Smart Home & Home Automation discussion thread

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Kaido

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Google's $200 'OnHub' router tries to fix complicated WiFi:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/18/google-router-onhub-wifi/

OnHub is a redesigned router from Google that promises a quick and stable WiFi connection built around an easy-to-use app. OnHub features 4GB of storage space for updates, 13 antennas (six 2.4GHz, six 5GHz and one to monitor congestion), and it provides WiFi speeds of up to 1900 Mbps. It also has "subtle, useful lighting," according to the Google blog. Users can manipulate OnHub via an app for iOS and Android, with an option to prioritize certain devices for faster streaming and connection speeds. The router updates automatically without interrupting its WiFi output and it supports smart devices via Bluetooth Smart Ready, Weave or 802.15.4. The debut OnHub device is made in collaboration with TP-Link, though Google says it will design more OnHub devices with other partners, including a model from ASUS due later this year.

OnHub costs $200 and pre-orders are live now from a handful of retailers, with shipments expected to roll out "in the coming weeks."

Google's aim is to put OnHub in the center of your living room, not hidden on the floor or behind closed doors where the signal often loses power, Google Product Manager Trond Wuellner tells Wired. The outer shell comes in blue or black to begin with, but it's removable and more color options are on the way, Wuellner says.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNnfHP7VDP8

The interesting bit is the home automation features:

http://linuxgizmos.com/googles-wifi-router-runs-linux-offers-home-automation-hooks/

The 802.11a/b/g/n/ac router is said to offer bandwidth of up to 1900Mbps, with sessions protected with while implementing WPA2-PSK and TPM security. It also supports Bluetooth Smart Ready and 802.15.4, the protocol behind Zigbee and the emerging Google-backed Thread alternative to ZigBee. According to Google, the OnHub will also support Weave, Google’s upcoming IoT protocol, which will work with its lightweight, Android-based Brillo OS for IoT devices.

Currently the OnHub works with smart devices including the Nest products, and support will be added for many more, says Google. Indeed, the router could emerge as the missing smart hub part of the Nest ecosystem, which uses more of a peer-to-peer approach to home automation. This supports the likely trend in which typically Linux-based home automation hubs will disappear into the router on the one hand, and the cloud-enabled mobile apps on the other.

Made by TP-Link & available for pre-order. Google blog post here:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/meet-onhub-new-router-for-new-way-to-wi.html
 

Kaido

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BloomSky personal weather station:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/19/becoming-a-rain-detective-with-a-backyard-weather-station/

Looks like this was originally a funded Kickstarter project...pretty neat! Super local weather information for $169. Solar panel add-on for $119, or $269 if you bundle. Mounting kit for $39. Website:

https://www.bloomsky.com/

This would be neat when paired with something like Eve Irrigation, which uses ground stakes to measure soil dampness:

http://www.eveirrigation.com/
 

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Is there a thread on AnandTech devoted to Smartthings (particularly Samsung Smartthings Hub, aka STv2)? I've searched and can't find anything. How about elsewhere? I don't find the Smartthings community to be very independent or informative.
 

Kaido

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Is there a thread on AnandTech devoted to Smartthings (particularly Samsung Smartthings Hub, aka STv2)? I've searched and can't find anything. How about elsewhere? I don't find the Smartthings community to be very independent or informative.

Currently no, just this & the Wink thread. You jumping on one? I'm holding out until it gets some mileage on the v2 system...my Wink system is finally working pretty decently & I don't want to go through all that again with a new box until it's been proven first
 

CAL7

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....You jumping on one?
Yup, ordered the discounted kit on Day 2 for $99. Just a side note: it's refreshing to see reasonable, as in $0, shipping charges - always struck me the wrong way that Wink wanted $14 for a single small device.

I've gotten no information from ST about an expected ship date, hence looking for other info sources.
 

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Today I have jumped in to the HA game. What a crazy market/ecosystem. Just to read about a product (In my case a hub) on the internet is a real pain. Every article I read seems to refer to a different iteration of product, sometime a completely different capability or roadmap or hardware vendor. Always make sure to find the date of the article of discussion of these products!

This has been my experience as I have recently researched and attempted to buy the Staples Connect (software by Zonoff).

Originally the Staples Connect was a hub by Linksys, whoever they are these days. I used to use a Linksys router before they were bought by Cisco, now they are spun off again? Anyway that product is obsolete although Staples still sells them.

The new product is called the same thing but is made by D-Link.

http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marketing/staples-connect/staples-connect.html

I also used to use one of D-Links 655 routers. This new Staples Connect "powered by" D-Link falls into the category of thermos-shaped PCs, routers, and hubs : Apple, Google, Amazon all seem to have bought into this new trend. SO D-Link has black cylindrical routers and this wireless hub with a wired connection to your router looks like them.

I chose this product for a few reasons:

good ecosystem
better than Wink
wired connection to my router
does not need to get on the internet/cloud to work
works with multiple phone/tablet ecosystems
seems to be getting more and more compatibility
Staples also is selling the Amazon Echo, Amazon used to sell this thing
Seems to work best with all the Lutron/Pico stuff

I went to the one of the local Staples store (the first one didn't even have Home Automation stuff - rant for another day about terrible brick and mortar marketing people and usually not stocking what is cheerfully marketed on the web) and of course they only had the obsolete Linksys ancient looking hub. The store prominently features the new hub bolted to the display shelves with a slew of different home automation products. Did they have any of them in stock or now ANYTHING about them? Of course not OK I am ranting now. So I had to come home and order this thing from my computer and wait until well after the weekend is over to get it. After they told me they had one in stock.

Now, I am also considering getting the Amazon Echo because I feel that while walking around controlling things with a phone or tablet when I am 13 feet away from a switch is a little silly sometimes, saying "turn off the overhead lights" while typing or gamiing or cooking or watching a movie could really be nice. My hope is that Echo will integrate with the Staples Connect as it is with some other devices and hubs.

Even if it doesn't I will likely own both the Staples Connect and the Echo because I am thinking they both are worth using for convenience as well as for entertainment.

I am not ambitious in my plans for home automation right now. I have an older home with old windows and older appliances (except for my nice LG washer). No basement, no flooding issues. I have a honeywell programmable thermostat and I don't think I can save any more money on heating and electricity with out getting all new windows.

So I just want to start small and stable, control some lights and maybe a few cameras outside.

So after reading a few recent reviews where the SC was praised as a very good all-around hub and this quote from reddit

I have a mixture of Lutron and Zigbee. I started with Wink, but switched to Staples. If you want to control a non-Lutron device with a pico then the Staples hub is the only way I've found to do it.
With Wink you can only directly use a Pico remote to control a Lutron switch or lamp module. You can then create a robot to watch that other device and turn other things on/off. At least as of February that's how it worked. It was also painfully slow. Tap a button on the pico and it would take 3 - 20 seconds to turn on GE Link lights.
The same setup with Staples Connect allows me to map the Pico buttons to any activity (or change modes). I have two rooms that only have GE Link lights and Pico remotes. And when I hit the button on the Pico the lights come on within a second. You usually can't tell the difference between that setup and just hitting the button on a wired Lutron wall switch. It really makes the system "real" where when I used the Wink it felt like a toy.
I don't have any z-wave, but the Staples Supports them. I'll probably start adding some micro switches next month. It also integrates with my Nest, although it can't use the home/away to trigger events at this time, although you can use activities/modes on the connect to set those on the Nest.
I've recently installed Picos in our cars so that when we leave the house the off button sets the Nest away, and turns off all the lights. The on button then sets the Nest to home, and turn on the entrance lights to the house.
I don't see many people discussing Staples Connect here, so let me know if you have any questions as I'm now using it to drive everything in my fledgling system.

I read that the SmartThings was very complex to setup and change (and with this HA you will always be changing things). Also it seems that with Wink and SmartThings, your automations are kept in the cloud? No thanks. I want to be able to turn on emergency lighting when there is no internet.

Here is a quick non-technical review from this month from someone who actually has three of the top hubs. As for me I don't want to spend hours and hours concocting a super deep hierarchy of groups and systems. If I did I would be developing my own HA system! And also I deal with this kind of architecting/infrastucrure stuff a lot at work!

http://zatznotfunny.com/2014-08/battle-of-the-home-automation-hubs/

I pulled the trigger on the SC.

Who's with me? </Pirate emoji>
 
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CAL7

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Nice summary. I had many of the same criteria, but with six months' of Wink experience, I'm headed towards SST (on order). I have concerns about Lutron Clear Connect support, but I'm gambling it will come in time; or find an acceptable coexistence with Wink for that functionality.
 

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Nice summary. I had many of the same criteria, but with six months' of Wink experience, I'm headed towards SST (on order). I have concerns about Lutron Clear Connect support, but I'm gambling it will come in time; or find an acceptable coexistence with Wink for that functionality.

Yeah it is a risk no matter which road you go down. I guess you have to go with what seems to meet the most needs now and in the forseeable future, which is shrouded in "the fog of war".

My biggest concern about the Staples Connect is what will Zonoff do? Will they continue to improve the interface for the SC, make it work with the Echo (which I believe has really proved to have an amazing voice interface for home automation). They do the interface for ADT apparently, so they may be like a huge ship which is difficult to turn.

So far SC seems to have good current useability as well as future potential, with pretty decent tech support (again linked to Zonoff).

Echo now works with IFTTT, but would that introduce painful latencies or cloud dependencies? I don't know as I am pretty much a noob at this point.
 
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Kaido

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Echo now works with IFTTT, but would that introduce painful latencies or cloud dependencies? I don't know as I am pretty much a noob at this point.

IFTTT can take like 15 minutes sometimes, it's pretty nutty.
 

Kaido

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LG SmartThinQ Sensor makes dumb appliances smart(er):

The new SmartThinQ Sensor can be attached to an existing device, allowing you to connect your air conditioner, washing machine, kitchen appliances, or other hardware to the internet and communicate with it from a phone, tablet, or other internet-connected gadget.

The SmartThinQ Sensor is a small, circular device that attaches to an appliance to send an alert to your phone when a laundry cycle has finished, when food in your refrigerator is approaching its expiration date, or how often the refrigerator door has been opened, among other things.

It can also let you use your phone as a remote control to adjust your air conditioner or other appliances remotely.

More details coming later this week at the IFA show.
 

Kaido

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Philips improves upon its color-changing lightstrips:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/03/philips-hue-lightstrips-2015-ifa/

With the second-generation hardware, the company has basically been ticking off each of these problems as it goes. It can now offer tunable white light between 2,000 and 6,500K, so you'll now be able to use these as regular bulbs. Secondly, you can now extend the strips up to 10 meters by tacking on up to eight single-meter extensions to the 2-meter base unit. In addition, Philips has boosted the output of the bulbs themselves to 1,600 lumens -- a far cry from the 120 lumens found in the original.

...the Lightstrip Plus will be available next month, with the two-meter unit (and power adapter) priced at $90/&#8364;80, with subsequent one meter extensions costing you $30/&#8364;25.

Nice!
 

LegendKiller

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This looks awesome but I can't really justify the price, $700 for 4 rooms? Anyone reserve be yet?
Yeah, I went around and counted my house. It would be almost 3k. I could probably get 3 zones put into my house for that. Pretty ridiculous.
 

Kaido

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2015 Nest Protect review:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/16/nest-protect-review-2015/

Still wish it had the wave-to-silence feature (I smoke out my kitchen on a regular basis), but I understand why. At least it has an escalating alarm volume & can be silenced via an app (or stepstool):

a female voice says to you, "Heads up. There's smoke in the living room. The alarm may sound." Then, if the problem gets worse: "Emergency! There's smoke in the living room!" Both of these are preceded and followed by alarms: a quieter one for the warning and an ear-piercing tone for actual emergencies.

Before all hell breaks loose, while the Protect is in warning mode, hitting the large button on the device or using the app turns off the alarm. After some issues with a feature on the first-generation Protect that gave users the option of waving their hand to shut off the alarm, Nest removed it. The device was misinterpreting movements in the home as hand waves and disabling the initial warning. Not something you want happening during an emergency. But, you can still use the app to silence warnings if you're under six feet tall and don't want to keep a stepladder near your detectors. Once the Protect determines that the smoke or carbon monoxide level is at a dangerous level, you can't turn off the alarm until the perceived threat has cleared. This is a legal requirement to keep people from deactivating detectors and ignoring a potentially dangerous situation.
 

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Yeah, I went around and counted my house. It would be almost 3k. I could probably get 3 zones put into my house for that. Pretty ridiculous.

Very pricey. You can hack something together with Zwave for $60-$100 per vent, and $15-$50 per temp sensor, but you wouldn't have the clean UI.
 

Kaido

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Logitech unveils Dropcam competitor:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/30/logi-circle-camera/

I like Dropcams, but their Nestcam update has gotten horrible reviews. The Logitech Circle camera also one-ups it in features:

* $199, due out in October
* Wifi HD camera
* 1080p resolution (although 720p is better for wifi)
* Unplug & stream for up to 3 hours (awesome if you have kids!)
* 2-way voice chat
* iOS & Android apps
* Free 24 hours of cloud recording (full day rewind)
* "Day Brief," which algorithmically produces a sped up video of the day's highlights
* Filters all of the video and surfaces the most interesting segments when browsing apps

No word on offline (without the cloud) functionality or local recording (best guess is it won't have it), but that's a pretty mean package for the price. I'm very interested in this because I'd like a replacement baby cam (bonus points for battery functionality!) & the Dropcam app doesn't let you add multiple accounts, which I already use at work for equipment monitoring.
 

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Lowes has joined the Zigbee alliance and apparently has new and very reasonably-priced sensors that will work with platforms other than Iris. The SmartThings guys report some success with the open/close and motion sensors:

https://community.smartthings.com/t/lowes-iris-sensors-new-centralite-models/24367

Apparently at least the motion sensor also has a temperature sensor; I believe the open/close sensor may as well. If I get time this afternoon, I may go grab one and test it with my Wink and SmartThing hubs. I believe the price is $25 for open/close and $28 for motion; both are reasonable especially if both do contain temp sensors.
 
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Kaido

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Yale lock by Nest:

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/nest-embraces-good-ol-yale-locks-make-smart-homes-smarter/

Nest also announced Nest Weave (Works with Nest integration tools) & a Nestcam API:

http://www.cnet.com/news/nest-partners-with-yale-on-lock-design-announces-nest-cam-api/

Neat concepts, glad to see them doing more integration. Unfortunately their Nestcam is getting really horrible reviews. I like their Dropcams, but those also lack things like integrating multiple accounts (ex. using both work cams & home cams). Personally, I already have a Schlage smart lock, which is great, and I just picked up a Honeywell Wifi Thermostat, which has a GUI that I really prefer over Nest (I like home automation, which is a step up from manual control, rather than smarthome features, which has more guessing & estimating involved on the software side of things), and I'm planning on picking up Logitech's new Circle camera (similar to the Nestcam, but also has a battery that lasts a few hours for wireless usage), so I'm kind of going a similar route as the Nest ecosystem, just minus the integration.
 

Kaido

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I'd also really like to get a Ring doorbell, but the side of my front door is a glass window, so there's no mounting options available to me due to the layout. #firstworldproblems
 
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