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Kaido

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The Nest smoke alarm is back, albeit with the "wave" feature disabled: (they still haven't updated the videos or manuals on their website though)

http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/16/nest-brings-back-the-protect-at-99-but-waving-is-still-disabled/

They lowered the price from $129 to $99 sans the wave-to-disable feature, which apparently didn't work correctly, but it still retains all of the other features:

* Can still silence alarm by pushing the button
* Smoke & CO2 alarm
* Has a built-in nightlight
* Nice design
* Spoken warnings
* Ability to control device remotely using an app
* Alerts you when phone batteries are low via phone message
* Works with the Nest Thermostat
* Battery or 120V wired option (wired includes built-in battery backup)
* Black or white color options
* Custom labels per alarm (ex. "Living Room")
* Ability to be mounted on ceiling OR side wall (ceiling is recommended)
* Daily self-check to server
* Human voice alarm
* Network app so you can monitor all of your alarms

One upcoming feature includes integration with wired security systems. These are great for server rooms too, along with a cheap Foscam (remote visual monitoring & smoke alarm). Consumer Reports did knock it for not having dual smoke sensors:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...-of-nest-protect-smoke-and-co-alarm/index.htm

There are two types of smoke sensors on the market—photoelectric and ionization. The former is better at detecting smoky, smoldering fires, while the latter is better at detecting open flames. The Nest Protect only has a photoelectric detector, so it was not very good in our tests at detecting fast-flaming fires, like those that would result from a stack of ignited papers. And so, in order to have the fastest protection from all fires, you’d need to combine the Nest Protect with ionization smoke detectors.

I do use these in business applications (computer rooms) for extra piece-of-mind; I was planning on getting some for home due to the "wave to silence" feature, but now that that's gone, I'll just stick with the sub-$30 off-the-shelf smoke alarms. The new ones from Kidde have a 10-year battery life (sealed battery) with a built-in nightlight & have a dual-sensor model that CR recommends:

http://consumerreports.org/cro/home...ngs/models/overview/kidde-pi9000-99023811.htm

Also, an interesting note from TechCrunch:

Nest is also leveraging the data collected by Protects installed in customer’s homes. The company just released a white paper on carbon monoxide, which it calls the largest of its kind since it used real world data. The company also releases findings from data collected from Nest Learning Thermostats.

Nest's blog post on it:

https://nest.com/blog/2014/06/16/nest-protect-in-the-real-world/

I'll trim it down to the highlights:

With hundreds of thousands of Nest Protects already installed and connected to the Internet, we’re able to analyze actual CO events on a scale that’s never been done before. CO poisoning kills over 400 people a year in the U.S. alone, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. We’re dedicated to seeing that number decline.

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Nest Protect’s data suggests that at least one million households across the US, UK and Canada are exposed to high levels of carbon monoxide each year.

That's pretty awesome that they can do data collection like that; I know some people are worried about mass information collection, but if the NSA already has all of your info already, whatever - it sounds like no one has ever done carbon monoxide monitoring to this level before, so getting this kind of information on paper is Good Stuff.
 
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Kaido

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Engadget: Super cheap Smart Home kit brings automation to the masses

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/20/archos-smart-home-kit-available-250/

If you're wondering when home automation might tip into the Walmart-level mainstream, here's a sign: Archos' Smart Home starter kit is now on sale. Along with two cameras, two movement tags and two weather tags, they're throwing in a controlling tablet, all for $250 -- or $25 each for the cameras and sensors. Considering the tablet, that's even cheaper than SmartThings' low-end kit. Archos says it's the first to use the Bluetooth Smart tech in connected homes and engineered it to work at double the normal distance (65 instead of 32 feet) with up to 13 devices. That'll permit it to take a photo when a movement-tagged door is opened, for instance, using its scenario editor and the Tasker Android app. Archos also has controllable plug sockets, alarm sirens, motion-detectors and even a pet tracker planned for the future. The kit should hit its online shop soon, but fair warning -- Archos is known for low-priced, but not exactly high-end goods.
 

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Nest (now owned by Google) is acquiring Dropcam for $555 million:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/20/nest-is-acquiring-dropcam-for-555-million/

This is an interesting move from Google, the maker of Android. Apple is bringing the home automation heat with HomeKit & iBeacon; Google has Nest (smart thermostat & smart smoke alarms) & now Dropcam, and is apparently setting up Google Nearby for smarthome services:

http://gizmodo.com/report-google-nearby-to-bring-android-next-level-conte-1587541353
 

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Looking for a $200. Max IP Camera. Any thing new coming out I should look for? Any recommendations for one?

Thanks
 

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What are your requirements?
The only major requirement would be able to save detected motion to a network drive. I've tried all the basic ones at Frys electronics and they suck. clunky controls and don't even really work right.
 

Kaido

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The only major requirement would be able to save detected motion to a network drive. I've tried all the basic ones at Frys electronics and they suck. clunky controls and don't even really work right.

Foscam is my default recommendation. They are cheap and the software reflects that, but they do work pretty well. The non-HD model is $62:

http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8910W...dp/B006ZP8UOW/

The HD model is $118:

http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI9821W...dp/B00F3KWZW8/

I will warn you that wireless connectivity stinks; I run Ethernet to all of mine. The benefit of the HD model is that it has a built-in SD slot (max 32GB), so you can just save motion captures straight to the device, which is a little more convenient:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/RHrRVfb-8H0/maxresdefault.jpg

The Blue Iris software ($45) is a more powerful option:

http://foscam.us/blue-iris.html

Other than that, maybe a Dropcam would do what you want:

https://www.dropcam.com/
 

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Dropcam introduces Tabs:

https://www.dropcam.com/products/tabs

More info here: (video)

http://blog.dropcam.com/look-whats-next/

It's basically a tiny Bluetooth-based motion tracker for doors & windows opening & closing and for the moving of stuff. It requires a Dropcam Pro and must be within 100 feet of the camera. Cost is $29 each and ships this summer. They are also dust & water resistant, so they can be used outdoors. These are actually pretty clever...couple a Dropcam & Tabs along with some wifi-controlled LED lights and you have the majority of a basic smarthouse system1
 

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Dropcam introduces Tabs:

https://www.dropcam.com/products/tabs

More info here: (video)

http://blog.dropcam.com/look-whats-next/

It's basically a tiny Bluetooth-based motion tracker for doors & windows opening & closing and for the moving of stuff. It requires a Dropcam Pro and must be within 100 feet of the camera. Cost is $29 each and ships this summer. They are also dust & water resistant, so they can be used outdoors. These are actually pretty clever...couple a Dropcam & Tabs along with some wifi-controlled LED lights and you have the majority of a basic smarthouse system1
Thanks for the help. I'll look at them when I get home.
Foscam is my default recommendation. They are cheap and the software reflects that, but they do work pretty well. The non-HD model is $62:

http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8910W...dp/B006ZP8UOW/

The HD model is $118:

http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI9821W...dp/B00F3KWZW8/

I will warn you that wireless connectivity stinks; I run Ethernet to all of mine. The benefit of the HD model is that it has a built-in SD slot (max 32GB), so you can just save motion captures straight to the device, which is a little more convenient:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/RHrRVfb-8H0/maxresdefault.jpg

The Blue Iris software ($45) is a more powerful option:

http://foscam.us/blue-iris.html

Other than that, maybe a Dropcam would do what you want:

https://www.dropcam.com/
 

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Wink wants to simplify the smart home with a universal app and $80 hub:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/23/wink-hub-smart-home-platform/

You've probably never heard of Wink, but you may soon encounter its logo ("Wink app ready") or its smart home router (the "Wink Hub") the next time you go shopping at Home Depot. The logo will appear on a range of WiFi-connected devices from different manufacturers, including air conditioners from GE and thermostats from Honeywell, signifying that they can all be controlled via the Wink app for Android and iOS. The hub unit, which will go on sale July 7th priced at $80, will act as a secondary router for Wink-compatible devices that communicate over Bluetooth, Z-Wave or Zigbee wireless protocols instead of regular WiFi -- it's something Wink describes as a reluctant but necessary addition in order for these other sorts of devices to be easily controlled via its platform

Speaking of smart home "platforms," now might seem like a strange time for a newcomer to try to build one, what with Google creating its own empire out of Nest and Dropcam, Apple pushing HomeKit, not to mention other eager players like Revolv and SmartThings also getting into the mix. But Wink isn't any back-of-an-envelope startup. It's an offshoot of Quirky, which is already producing hoardes of Wink-compatible devices, plus the platform has some major partners on board: the aforemention GE and Honeywell, plus Philips, Rachio and around ten others. Besides, if future devices can happily support numerous platforms, without forcing consumers to pick one and stick to it, then a bit of jostling between rivals could be a very good thing.

So now it's going to be Google vs. Apple vs. everyone else for DIY'ers, haha.
 

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I will warn you that wireless connectivity stinks; I run Ethernet to all of mine. The benefit of the HD model is that it has a built-in SD slot (max 32GB), so you can just save motion captures straight to the device, which is a little more convenient:

My wireless router is upstairs and cameras will be downstairs.

I wonder if powerline networking connected to router downstairs would suffice?
 

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Another update from Nest: "Nest devices start talking to Google, washing machines and your car"

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/nest-developer-program-begins/

Nest's Learning Thermostat and Protect smoke detector are now part of a much, much larger universe. The company has just launched a developer program that lets third-party apps and devices talk to Nest hardware, making it do things that aren't possible through official software. The initiative is kicking off with a whole host of partnerships in place, in many cases with feature updates either available now or due in the near future. Chamberlain's garage doors can now tell your Nest thermostat when you're home, while Mercedes-Benz lets you check the temperature on the road; Logitech's Harmony Ultimate remote can lower the heat in mid-movie, and Jawbone's Up24 fitness tracker can tell Nest when you wake up.

This isn't strictly one-way interaction, either -- Nest gear can control other gadgets under the right conditions. If a Protect discovers smoke, it can tell LIFX light bulbs to flash red and have IFTTT's phone app text the neighbors. Whirlpool, meanwhile, is going the distance by linking the equipment to its washers and dryers. Nest's thermostat can not only have Whirlpool machines keep your clothes fresh until you get home, but delay the start of a given cycle to avoid a peak energy consumption period and save money, if you're using the right power provider.

And yes, the program will eventually include support from Nest's parent company, Google. Come the fall, Google voice commands will let you set the temperature on your thermostat; Google Now, in turn, will optionally heat or cool your home as soon as you set off on your commute. It's ironic that Nest's owner will be late to the home automation party, but the first wave of developers should give you plenty to do while you're waiting.

This is going to be HUGE.
 

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I hope we'll be able to finally get additional temp sensors to be picked up by the nest and adjust according to their temp.
 

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I received an email this week that my Almond+ and sensors are shipping next week. Pretty neat device despite the fact that I am going to have to hack together a Windows Phone app for it.
 

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Its hard to understand what this thing actually is.

Check in on the status of all your smart devices directly on the Sentri screen or through the mobile app, and integrate views of all your smart devices’ activities and trends in one view.

Seems like its just a small tablet that lets you modify all your other smart locks/lights and whatnot.
 

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GE Announces Line of 'Link' Smart LED Light Bulbs, Starting at $15:

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/28/ge-link-smart-led-bulbs/

Wellllllll that's pretty cheap! It does require a GE Link Hub (Zigbee-based), but you can buy a starter bundle for $50 at Home Depot, which includes the hub & two smart LED bulbs - that's a pretty awesome deal:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-Link-...-2-Pack-and-Gateway-Hub-PBNDL-SBQH/205311040e
I thought I read that hub supports more than Zigbee.. I hope it does, I was thinking about trying one of these systems out..
 
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I'm finishing school up this year and I'm looking to move into a starter home next year (I keep saying that & then I keep going back to school, haha), so I've been working on planning out what kind of home automation features I'd like to integrate - thought I'd share the list. It's basically split into two divisions: off-the-shelf equipment, and equipment that requires a central hub.

I haven't decided on a central hub yet. The two choices are to go commercial or to go the DIY route. Out of all of the commercial systems I've seen, I like Control4 the best. Very reliable, very snappy. I got some good hands-on time in their "Smart RV" at a trade show and really liked their setup. As far as DIY goes, I like Zwave (the Veralite control hub, specifically) and Indigo Domotics (runs on a Mac, but gives you a lot more flexibility). Indigo now has Zwave support as well, which is awesome since you can basically program the system to do whatever you want.

Going the Control4 route would be more expensive, but you'd get vendor-backed reliability and when you go to sell your home, it's included as part of the deal. The downside of the DIY route is that you have to rely on yourself to make everything work, and especially in the case of Indigo, where it runs on a computer, you'd have to include a computer package for the next homeowner, teach them how to use it, etc. Vera's system is a little better because it's a standalone router type of device, but it's still not as reliable as a commercial system like Control4, so it's kind of a toss-up. With Indigo, I'd get an amazing amount of control over not only what equipment goes into my system, but also how I choose to control it. With Vera, I'd get an easy "set & forget" type of hub. With Control4, it's a system & service that covers the A to Z for you, which is nice. I'm not sure if they still have a DIY starter system available or not:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/28/control4-starter-kit-hands-on/

A quick laundry list of hub-controlled devices I'd want covered:

1. Lights (on/off/dim)
2. Blinds (motorized blackout & sunscreen blinds)
3. Door & window sensors
4. Garage door
5. Motion sensors
6. Ceiling fans
7. Mitsubishi Mr. Slims (per-room HVAC)

The one concern I have right now is the Mr. Slims (mini-split ductless system), which are pretty behind the times control-wise for such an advanced HVAC product. It's basically an ultra-zoned system - instead of a whole-house HVAC (traditional) or a "zoned" HVAC system (ex. 1st story & 2nd story split), it's a per-room system, which gives each user individual control of their room temperature. Plus, you're (1) not paying to heat & cool dozens or hundreds of feet of ductwork, and (2) not paying to heat & cool the entire house, just individual rooms. I have several friends with this system installed & it's really awesome, especially with the new high-heat models if you live in a heavy winter area.

The downside is they have near-zero smarthome integration in the U.S. You can hack it with IR commands, but that's pretty crummy because you miss out on the advanced features like setting a specific temperature. They do have a Wifi adapter over in Europe, but there's not much in the way of integration or availability in the US yet:

http://www.innovations.mitsubishi-les.com/en/controls/wifi-adapter

I know that Nest recently opened up a third-party developer program, so I'm hoping that Mitsubishi will get on the ball & do some further integration with that:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/nest-developer-program-begins/

Nest also partnered up with Control4 last year for integration, so really the only thing that is missing is native support for the Mitsubishi units: (which is primarily on Mitsubishi's end, to bring that Wifi adapter to the US, and then for C4/Nest to integrate it with a driver)

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/25/nest-unveils-web-app-developer-program/

Bottom line though, the controller hub is not something that I'd want to fiddle with after installation. I want to use my iPhone as a simple remote control - pull out my phone, open the app, turn off the lights or turn on the fan or whatever. Control4 is the fastest & most reliable way I've seen to do that. I'm not really interested in the more complex systems like Crestron or Savant. It needs to work 100% of the time and have a high WAF, and also be able to be included with the house sale if I were to move, so Control4 is the top contender right now, especially since I'm looking to do more "home automation" (basic control) than "smarthome" type of stuff & it could carry over to a new owner like an alarm system. The rest of the system would pretty much just be using off-the-shelf equipment: (doesn't necessarily need to integrate with the central controller hub since I just want to use my smartphone as a remote control, rather than do advanced smarthome programming)

1. Movies: The idea here is "whole house movies". I already have this setup. All of my screens have Roku 3 players on them, which are running apps like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Vudu (which includes UltraViolet digital movie support), Youtube, Vimeo, and Plex. Plex is the big seller here - I've ripped all of the movies I own, plus family movies from old VHS tapes and whatnot, so everything is accessible from the Roku players. I used to run a NAS, but since local store is large & cheap these days, we just run it off our kitchen computer (Hackintosh). As far as screens go, I have an LED projector for my home theater, a Mitsubishi DLP for my living room TV (daytime viewing), and a small LCD in front of my elliptical machine (watching Netflix makes cardio 100% more fun haha). I also use my LED projector for outdoor movie parties with my 12' inflatable screen from Walmart; that would be easy with an extension cord & the Roku on Wifi.

2. Music: The idea here is "whole house audio". I used to manage a large iTunes library, but not so much anymore. I don't really like iTunes, but since I'm in the Apple universe, I use it. However, I recently switched to Spotify (20 million songs for $10 a month, or $5 a month as a student, with offline downloading so you don't have to use your cellular connection to stream if you don't want to) and really like it. I looked into Sonos, but because they don't have native support for Apple's Airplay, it's kind of pointless since I can get the same functionality using Airfoil Remote, again with my kitchen PC as the server. A nice multi-zone amplifier runs about $500 for 6 areas with individual inputs per area, so it'd simply be a matter of sticking a $99 Airport Express on each input. That way each room could have different music, or you could sync up the same music to several rooms. Since there are several people in my house, that's nice because we can also listen to whatever we want, wherever we want, without overlapping (similar concept to the Mr. Slims - individual room control for HVAC AND music!). I do really like the HTD Lync system, which would be nice for an in-house intercom as well as front door entry intercom for visitors & package delivery people, and could probably be integrated with Airplay for my desired setup without too much difficulty.

3. Security: Not a big fan of security systems (alarms), but I do want to add more cameras. I'm using a Foscam network webcam as a baby monitor, but it'd be nice to have some more cameras floating around for motion triggers and for say driveway alerts or to keep an eye on the smoker/grill/kids in the backyard. There are some nice low-end models like Zmodo & Swann, but I'd probably go with a QNAP Surveillance NAS since it works off-the-shelf with a huge variety of cameras, such as AXIS cameras. If the budget is available, I'd really like to use HD cameras (because they're cool) and thermal cameras (because they're cool AND available, haha).

4. Smoke alarms: Nest Protect, of course. Built-in wifi & smartphone alerts for smoke & carbon monoxide, plus a variety of other nifty features. Simple OOTB setup with the ability to link multiple units to your account. I like that.

5. Fireplace: My in-laws put in a gas fireplace a few years ago that is really neat - runs off the gas line to the house. Hit a button on the wall, voila, instant fire, with optional heating. Super convenient! Escea has a nice lineup of gas fireplaces that work with a smartphone app for control.

6. Kitchen tablet: One of the coolest products to come out recently is the HP Slate 21 Pro ($379), which is a 21" Android tablet. It's basically just a repurposed 2-finger touchscreen monitor with an Android motherboard inside, but it works pretty well & it's super cheap for what you get. You can mount it to a VESA swing arm (like one from Monitors in Motion). It can browse the net (recipe sites), store information (like keeping your favorite recipes in the Evernote app), run Pandora/Spotify/Netflix for background entertainment while you cook, keep a shopping list with a notes app, sync up the family calendar on Gmail, etc. Really slick. The Pro model includes HDMI pass-through, so if you want to hook up a cable box or computer or whatever, you can kill two birds with one stone. And it's a 1080p IPS monitor, so you get a pretty nice picture as well.

7. Network: I used to do PFsense, FreeNAS, Gigabit switch, etc. but I think it's easier just to run something like a nice high-end Asus 802.11n or 802.11ac router with Gigabit built-in. I do prefer wired Gigabit connections, so I'd run that to all of the relevant areas (kitchen PC, kitchen tablet, Roku players, etc.), but other than that, not much in the way of network needs. We keep our main computer in the kitchen as kind of a mini-office space, along with the tablet for basic kitchen duties, and I have a Chromebook as the couch surfer.

8. Sprinkler System: Either a Cyber Rain or Rachio Iro smart irrigation system. These are easier to program than traditional sprinkler system controllers and have some added features like monitoring the weather for rain to see if it needs to water the lawn or not. These can also be tied into water conservation systems like Rain Hog or an Island Sky outdoor dehumidifier if your area is prone to water shortages.

9. Energy Monitoring: Power monitor is one area that I feel hasn't really come very far. Ideally, I'd like each outlet to have a networked Kill-a-Watt meter in it to see exactly how much each appliance is costing me, what I can turn off, etc. Basically just realtime monitoring of power consumption, along with aggregated data for figuring out how much you're spending & on what. I know there are some sub-meters that do some basic networking if you have tenants; the Power Meter Store has a bunch of nice options, including The Energy Detective, which looks to be a pretty good system. Not that it's an overly huge deal because it's not like you're going to shut off your fridge or TV or anything, but it'd be cool to track it & have that information available, especially since my long-term plans includes a DIY backyard solar array

So to kind of summarize my goals:

1. Simple, reliable home automation (simple = high WAF)
2. FAST response (no delays in sending commands, which is something Control4 impressed me with)
3. Use a computer or smartphone as a remote control
4. Offsite access (away from home - cameras, HVAC, etc.)
5. Failover backup on all devices (i.e. lights still work via wall switch if home automation hub is broken)
6. Zero or low-maintenance systems (not something to tinker with because it breaks all the time)

I'm glad that Indigo added Zwave support, since X10 has a pretty bad reputation as far as reliability goes & INSTEON has a spotty one, although they've improved somewhat since adding the dual-band RF wireless mesh networking stuff on top of the powerline communication protocol. But that requires leaving a computer on & is something of a headache when you move, if you leave all of your smarthome equipment in the house.

I thought long & hard about going with a full smarthome system, but it doesn't really make sense for what I desire. Home automation is more of an "in addition to" type of setup for me - you can turn on the light switches via the wall switch, and in addition, you can use your iPhone to turn them all on or off. Simple. I have a buddy who puts in high-end installs (stuff that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars) and they get pretty crazy with the smarthome aspect & "fluff" features, but I want to keep it pretty basic & low-maintenance.
 

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So if you already have a zigbee hub, do you need the GE Hub?

via CEPro:

Will the bulbs integrate with other ZigBee-enabled hubs besides Wink’s? Not yet, Lavelle tells us: “For now, Wink is our preferred platform for GE Link bulbs. This will help consumers navigate the connected home market because it is an open platform and can connect with multiple devices.”

That's a pretty funny statement - apparently you need special ZigBee gear from GE to make it work on the "open platform"
 

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I thought I read that hub supports more than Zigbee.. Ihope it does, I was thinking about trying one of these systems out..


Edit 2: OK yup, found confirmation that they are separate devices here:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2460223,00.asp

The Link Hub is available standalone here:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-Link-Gateway-Hub-PQHUB-WH01/205404444

So the Wink Hub is $80, the Link Hub is $30, and the Link Bulbs are $15. The bundle is $50 and includes the Link Hub ($30) and two bulbs ($30 total), so you save $10 on the combo - nice. I'm not sure if the Link Hub is Link-only compatible or a range extender or what. It is definitely a standalone unit, so I think the Link Hub is for home automation (basic on/off remote control type of stuff) and the Wink Hub will probably be the "smarthome" portion that adds stuff like timers & other automation. For $80, I'll definitely pick one up!

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Edit: I'm not 100% sure if the Wink Hub is the Link Hub on the 2-pack combo from Home Depot. They're both shipping at the same time (early July), but the Wink Hub is supposed to be $79 and the Home Depot kit is only $49. The lights are $15 each, so that would mean the Link Hub is only $20 by itself. I'd imagine this Link Hub is like a range extender for the Wink Hub. If that's the case, then the Wink Hub would be the brains of the operation (scheduling etc.), but the Link Hub could optionally be a standalone device for direct control via the Wink app for smartphones:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-Link-...b-2-Pack-and-Gateway-Hub-PBNDL-SBQH/205311040

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That is correct. via CEPro:

Wink Home Automation Hub Supports Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Z-Wave, ZigBee, Lutron Caseta

The GE Wink hub is actually pretty slick because it supports their Wifi-based "Internet of Things" (by Quirky) plus third-party stuff; short of a computer-based system with USB adapters, I don't know of any other hub that supports BT, Zwave, and Zigbee all in one device. Plus it has an open API; they are expected to add 15 partner companies with 60 products, such as Honeywell (thermostats I'd imagine), Philips (probably the Hue bulb), Rachio (the new smart sprinkler system), etc. Plus it supports Lutron's Caseta RF-based communication system, which has a lot of support for stuff like Serena motorized blinds:

http://www.cepro.com/article/lutron_rf_could_disrupt_z-wave_in_low-cost_home_automation/

Caseta is also integrated with Alarm.com:

http://www.alarm.com/

The Wink homepage is located here:

http://www.winkapp.com/

The Wink is pretty compelling if you want to use a variety of different devices. One of their taglines is "No more switching between apps." It's coming out in July with built-in support for 5 protocols:

1. Wifi
2. Bluetooth
3. Zwave Plus
4. ZigBee
5. Lutron ClearConnect Wireless (that's their RF-based Caseta line)

If this works as well as I think it might, then this will be HUGE, especially since they've partnered with Home Depot. Imagine running down to the local big-box store, picking up a hub & some devices, and getting everything setup in a free afternoon. Super awesome. This could be the next Veralite device...
 
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