smart car: What's the point?

[slothfish]

Light years? Not sure why you'd take a rep of the company so seriously. He's trying to push the cars.

It sounds ordinary to me, actually. I am unable to find anything impressive about the battery pack at all.

It's a regular Lithium Ion variant that has advantages and disadvantages over the pack in the LEAF, as far as I can tell.

This Miles Electric Vehicle has been around for a while, hasn't it? It's just renamed now and the company reorganized.

Here it is in a 2007 article saying 6 prototypes will soon be ready for testing, and it would be for sale in 2009:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/13/autos/electric_car/index.htm?cnn=yes

Because he's not a company rep, a salesperson, or anyone from the marketing department, he's the head of battery development, Phil Gow. He explained the mechanics of the battery system to me because I was curious, he was not trying to "sell" me on it by any means. I was a salesman for years, I would be able to tell lol. Like I said I happened to be at the mall during a Coda press conference, and had the incredible opportunity to meet people that generally do not speak to the public.

There is no such thing as a "regular lithium ion variant". There are many, many different types of Lithium Ion batteries, and Coda uses packs with a Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry, which does not exist in electric cars currently. I don't see what disadvantages it has to the Leaf packs, considering it has nearly twice the range in a similar form factor. In fact the physical placement of the batteries alone plays a huge part in how the car drives and handles (extremely low center of gravity, dead center), not to mention they are completely out of the way of any crumple zones or areas that would be affected in a crash.

Here they claimed 120+ miles range with a 25kw Lion battery pack.

http://green.autoblog.com/2008/02/06/miles-xs500-will-be-a-lot-more-expensive-than-planned/

That apparently takes twice as long to charge as the Coda and has half the life expectancy. On top of that, it only has a 25kw battery as opposed to the Coda's 36kw (advertised, 39kw in reality). They can claim 120+ miles all they want, but there are already legitimate reviews backing up Coda's claims, and plenty more to come. Where are the Miles test drive reviews? Considering it looks just like the Coda, will probably be in the same price bracket, and clearly performs more poorly, I don't see how that car is even a point of discussion.

Nobody has any reason to trust me, but I've done my research and the Coda seems to be the best overall EV around so far. I'm sure with a tiny bit of research anyone else will come to the same conclusion, it honestly just seems like you are trying to shoot me down for no reason at this point haha.

I do appreciate and encourage your research of competitors though, all it does is provide the community with more knowledge, which is only ever a good thing.

 

[sdifox]

I don't think I have seen anyone as enthusiastic about Koda as slothfish.

 

[sdifox]

...and it's electric. I dare you to find me a better electric for the price, not to mention there is a ridiculous amount of tax credit you'll receive that can potentially bring the price of the car down to $31,000 depending on where you live. I've seen quite a few people in this thread mention that the Nissan Leaf is a much better alternative to a Smart, I'm simply providing a much better alternative to the Leaf.

You can doubt all you want, but I've driven one...and you haven't. They all come equipped with very nice Kumhos stock.

Please do at least a little bit of research before you start hating all over the place.


Edit:

The definition of doing just a little bit of research

which Kumhos? chances are they are low rolling resistance ones, not sport tires. That just doesn't go with EVs.

 

[sdifox]

Because he's not a company rep, a salesperson, or anyone from the marketing department, he's the head of battery development, Phil Gow. He explained the mechanics of the battery system to me because I was curious, he was not trying to "sell" me on it by any means. I was a salesman for years, I would be able to tell lol. Like I said I happened to be at the mall during a Coda press conference, and had the incredible opportunity to meet people that generally do not speak to the public.

There is no such thing as a "regular lithium ion variant". There are many, many different types of Lithium Ion batteries, and Coda uses packs with a Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry, which does not exist in electric cars currently. I don't see what disadvantages it has to the Leaf packs, considering it has nearly twice the range in a similar form factor. In fact the physical placement of the batteries alone plays a huge part in how the car drives and handles (extremely low center of gravity, dead center), not to mention they are completely out of the way of any crumple zones or areas that would be affected in a crash.


you understand


That apparently takes twice as long to charge as the Coda and has half the life expectancy. On top of that, it only has a 25kw battery as opposed to the Coda's 36kw (advertised, 39kw in reality). They can claim 120+ miles all they want, but there are already legitimate reviews backing up Coda's claims, and plenty more to come. Where are the Miles test drive reviews? Considering it looks just like the Coda, will probably be in the same price bracket, and clearly performs more poorly, I don't see how that car is even a point of discussion.

Nobody has any reason to trust me, but I've done my research and the Coda seems to be the best overall EV around so far. I'm sure with a tiny bit of research anyone else will come to the same conclusion, it honestly just seems like you are trying to shoot me down for no reason at this point haha.

I do appreciate and encourage your research of competitors though, all it does is provide the community with more knowledge, which is only ever a good thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coda_Automotive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Automotive

notice the similarities? Same Miles Rubin....

 

[slothfish]

I don't think I have seen anyone as enthusiastic about Koda as slothfish.

Haha, If you knew me in person you'd know that I am enthusiastic about pretty much anything I'm interested in

which Kumhos? chances are they are low rolling resistance ones, not sport tires. That just doesn't go with EVs.

These ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coda_Automotive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Automotive

notice the similarities? Same Miles Rubin....

My understanding is that Miles left Coda quite a while ago, not sure why.

 

[A5]

A user loses all credibility if they don't research that which they are criticizing. If you have no interest in researching, then anything you have to say about the subject is a moot point, so why even post anything other than to gain the attention of people you will never even meet?

Furthermore, your only argument against the car is that it's ugly. Have you bothered to even glance at the other options available? I'm talking about options that use no gasoline, not archaic combustion engines and soon-to-be obsolete hybrid tech. If your main concern is aesthetics, I sincerely hope you do not represent the voice of your generation.

...and it sure as hell looks better than a Leaf, which is the only car I was comparing the Coda to by the way.

I don't care about my credibility here and frankly you're expecting a level of discourse that hasn't existed on this forum for a long, long time.

I've seen enough "enthusiastic" new users turn out to be marketing shills to be extremely wary of people who register to post glowing reviews in a single topic and never post in any other thread.

I think worrying about the aesthetics of a car is a perfectly legitimate complaint even if you think it's the best car in the world. I do think the Leaf looks better because it at least has some design. Once LTC posted the car's true origins it made much more sense, though. Hyundai used to make terrible looking cars around the turn of the century, but their sales skyrocketed once they caught up with (and in some opinions surpassed) the design aesthetics in the markets they were competing in. Once the Chinese catch up in that department, things will get interesting.

 

[sdifox]

Haha, If you knew me in person you'd know that I am enthusiastic about pretty much anything I'm interested in



These ones



My understanding is that Miles left Coda quite a while ago, not sure why.

those are all seasons...not exactly what we call sporty tires.

I don't understand Miles leaving Coda part, since Miles automotive is much older than Coda. Though him being called chairman emeritus does suggest he is not there at CODA. Maybe he just acts as a VC.

 

[slothfish]

I don't care about my credibility here and frankly you're expecting a level of discourse that hasn't existed on this forum for a long, long time.

I've seen enough "enthusiastic" new users turn out to be marketing shills to be extremely wary of people who register to post glowing reviews in a single topic and never post in any other thread.

I think worrying about the aesthetics of a car is a perfectly legitimate complaint even if you think it's the best car in the world. I do think the Leaf looks better because it at least has some design. Once LTC posted the car's true origins it made much more sense, though. Hyundai used to make terrible looking cars around the turn of the century, but their sales skyrocketed once they caught up with (and in some opinions surpassed) the design aesthetics in the markets they were competing in. Once the Chinese catch up in that department, things will get interesting.

If you don't care about your credibility here then why bother posting? I'm not "expecting" any particular level of discourse, just providing my opinion and a few facts to hopefully educate anyone that cares. Aren't you a moderator on this forum? Shouldn't you be, well... moderating?

As far as aesthetics go, I also consider them to be important, but you have to be able to judge what is logically more important. If every other option on the market is superior in specifications, but you prefer the look of an inferior car, that clearly isn't a smart buy. Think about one of the main reasons people consider buying smart cars (because they are "cute"), and get back to me

 

[LTC8K6]

Miles has not left CODA, he's on the board of directors, and that early car with the 25Kw pack is the same car. They have been making promises they can't keep for years.

Now, maybe they have finally got the car right this time, but I'm not holding my breath for an unknown vehicle when I have known vehicles that are better to pick from.

Why slothfish seems to be delusional/blind about this car, I leave as an exercise for the class.

It makes you think he has stock in the company...

Phil Gow is the VP of battery systems at CODA. Somehow I think that makes him a company rep...he works for CODA.

I'm completely done with this ridiculous Chinese electric car.

 

[slothfish]

Miles has not left CODA, he's on the board of directors, and that early car with the 25Kw pack is the same car. They have been making promises they can't keep for years.

Now, maybe they have finally got the car right this time, but I'm not holding my breath for an unknown vehicle when I have known vehicles that are better to pick from.

Why slothfish seems to be delusional/blind about this car, I leave as an exercise for the class.

It makes you think he has stock in the company...

Phil Gow is the VP of battery systems at CODA. Somehow I think that makes him a company rep...he works for CODA.

I'm completely done with this ridiculous Chinese electric car.

I'm not delusional or blind by any means, in fact I didn't even know about this car until I came across some previews online a few months ago. I don't know why you are having trouble distinguishing basic facts with fanboyism, but I assure you I am no Coda fanboy. I have simply researched all of the options and am representing what I have researched. Now if I had no concrete reasons why I now favor the Coda car versus the competition's offerings, that would be a different story, but if you had been paying attention, you would clearly see that is not the case.

Now I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but the Miles and the Coda are very different machines. It seems like your only basis for comparing them is the fact that Miles Rubin used to work for Coda, you seem to be ignoring the blatantly obvious specifications that set the cars apart.

You keep coming back to this "Chinese made" "unknown vehicle" BS. I have already explained that the vehicle is anything but unknown (at least in SoCal), in fact I have driven one. I don't know of a better way of judging a car than actually driving it, if you know of one please inform me. As for the "Chinese made" comments- the Coda is almost entirely assembled in California. Just because some of the parts themselves are manufactured in China does not mean it isn't a quality car. Own any Apple products? Guess where the parts were made? You guessed it- China. Most of anything in America is made in China, but we as consumers are so ready do dismiss a product as soon as we hear of it's origins...it makes no sense. On top of that, Coda offers a 3-year 36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (including roadside assistance), and an 8-year, 100,000 mile warranty for the battery system. If anything, that will give you peace of mind for at least 3 years.

I do not own stock in Coda, they are not public

If anything, all you are doing is establishing yourself as someone who makes uneducated decisions, not vice-versa. You seem like you're just pissed because you've been trying to find something better than the option that I have presented to the community, and you've failed.

To anybody reading:

I could care less about Coda, I simply believe they have the best electric vehicle to date. If ANYBODY can find a better option, please let me know, I am very open to other models.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'm not delusional or blind by any means, in fact I didn't even know about this car until I came across some previews online a few months ago. I don't know why you are having trouble distinguishing basic facts with fanboyism, but I assure you I am no Coda fanboy. I have simply researched all of the options and am representing what I have researched. Now if I had no concrete reasons why I now favor the Coda car versus the competition's offerings, that would be a different story, but if you had been paying attention, you would clearly see that is not the case.

Now I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but the Miles and the Coda are very different machines. It seems like your only basis for comparing them is the fact that Miles Rubin used to work for Coda, you seem to be ignoring the blatantly obvious specifications that set the cars apart.

You keep coming back to this "Chinese made" "unknown vehicle" BS. I have already explained that the vehicle is anything but unknown (at least in SoCal), in fact I have driven one. I don't know of a better way of judging a car than actually driving it, if you know of one please inform me. As for the "Chinese made" comments- the Coda is almost entirely assembled in California. Just because some of the parts themselves are manufactured in China does not mean it isn't a quality car. Own any Apple products? Guess where the parts were made? You guessed it- China. Most of anything in America is made in China, but we as consumers are so ready do dismiss a product as soon as we hear of it's origins...it makes no sense. On top of that, Coda offers a 3-year 36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (including roadside assistance), and an 8-year, 100,000 mile warranty for the battery system. If anything, that will give you peace of mind for at least 3 years.

I do not own stock in Coda, they are not public

If anything, all you are doing is establishing yourself as someone who makes uneducated decisions, not vice-versa. You seem like you're just pissed because you've been trying to find something better than the option that I have presented to the community, and you've failed.

To anybody reading:

I could care less about Coda, I simply believe they have the best electric vehicle to date. If ANYBODY can find a better option, please let me know, I am very open to other models.

You meant couldn't, right? I'd hate to think anyone could care any less...

I don't care if you keep shilling for the car. It makes no difference to me. That's what you are doing as far as I am concerned. Bizarrely shilling for a car you appear to know little about except what you got from company reps.

You can say Gow is not a company rep and Miles isn't on the board, it doesn't change the facts, which everyone can read on their own.

You can praise the car to high heaven and it won't alter the facts one bit.

Google has the answers, and all are free to look up the car and draw their own conclusions.

I don't think the Miles/CODA sedan/XS500/Hafei Saibao EV is going to sell. Period. There's absolutely no reason for consumers to choose it over the alternatives. Plain and simple.

Had it been on the market sooner, it might be a different story. Even then, I doubt it.

The idea that the XS500/Hafei Saibao EV/CODA sedan are not the same vehicle is silly. Anyone can see that they are.

This covers the situation nicely, imo.

http://www.businessinsider.com/coda-delays-rollout-of-electric-car-why-were-not-surprised-2010-11

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/09/coda-ev-44900-for-an-electrified-hafei-saibao/

 

[slothfish]

You meant couldn't, right? I'd hate to think anyone could care any less...

I don't care if you keep shilling for the car. It makes no difference to me. That's what you are doing as far as I am concerned. Bizarrely shilling for a car you appear to know little about except what you got from company reps.

You can say Gow is not a company rep and Miles isn't on the board, it doesn't change the facts, which everyone can read on their own.

You can praise the car to high heaven and it won't alter the facts one bit.

Google has the answers, and all are free to look up the car and draw their own conclusions.

I don't think the Miles/CODA sedan/XS500/Hafei Saibao EV is going to sell. Period. There's absolutely no reason for consumers to choose it over the alternatives. Plain and simple.

Had it been on the market sooner, it might be a different story. Even then, I doubt it.

The idea that the XS500/Hafei Saibao EV/CODA sedan are not the same vehicle is silly. Anyone can see that they are.

This covers the situation nicely, imo.

http://www.businessinsider.com/coda-delays-rollout-of-electric-car-why-were-not-surprised-2010-11

First of all, very little of the information I am relaying to the community I heard from company reps. I'm not a moron, and I don't believe everything I hear. I have done all research on my own, and have done nothing but provide information for people that are considering buying an electric car (clearly not you).

Secondly, where the hell are you getting your information from? Miles DOES NOT work for Coda. He founded the company and left, it's not difficult to look this up. Whether or not Gow is a company rep is irrelevant. I clearly stated that I do not know the details of the battery system, and that I would appreciate the help of anyone that knows more. Quit beating a dead horse.

I agree with you 100% on at least one topic: anybody can google whatever info they would like. A quick google search will just validate everything that I have been saying. Where do you think I got my info from?

The Miles/XS500/Hafei Saibao and the Coda are not the same car, it doesn't really matter how many times you repeat it. There are a lot more factors that go into the production of a car than just body design. Just google the specs (like you have so graciously suggested) and you can easily see this for yourself.

Your year-old articles are doing nothing but validating my point. I had not even known or cared about the car back then, because it's internals have since changed significantly. I have provided a 4-day old test drive review of the car, and have driven the friggin thing myself. To try to debunk what I have been saying with old, irrelevant articles is just plain stupid. Come up with something recent and then we'll be talking.

Keep arguing, I'm having fun making you look like a moron.

 

[sdifox]

First of all, very little of the information I am relaying to the community I heard from company reps. I'm not a moron, and I don't believe everything I hear. I have done all research on my own, and have done nothing but provide information for people that are considering buying an electric car (clearly not you).

Secondly, where the hell are you getting your information from? Miles DOES NOT work for Coda. He founded the company and left, it's not difficult to look this up. Whether or not Gow is a company rep is irrelevant. I clearly stated that I do not know the details of the battery system, and that I would appreciate the help of anyone that knows more. Quit beating a dead horse.

I agree with you 100% on at least one topic: anybody can google whatever info they would like. A quick google search will just validate everything that I have been saying. Where do you think I got my info from?

The Miles/XS500/Hafei Saibao and the Coda are not the same car, it doesn't really matter how many times you repeat it. There are a lot more factors that go into the production of a car than just body design. Just google the specs (like you have so graciously suggested) and you can easily see this for yourself.

Your year-old articles are doing nothing but validating my point. I had not even known or cared about the car back then, because it's internals have since changed significantly. I have provided a 4-day old test drive review of the car, and have driven the friggin thing myself. To try to debunk what I have been saying with old, irrelevant articles is just plain stupid. Come up with something recent and then we'll be talking.

Keep arguing, I'm having fun making you look like a moron.

wiki says the Coda is based on the Hafei Saibao. Are you saying the wiki is lying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coda_Automotive

http://chinaautoweb.com/2010/10/hafei-saibao-ev-the-first-chinese-made-car-to-be-sold-in-the-u-s/



In order to reduce the cost of building a vehicle from the ground-up, CODA re-engineered an existing, gasoline powered vehicle, the Hafei Saibao.[10]

 

[LTC8K6]

Every source I look at says Miles is on the Board of Directors, Gow works for CODA, and the XS500/Hafei Saibao EV/CODA sedan are the same car.

The only source disagreeing is slothfish, as far as I can tell.

Besides all that, no one is going to buy a CODA sedan when they can get a better EV or Hybrid, from a mfg with a good rep, for the same or less money.

Slothfish's continued fascination with the CODA sedan makes zero sense to me.

I see no reason whatsoever to buy a CODA, just from the vehicle specs and price alone. Forget everything else. No one in their right mind would buy a CODA, or support the CODA, imo, just from the specs and price. They would buy a Toyota/Chevy/Ford, etc.

 

[slothfish]

wiki says the Coda is based on the Hafei Saibao. Are you saying the wiki is lying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coda_Automotive

http://chinaautoweb.com/2010/10/hafei-saibao-ev-the-first-chinese-made-car-to-be-sold-in-the-u-s/



In order to reduce the cost of building a vehicle from the ground-up, CODA re-engineered an existing, gasoline powered vehicle, the Hafei Saibao.[10]

Re-engineered is the key word here. While they may share the same body style, the similarities end there. Coda has had a team of engineers in Los Angeles redesigning the car for maximum efficiency since 2009. It's not like they are taking a crappy Chinese car and sticking a battery in it, everything is completely redesigned. I see absolutely nothing wrong with taking a flawed design and improving upon it in order to make it a now excellent design.

 

[slothfish]

Every source I look at says Miles is on the Board of Directors, Gow works for CODA, and the XS500/Hafei Saibao EV/CODA sedan are the same car.

The only source disagreeing is slothfish, as far as I can tell.

Besides all that, no one is going to buy a CODA sedan when they can get a better EV or Hybrid, from a mfg with a good rep, for the same or less money.

Slothfish's continued fascination with the CODA sedan makes zero sense to me.

I see no reason whatsoever to buy a CODA, just from the vehicle specs and price alone. Forget everything else. No one in their right mind would buy a CODA, or support the CODA, imo, just from the specs and price. They would buy a Toyota/Chevy/Ford, etc.

You constantly spew these clearly invented "facts", yet provide no links to back up your claims. I, on the other hand, have provided several. You keep saying that there are so many better alternatives, but have yet to mention even one.

Your move.

 

[LTC8K6]

The vehicle is made in China. It's a Hafei Saibao sedan. It's shipped to Cali without a powertrain, and CODA installs the electric powertrain. That's what I get from multiple sources.

 

[ShawnD1]

The vehicle is made in China. It's a Hafei Saibao sedan. It's shipped to Cali without a powertrain, and CODA installs the electric powertrain. That's what I get from multiple sources.

:awe:

chinese crash test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A

 

[LTC8K6]

You constantly spew these clearly invented "facts", yet provide no links to back up your claims. I, on the other hand, have provided several. You keep saying that there are so many better alternatives, but have yet to mention even one.

Your move.

I have linked to every thing I have written, as far as I know. Either in the actual post, or in prior posts.

Besides, it doesn't take much to google the XS500/Hafei Saibao/CODA sedan/ Miles Electric Car, etc.

There's one thing that will tell you for sure if the car will go on sale in the US, and that's the announcement that it has met crash worthiness and roll over standards.

When I see those results, I'll believe it will be for sale.

It won't sell much, though. If it goes anywhere, it will be a fleet vehicle, imo.

 

[slothfish]

The vehicle is made in China. It's a Hafei Saibao sedan. It's shipped to Cali without a powertrain, and CODA installs the electric powertrain. That's what I get from multiple sources.

Good for you. Share a credible link for once, please.

:awe:

chinese crash test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A

That's a Chevy btw

 

[LTC8K6]

The current CODA sedan is a rebadged Saibo 3 body and chassis with the front and rear fascias altered. That's from Wiki.

I actually believe the cars are almost completely assembled by Haifei.

http://www.insideline.com/car-news/china-made-hafei-saibao-heads-to-us-rebadged-as-coda-sedan.html

SANTA MONICA, California — Another Chinese automaker is planning to send its cars to the United States. Harbin-based Hafei Motor, an affiliate of China's largest aircraft manufacturer, has developed an electric version of its Saibao sedan, a five-year-old compact model designed by Pininfarina and unveiled at the 2004 Beijing Auto Show. Rebadged as the Coda Sedan, the Saibao EV is slated to go on sale in California in late 2010.

Headquartered in northern China, Hafei Motor is a division of state-owned AviChina Industry & Technology, which builds military and commercial jets and helicopters.

Hafei began selling the Saibao in China in 2005. Since then, the five-passenger sedan has been upgraded several times, but not heavily redesigned. In China, the Saibao equipped with a four-cylinder gasoline engine sells for $13,000.

Hafei began working in 2007 with Tianjin-based Qingyuan Electric Vehicle Co. to develop a battery-powered version of the Saibao, in partnership with a U.S. company, Miles Automotive. Lithium-ion batteries are being supplied by Lishen Battery, also based in Tianjin.

Miles Automotive has some experience with Chinese-made electric vehicles. It has imported a battery-powered version of the FAW Happy Messenger, a minicompact it has rebadged as the Miles ZX40. Miles has displayed prototypes of the Saibao EV, which it originally had planned to market in the U.S. as the Miles XS500.

Since then, Miles has established a new affiliate, Coda Automotive, to oversee marketing, distribution and sales of the newly christened Coda Sedan, which it plans to sell for $45,000.

Inside Line says: The reconstituted Saibao is getting long in the tooth but is not yet completely out of date — a credit to the original Pininfarina design. — Paul Lienert, Correspondent

http://chinaautoweb.com/2010/10/hafei-saibao-ev-the-first-chinese-made-car-to-be-sold-in-the-u-s/

Later this year, the California-based EV venture, CODA Automotive, is to sell in its home state a Hafei-built, all-electric sedan, the American version of Saibao EV.

 

[LTC8K6]

Good for you. Share a credible link for once, please.

You don't need the links. You knew all of this before I posted it. There's no way that anyone would drive the car, and not research it. The slightest attempt at research reveals the truth.

 

[slothfish]

The current CODA sedan is a rebadged Saibo 3 body and chassis with the front and rear fascias altered. That's from Wiki.

I actually believe the cars are almost completely assembled by Haifei.

http://www.insideline.com/car-news/china-made-hafei-saibao-heads-to-us-rebadged-as-coda-sedan.html



http://chinaautoweb.com/2010/10/hafei-saibao-ev-the-first-chinese-made-car-to-be-sold-in-the-u-s/

Once again, credible links. The articles you just linked to are over two years old, and one year old, respectively. Any recent article clearly points out the vastly different specifications. What are you trying to prove here other then the fact that you are stubborn?


Edit: Here. RECENT reviews, after much redesigning.

http://www.autoobserver.com/2011/09/coda-test-drive-shows-strong-heart-in-plain-wrap.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/08/business/la-fi-autos-coda-sedan-review-20110908

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/2012-coda-sedan

http://www.chicagotribune.com/class...oda-sedan-review-box-20110908,0,1590997.story

But I'm clearly just a fanboy, right?

 

[LTC8K6]

Which pic is from my "old" article, and which is from the CODA website?

Here is the car with the older front fascia, it's otherwise identical. This fascia goes back to the gas engine car.