Those are the options in your mind? What about ergonomics? Companies must be spending billions on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Psychopathy
No, he shouldn't have worked there, he should have died of starvation on the fucking streets instead.
Those are the options in your mind? What about ergonomics? Companies must be spending billions on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Psychopathy
Notice how quiet the peanut gallery got? Fucking pathetic worthless scum. Empathy is a human trait not seen in these low lifes. It requires a moderate amount of intelligence.
Those are the options in your mind? What about ergonomics? Companies must be spending billions on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Psychopathy
If there were two insurance companies, one that charged the same for everyone and one that charged based on how healthy you are, you'd go with the first wouldn't you?
The government should not force companies to provide ergonomic chairs/keyboards/shoes/whatever, the company can if they wish, or go out of business because no one will work there. Many companies improve conditions, because it improves production, which improves bottom line.
All for it. 24/7 monitoring. In fact, let's just RFID everybody up if you want insurance.
That's what the "free market" would want, right?
as somebody who works out once a day and is only slightly outside of ideal weight and doesn't drink soda or eat fastfood, I'd love for all of you unhealthy fatties to get off of my dole. I'm tired of this socialist insurance bullshit. Pay your own way.
I mean the ability to make them 100% uncovered, pre-existing for new insurance (if not fully disclosed and/or monitored).
I think the same thing about the banksters but unfortunately I gotta pay those bastards way and watch as they are exempted (both by law and failure to enforce laws) from laws the rest of us must abide by.
IMHO, those bastards are much more of a threat to our society than the smokers.
You do realize that any type of insurance is socialist in structure, right?
not really.
Sure it is. Healthy people subsidize unhealthy ones. It's a portfolio of insurance whereby those who don't use it don't get their money back even on a risk-adjusted basis and those that do use it take their money but likely don't pay 100% for it on a risk-adjusted basis.
You really don't know much about the insurance industry, do you?
Actually no, I wouldn't. However, nor would I trust the "free market" 100% of the time.
You do realize that any type of insurance is socialist in structure, right?
But they do. This is already how things work. Electrical workers are grounded so they dont fry. Window cleaners have harnesses so they dont fall and now people who work in the service industry dont have to worry about second hand smoke. That is what the issue is about - Maintaining a health work enviroment. Nothing more nothing less.
JSt0rm said:Maintaining a health work enviroment.
Yeah, its "socialist" in some way, but its voluntary, you can choose not to have it (in theory).
The people that are subsidizing the others do so because they are covered if something happens to them, they are not forced to do so though.
Are charities a form of socialism? I think you could make the argument, I give to charity though, I have no problem with people getting help from others as long as its not forced.
I have no problem with "voluntary" socialism.
They are not even close to the same thing. There are plenty of ways to allow patrons/other employees to smoke and not have patrons/ other employees that don't be exposed to it, but you don't care about that because you don't like smoking. You are nothing more than a supporter of the big government Nanny State controlling peoples action as you see fit.
Since your choices are limited and almost all companies subsidize, you're not paying the pure risk-adjusted basis, especially considering pre-existing conditions.
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There is no way you can have a employee in a smokey environment for 40 to 60 hours a week for 30 years with no ill effects. This has to be corrected and it is being corrected on a local level.
Just like electricians use grounding straps, and window washers use safety harness' than restaurants/bars can employee ventilation systems, divisions to lessen/eliminate the "danger" to other patrons/employees if they aren't willing to exercise their free will to work/patronize a non-smoking establishment.
I know, I have to make a choice though (in theory, not anymore though) I can get insurance through them or go without it. I'll choose to be covered.
So you accept socialism? Why not push for a completely free market? Doesn't that benefit you more?
Do you recognize the inevitability of it? No matter what you're always, unless you accept 100% perfect underwriting, will be subsidizing those who choose to or have to endanger themselves. There is no way around it. To perfectly underwrite 100% of the time would destroy society.
^^ At least you agree this is unhealthy.