And all of those things only effect the health of the person doing them. Smoking on the other hand effects the health of those around you.
Lots of things are unhealthy, eating too much, drinking too much, hell exercising too much is not healthy.
And all of those things only effect the health of the person doing them. Smoking on the other hand effects the health of those around you.
Which is why you are free to, as I said, but you didn't quote because it doesn't fit your agenda, piss off and go somewhere else.
All for it. 24/7 monitoring. In fact, let's just RFID everybody up if you want insurance.
That's what the "free market" would want, right?
as somebody who works out once a day and is only slightly outside of ideal weight and doesn't drink soda or eat fastfood, I'd love for all of you unhealthy fatties to get off of my dole. I'm tired of this socialist insurance bullshit. Pay your own way.
huh? Those are not good examples if you are trying to show smoking as just another thing thats unhealthy for you. It affects other people. You don't have the right to infringe on others rights.
you got mad and told me to piss off because you dont want to walk down this path. Too bad. This is the path.
No little boy, I said that if you don't like smoking, you can piss off and go to an establishment that doesn't allow it.
What a joke you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Here you are arguing to infringe on peoples rights, and crying about your rights being infringed on.
Huh? How do you think insurance rates were dictated before Obamacare?
Yes we understand your simple minded argument. Just because you can articulate the entire stance in one sentence doesn't make it correct.
No one has the right to pollute the air around you and do physical harm to your body so they can enjoy a cig. You are infringing on the rights of others by doing so.
You have the nerve to call anyone else argument "simple minded", you are such a joke. Your entire argument is an epic failure because no one forces you to hang around smokers, no forces you to patronize establishments that allow smoking.
I notice you left out the working environment. This is what I'm talking about. Not "hanging out" or "patronizing". Jeezus christ you are dense.
Whats the difference? Do you not choose your place of employment?
I see we will go round and round on this issue. consuming second hand smoke shouldnt be on the pros and cons lists of why one should take a job.
Your thinking = people make poor choices in life and if they choose to do poorly in school and in life and have to take a job like this then fuck them. It was their choice. Now they die...
Normal people = It is unreasonable to expect people to work in a smoke filled room for 40 to 60 hours a week just like its unreasonable to expect a miner to mine coal without respirators and ventilation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker%27s_pneumoconiosis#History_and_prevention_efforts
Wow we don't have to look far to find something very close to what we are talking about. You lose. inbred trash.
No, they don't have to, they can find another job, it may not pay as well though, they may have to sacrifice something, or they can take their chances. Its called risk vs reward. We all make choices in our life in our life. No one is "forced" to take a job, they are there because its better than not taking the job.
You argue like you're 12 years old.
So you ignore my coal miner wiki link? Hmmm?
So you ignore my coal miner wiki link? Hmmm?
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Cole miner link is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
If the mine company was negligent in some manner they should pay for the workers death.
If the mine company was NOT negligent the miner knew the risk of mining and its not the fault of the mine company some fluke accident happens.
If I make the choice to go to a smoking establishment or work at a smoking establishment, I know the risks before I walk through the door. There is no negligent action on the part of the business owner.
I didn't ignore it, theres just really nothing to say about it that wasn't already covered in this thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking <-- read up guys.
Its not that I don't think hazards exist JSt0rm, they do.
and you want poor people to take them for your comfort. I come from the poor, I know what its like. I was bussing tables in a smoke filled room when I was 15 years old. How the fuck is that ok?
That was my choice? I fed my mom and brother on that. Fuck you.
and you want poor people to take them for your comfort. I come from the poor, I know what its like. I was bussing tables in a smoke filled room when I was 15 years old. How the fuck is that ok?
That was my choice? I fed my mom and brother on that. Fuck you.
That's easy for you to say but practice is something a bit less effective, especially considering that this type of activity can disqualify more jobs than qualify since smoke affects an entire area, affecting not one job, but dozens.
Smoking is a vile habit that has massive secondary effects and huge societal ones. The costs of smoking are distributed society wide for the benefit of the few. This selfish behavior costs taxpayers, private companies, private consumers, and society as a whole a massive amount of money, probably far more than any other addiction once you consider the secondary, tertiary, and n'th order effects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_Ergonomics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_safety_and_health
^^^ look at this government take over of what people sit on!! Those people should just work somewhere else if they dont like the chairs they sit on.
What about this fool.
Harry McShane, age 16, 1908. Pulled into machinery in a factory in Cincinnati. His arm was ripped off at the shoulder and his leg broken. No compensation paid.
^^^^ he should of just not worked there eh? Free markets?
There is no way you can have a employee in a smokey environment for 40 to 60 hours a week for 30 years with no ill effects. This has to be corrected and it is being corrected on a local level.