Smoking should be outlawed!

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Frenchie

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<< the most addictive substance known to man >>


Ummm...this is a clinically proven fact. If given the choice, mice and rats will keep hitting the button for nicotine. They will pass over the button for food and water and eventually die. That is how powerful of a drug it is. Take a course on licit and illicit drugs, you will find out lots of interesting information regarding nicotine.


<<Like I said the people nade the choice so they pay the price for their choice. >>

Why should they be solely responsible for a choice that was not completely theirs? If they knew all the facts related to nicotine and smoking, then I'd agree. Given the fact that these companies blatanly lied and withheld information (which they now admit to), it was not an informed decision.


You have any loved ones addicted to nicotine? Have any loved ones die from smoking?
 

Prodigy^

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I'd give him a break.....people CAN get blinded by emotions and I doubt it's been easy for Harvey to lose friends to smoking.

a person is generally intelligent

people are genrally stupid.


hah, that's the coolest thing I've heard in a while
 

dafatha00

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yakko,

you seem to be an extremely pessimistic person. yes it is true that people ARE responsible for their own choices, but why should people have to be presented with these choices??? do you have any love for your brother man? if so, instead of criticizing them for the dumb choices that they've made, you might try to help them out by attacking the ultimate source of the problem. people are NOT perfect. i suppose you do not consider life a precious thing since you do not seem to care about other people's health and well-being.
 

Harvey

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<< You should work on that since stress can lead to heart failure which does not benefit a whole lot of people. >>

You would be amazed how much stress gets relieved when I can publically post how utterly stupid your entire line of thinking is. I never said the tobacco killers propoganda worked on everyone. I was fortunate that my parents never smoked, so it was not in my house as a behavior model.

If you don't think that the tobacco companies are guilty of selling a deadly product and lying about it, and covering up all that they knew about it to decieve the public, and bribing public officials to keep their product on the market, then you are either oblivious to any and all information sources, or you are at least as big a MORON as you think anyone who starts smoking is.

Even morons have a right to be protected against predatory marketing of deadly products. In fact, morons probably need more protection, simply because they are incapable of making an informed choice. The same is true for children, even bright ones, who have not yet developed the common sense that would later protect them. Of course, under your philosophy, it would be too late for those who are already addicted.

<< Talk about being completely blinded by emotions... >>

INFORMED, not blinded, by emotions. These assholes have killed my friends an family. My anger at the tobacco companies is immense, but it is neither uninformed nor irrational. Speaking my mind about the subject is my right as a citizen, as is acting through the legal system to bring them down. Blinded would be bombing their corporate headquarters or taking it upon myself to kill the bastards, neither of which are on my agenda.

Don't bother me again with your bullsh8 until after you sit next to a friend at the moment he dies from something like this. :|
 

Prodigy^

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I still think blaming the tobacco companies is a load of crap. then why aren't you blaming.....

car makers
airline companies

and every maker of something that has ever caused a death?
 

Philosopher

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I still think blaming the tobacco companies is a load of crap. then why aren't you blaming.....

car makers
airline companies

and every maker of something that has ever caused a death?
>>



You can't actually be serious!? If you are....LMAO!!!!!
 

Frenchie

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I still think blaming the tobacco companies is a load of crap. then why aren't you blaming.....car makers

When car manufacturers cover up defects and lie to the consumers, then they are sued and found liable.
 

konichiwa

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<<why aren't you blaming.....

car makers
airline companies

and every maker of something that has ever caused a death? >>


Because last time I checked, Ford didn't purposely put faulty tires in their cars to manipulate the consumer, and Boeing didn't put an inhalant in their &quot;fake air&quot; that gets people addicted to airplane oxygen.
 

BoberFett

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Warnings became mandatory on cigarette packaging in 1965. The surgeon general and god only knows how many government and private groups have been railing against cigarettes for decades. Anyone who has started smoking within the last 30 years knows exactly what they were getting into, and as far as I'm concerned it's their own damn fault. Fsck 'em. :|
 

SirFshAlot

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people are weak, though
why else do we have laws?
we have hedonistic tendencies, and need the whole of society to help us stay in line, somewhat

who here doesn't have a vice of some sort? does that make you a moron? or human?

humans die from bad choices
that's life

but it's society's responsibility to help reduce those bad choices, IMO
 

yakko

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<< You would be amazed how much stress gets relieved when I can publically post how utterly stupid your entire line of thinking is >>


Well if posting incorrect information is the way you get your jollies then that's ok by me. Your friends still made the CHOICE that you say killed them.


<< Don't bother me again with your bullsh8 until after you sit next to a friend at the moment he dies from something like this >>


I have known people who died because they would not quit smoking. As much as I miss them it was still their choice that killed them and I don't feel sorry for them for it.


<< but why should people have to be presented with these choices??? >>


Because life is full of choices. They have the choice whether or not they want to follow a balanced diet and they don't always make the right choice. Are we going to start going after stores for selling the products that are being abused?


<< do you have any love for your brother man? >>


Loving my brother man and pointing out when he is doing something stupid are two different things.


<< i suppose you do not consider life a precious thing since you do not seem to care about other people's health and well-being >>


I care about peoples health and well being but if they make a stupid choice they have to pay the consesequences for those choices.
 

Its bad for you, and the people who smoke them KNOW that.

So a company sells a product that is addictive.
Good for them, they make money and give poeple what they want.
Coffee, alcohol, and gambling do it to.
I say. Its the peoples choice.
And we don't need organization to protect people.
IF they cant do it themselves, then they do not deserve to be here.
Survival of the fittest.
 
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