the restroom. I dont fall asleep while watching tv or just idling my mind. I eat lesser and I have lost a lot of weight and increased fitness.. my energy levels are so much higher. The only bad thing is the days you dont use it, you will feel like a truck hit you. You get addicted to it! But honestly its saved my life. I havent had any complaints from the girlfriend(s). It was one of the women I was dating that actually got me to get a CPAP. She couldnt stand my snoring and would banish me to the other room. We actually broke up due to my snoring..

You wouldnt believe how much I was eating before because I had to keep my energy levels up. Now I can do with much lesser with a good nights rest. I travel with my unit everywhere. I have a battery pack that is IATA compliant and it goes with me everywhere. I have used it while camping, on a ferry, on a boat, on the plane (ofcourse, its nice when the seat has onboard power and I dont have to use battery.

The only time I think I got strange looks was when I was on a ferry in Greece. (this from my travel partner who was awake while I napped).
 
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umbrella39

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Ask a pulmonologist to go over the results with you if you think it's a scam. How many times did you go apnic? For how long? How many times did you desaturate below 90%? For how long?
 
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I think the actual occurance rates for Sleep Apnea is higher than you really think. I have OSD and use a CPAP.

I am now considered 'overweight' but even when I was skinny (or skinny'er) as fuck I still snored and had apnea, it just didnt seem to affect me as much in my younger years, i just didnt realize it until my mid 20's when my roommie started to complain. I was 160 lbs then and appropriate for my height.

I use a CPAP and its changed my life. Its one of the best thing I have ever done. It takes a while (they say 30 days, took me a week) to get used to the unit, but once you get used to the pressures (you can always increase the ramp up time to help you fall asleep) .. you'll find you will stay asleep!

I used to wake up every 2 hours on the dot to go hit the restroom. It got really irritating. My body would not get any sleep. Now I sleep 8 hours and never have to get up to use the restroom. I dont fall asleep while watching tv or just idling my mind. I eat lesser and I have lost a lot of weight and increased fitness.. my energy levels are so much higher. The only bad thing is the days you dont use it, you will feel like a truck hit you. You get addicted to it! But honestly its saved my life. I havent had any complaints from the girlfriend(s). It was one of the women I was dating that actually got me to get a CPAP. She couldnt stand my snoring and would banish me to the other room. We actually broke up due to my snoring..

You wouldnt believe how much I was eating before because I had to keep my energy levels up. Now I can do with much lesser with a good nights rest. I travel with my unit everywhere. I have a battery pack that is IATA compliant and it goes with me everywhere. I have used it while camping, on a ferry, on a boat, on the plane (ofcourse, its nice when the seat has onboard power and I dont have to use battery.

The only time I think I got strange looks was when I was on a ferry in Greece. (this from my travel partner who was awake while I napped).
If I remember my endocrinology class from college properly, poor sleep (like the kind you have from sleep apnea) has been associated with hormonal changes that could lead to further weight gain as well as changing appetites such that the individual becomes hungrier and/or craves foods that might be considered worse. So it becomes a self-reinforcing cycle.
 

Jeff7

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In today's America most of human history greed outweighs ethics more often than not.
There we go.




I would imagine that the % of the test subjects that end up with a CPAP is pretty high, because most of those being sent for the test typically exhibit the symptoms before being sent for a test.

I do know a couple of people though that were sent for the test and didn't end up with a machine.
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

"Oh god, remember that thing we were looking for? We found it."

"Shit, we're screwed."
 
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pontifex

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I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea and use a cpap machine. been using it since august or september or so I think. trying to get used to it is a bitch.

They are saying it's working and my sleep test showed I woke up 34 times an hour and my oxygen went down to 74%. the machine last month says my average was 2.2 times an hour. I have yet to feel any difference from using it. it's more a pain in the ass then any benefit I can feel.\

i never felt any of the symptoms they claim it causes it before i had the test done.
 

sportage

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I do believe sleep apnea diagnosis and CPAPs are the next new scam.
Personal experience, a close friend said their relatives are all using CPAP units.
Many of his relatives were diagnosed with sleep apnea, and they strongly suggested he too MUST have sleep apnea simply because they claim sleep apnea was inherited.

The only thing he complained about was being tired a lot during the day, and restless waking up often during the night. His wife says he never snores but is a restless sleeper.
So, on the advice of relatives he went thru the sleep test at a sleep apnea clinic, and tada, was diagnosed with sleep apnea and told the solution was a CPAP device.

Got it, started using it, he claimed it worked.
Then after a few weeks of use, he started complaining of pain in his chest/lungs.
Doc said he just needed to get use to the CPAP device.

Then he caught a very bad cold.
Still used his CPAP.
I asked him if it was wise to use the CPAP while fighting a bad cold?
But he still continued to use it even with his bad cold.
After a week he developed a terrible cough with the cold.
I suggested the CPAP was forcing germs into his lungs and that could not be good.
He still kept using his CPAP.

Then one morning he woke his wife telling her he could hardly take in a breath.
She said he was panting like a dog, trying to take a breath.
She called 911.
They came out, loaded him in the ambulance and he suddenly stopped breathing, then his heart stopped.
The ambulance crew performed CPR on him, revived him, and rushed him off the the hospital.

His wife drove to the hospital following the ambulance, and when she entered the ER one of the ER doctors grabbed her arm taking her into a side room.
He told her he was very seriously ill and most likely would not survive.

Well, he did survive and spent one weeks in ICU.
The cause of all this was said to be a mild heart attack.
He finally went home, and started using his CPAP again.

Once again he started having the chest/lung pain like before.
The sleep apnea center had him come in and ended up reducing the air flow output force of his CPAP device.
That helped eliminate his chest/lung pain, and he still uses the CPAP device today.

The thing is, he has once again began having sleep issues and returning to his pattern of restless sleep.
And feeling tired during the day just like before.
So in the end, the only one that came out ahead was the sleep apnea clinic, and the makers of the CPAP device.

I truly believe this is a total scam for 85% of people falsely diagnosed with sleep apnea, then put on the CPAP machine.
This is making the CPAP manufacturers as well as sleep apnea clinics A LOT OF $$$$$$.

Some people probably do suffer from sleep apnea, and for them the CPAP device might be of some limited benefit, even though it's actual benefit no doubt highly overblown.
Still, if you are diagnosed with sleep apnea and put on the CPAP device, then eventually return to the same sleep pattern issues you had before diagnoses, I'd highly question if you were ever sleep apnea in the first place.

Sleep apnea, as I understand it, is when one snores loudly and then stops breathing for several seconds at a time, then with a loud violent snore starts breathing again.
If one does not have this sleep pattern issue or if other loved ones tell you that you do not snore or appear to stop breathing during sleep, I would then be highly suspicious of any sleep apnea clinic that would diagnose you with sleep apnea, followed by starting you on a CPAP device.

If restless sleep is your problem, or feeling tired during the day is your problem, I doubt sleep apnea is the cause. The cause could and probably is a number of other issues completely unrelated to sleep apnea.
Maybe your wife is the restless one and her flopping around in bed is keeping you awake.
Or, having the dog or cat sleeping in the bed with you.

Over the counter sleeping aids might be the solution, or better yet try a white sound machine.
Personally, I can sleep through anything when using a sound machine in the room.
 

mikeford

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When all you sell are hammers the idea is to convince people everything is a nail.
 

Meghan54

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Sleep apnea, as I understand it, is when one snores loudly and then stops breathing for several seconds at a time, then with a loud violent snore starts breathing again.
If one does not have this sleep pattern issue or if other loved ones tell you that you do not snore or appear to stop breathing during sleep, I would then be highly suspicious of any sleep apnea clinic that would diagnose you with sleep apnea, followed by starting you on a CPAP device.



First, glad to see you displaying your medical degree.

Second, there are 3 specific types of sleep apnea, including obstructive, which is the most common, but there are also central apnea and complex, a combination of obstructive and central. But with your medical experience and degree, I'm sure you already knew that.


And your friend.....really sounds like he was suffering from CHF prior to his MI and most likely had pulm. edema cropping up.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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I do believe sleep apnea diagnosis and CPAPs are the next new scam.
Personal experience, a close friend said their relatives are all using CPAP units.
Many of his relatives were diagnosed with sleep apnea, and they strongly suggested he too MUST have sleep apnea simply because they claim sleep apnea was inherited.

The only thing he complained about was being tired a lot during the day, and restless waking up often during the night. His wife says he never snores but is a restless sleeper.
So, on the advice of relatives he went thru the sleep test at a sleep apnea clinic, and tada, was diagnosed with sleep apnea and told the solution was a CPAP device.

Got it, started using it, he claimed it worked.
Then after a few weeks of use, he started complaining of pain in his chest/lungs.
Doc said he just needed to get use to the CPAP device.

Then he caught a very bad cold.
Still used his CPAP.
I asked him if it was wise to use the CPAP while fighting a bad cold?
But he still continued to use it even with his bad cold.
After a week he developed a terrible cough with the cold.
I suggested the CPAP was forcing germs into his lungs and that could not be good.
He still kept using his CPAP.

Then one morning he woke his wife telling her he could hardly take in a breath.
She said he was panting like a dog, trying to take a breath.
She called 911.
They came out, loaded him in the ambulance and he suddenly stopped breathing, then his heart stopped.
The ambulance crew performed CPR on him, revived him, and rushed him off the the hospital.

His wife drove to the hospital following the ambulance, and when she entered the ER one of the ER doctors grabbed her arm taking her into a side room.
He told her he was very seriously ill and most likely would not survive.

Well, he did survive and spent one weeks in ICU.
The cause of all this was said to be a mild heart attack.
He finally went home, and started using his CPAP again.

Once again he started having the chest/lung pain like before.
The sleep apnea center had him come in and ended up reducing the air flow output force of his CPAP device.
That helped eliminate his chest/lung pain, and he still uses the CPAP device today.

The thing is, he has once again began having sleep issues and returning to his pattern of restless sleep.
And feeling tired during the day just like before.
So in the end, the only one that came out ahead was the sleep apnea clinic, and the makers of the CPAP device.

I truly believe this is a total scam for 85% of people falsely diagnosed with sleep apnea, then put on the CPAP machine.
This is making the CPAP manufacturers as well as sleep apnea clinics A LOT OF $$$$$$.

Some people probably do suffer from sleep apnea, and for them the CPAP device might be of some limited benefit, even though it's actual benefit no doubt highly overblown.
Still, if you are diagnosed with sleep apnea and put on the CPAP device, then eventually return to the same sleep pattern issues you had before diagnoses, I'd highly question if you were ever sleep apnea in the first place.

Sleep apnea, as I understand it, is when one snores loudly and then stops breathing for several seconds at a time, then with a loud violent snore starts breathing again.
If one does not have this sleep pattern issue or if other loved ones tell you that you do not snore or appear to stop breathing during sleep, I would then be highly suspicious of any sleep apnea clinic that would diagnose you with sleep apnea, followed by starting you on a CPAP device.

If restless sleep is your problem, or feeling tired during the day is your problem, I doubt sleep apnea is the cause. The cause could and probably is a number of other issues completely unrelated to sleep apnea.
Maybe your wife is the restless one and her flopping around in bed is keeping you awake.
Or, having the dog or cat sleeping in the bed with you.

Over the counter sleeping aids might be the solution, or better yet try a white sound machine.
Personally, I can sleep through anything when using a sound machine in the room.

This post based on 0% science.
 
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