Smoking bans for private businesses

[zsdersw]

Stop confusing private businesses with private residences/property. The employer is responsible for the employees he hires and does not have the same rights as a private property owner.

Private businesses are private property. As such, the owner can decide what legal activities will be allowed on it.

His property is a working environment for employees which means it must adhere to certain rules.

The working environment doesn't dilute his ownership rights, nor does it excuse employees from the choice they have to make about whether to work there or not.

This is not some constitutional issue, it is about maintaining a safe working environment for employees which has over a hundred years of precedence as an important matter for our civilized society.

Employees are choosing to work in a place that allows its customers to smoke. How is this the owner's responsibility?

Anyways, as much as the nanny-staters cry into their pillows at night we aren't returning to the 1800's and working environment laws will be here to stay forever. Removing second hand smoke as an unnecessary health concern for employees is just one more smart step forward.

I don't want to return to the working conditions of the 1800s (if that were even possible), but that doesn't mean I have to accept these smoking bans.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Unenforced smoking ban
The smoking ban is ruining my business at Cavill's Lounge in Taylor. I am following the law. Other bars are letting people smoke. My customers leave my place to go to another bar, where they put ashtrays out at 5 p.m. They say the Health Department quits working at 5 p.m. Another bar lets everybody smoke after 10 p.m. Another bar lets everybody smoke all day and night.
What can be done to help the people who obey the law? There are so many more bars breaking the law.
Sheryl Rellinger


This was in this mornings Detroit Free Press, letter to the Editor. Shows a free market lives in Taylor Mi!

 

[Scotteq]

I know thinking must be difficult for you. However, my post was about the fact that private businesses with employees must adhere to more rules than people on their private property.

...and I know it's difficult for you to comprehend, being all left wing and therefore inoculated with the mental disease that tells you that Governmnent/Businesses have to be made responsible for individual's personal behavior, but SMOKERS should bear the burden, responsibilities, and consequences of THEIR OWN HABITS. The rest of us (Business owners and Employers included) should not have to do it for them.

If you want to ban public smoking, then ban public smoking. If you want to ban smoking anywhere in the country where non~smokers may choose to go, then do that. If you want DYFS to take the children away from parents who smoke on the grounds that Second Hand Smoke = Child Abuse, then good luck with that.

But make the SMOKERS bear the responsibility for it - It's THEIR habit.

 

[zsdersw]

I know thinking must be difficult for you. However, my post was about the fact that private businesses with employees must adhere to more rules than people on their private property.

The only additional rule owners of private businesses should have is a requirement to fully disclose to employees (and potential employees) details about the environment they're working in including any potential health hazards. Any additional rules do nothing except remove the employee's responsibility to choose a place for work that he/she finds acceptable.

 

[zsdersw]

Unenforced smoking ban
The smoking ban is ruining my business at Cavill's Lounge in Taylor. I am following the law. Other bars are letting people smoke. My customers leave my place to go to another bar, where they put ashtrays out at 5 p.m. They say the Health Department quits working at 5 p.m. Another bar lets everybody smoke after 10 p.m. Another bar lets everybody smoke all day and night.
What can be done to help the people who obey the law? There are so many more bars breaking the law.
Sheryl Rellinger


This was in this mornings Detroit Free Press, letter to the Editor. Shows a free market lives in Taylor Mi!

Wonderful. The best thing about this is that there's potential for everyone to be happy. Smokers can go to bars that allow smoking, non-smokers can go to places that adhere to the ban. Bars have to compete with each other to get the clientele they want. It's perfect.

It also demonstrates the key point of failure in these bans: enforcement. If the ban isn't going to be enforced strictly it doesn't do anything to accomplish its goals and the patrons and employees decide where they want to go and to work (which is precisely what they should do).. making the ban useless and irrelevant.