SNES Classic coming out September 29th for $79.99

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purbeast0

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Anyone here have the NES classic? I'm just curious what the input lag is like on it and if the classic SNES is going to be the same.

When I initially set up my RetroPie on my Raspberry Pi 3 it had crazy amounts of input lag out of the box, but since you can configure stuff I pretty much have it completely eliminated. But Super Mario World was like unplayable to me due to the input lag. I'm assuming that all these classic consoles are under the hood is emulators running roms, so I'd think they would also suffer from the input lag.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Hmm. they chose FFIII over the far superior FFII.

lame. useless toy.

FF3 (US) is actually FF6 (Japan and later US releases). I've never heard anyone claim FF2 was a superior game. Many people say FF3 is the greatest FF game, ranking pretty close to Chrono Trigger with Square's greats.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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Anyone here have the NES classic? I'm just curious what the input lag is like on it and if the classic SNES is going to be the same.

When I initially set up my RetroPie on my Raspberry Pi 3 it had crazy amounts of input lag out of the box, but since you can configure stuff I pretty much have it completely eliminated. But Super Mario World was like unplayable to me due to the input lag. I'm assuming that all these classic consoles are under the hood is emulators running roms, so I'd think they would also suffer from the input lag.
Some lag comes from the TV's image processing, and some comes from the system.

Here's mine:

I'm sure a lot of that is from the image processing built into the system.

Even with the "pixel perfect" mode set (which should presumably have the least processing), you still see this smear/melt effect that is meant to prevent flickering and avoid triggering epileptic seizures.

Mine again:

I'm sure that requires multiple frames to be buffered and processed.

The Hakchi2 tool lets you remove the epilepsy filter (among other things), so that might reduce the latency somewhat. I'm leaving mine unmodified for now, but I plan to do some experimenting with the Famicom version I have. I sure hope they figure out a similar way to interface with SNES Classic Edition, but I suspect the USB port won't have the data lines connected, so some physical modification might be required for SNES CE hacks.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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FF3 (US) is actually FF6 (Japan and later US releases). I've never heard anyone claim FF2 was a superior game. Many people say FF3 is the greatest FF game, ranking pretty close to Chrono Trigger with Square's greats.

I've claimed it, like, a thousand times on these pages.

I don't go by Japanese numbers even though I know all that crap. To me, there is FF1, FF2, FF3, then FF7 and so on.

FF3 was great and I played it for hundreds of hours, over and over, but FF2 was something very new when it came out (more revolutionary to FF3's evolutionary), with a tight story that wasn't saddled by the "freedom" to select your party as in FF3 (seems like a great feature, and it is on its own, but imo detracted from the central focus of the storyline. Why was this Locke dude a principle? he was garbage. Tera was awesome, though).

Anyway, FF2 always, my man.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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It's kind of hard to tell how much lag that is, but it doesn't look too bad to be honest. That looks better than how my Pi 3 ran the games when I first hooked it up. I also didn't realize that while my projector was in game mode, my A/V was in "auto" mode and it was clearly defaulting to "video" mode because when I changed it to "game" mode I felt a difference. But even so, it still was too laggy for my likings and I'm glad I could tweak some settings to make it virtually lagless now.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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I've claimed it, like, a thousand times on these pages.

I don't go by Japanese numbers even though I know all that crap. To me, there is FF1, FF2, FF3, then FF7 and so on.

FF3 was great and I played it for hundreds of hours, over and over, but FF2 was something very new when it came out (more revolutionary to FF3's evolutionary), with a tight story that wasn't saddled by the "freedom" to select your party as in FF3 (seems like a great feature, and it is on its own, but imo detracted from the central focus of the storyline. Why was this Locke dude a principle? he was garbage. Tera was awesome, though).

Anyway, FF2 always, my man.
Cecil was a great character. One of my fondest memories is when he becomes a Paladin and starts over at level 1 even stronger than all the other people in your party only to gain levels like mad on the way down from that mountain. He was like a power house. XD

But yeah, FF6 is better. Sorry.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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To think I actually managed to get a preorder in the first time Walmart put it up, only for it to be canceled when now they do it for real and I miss out.
 

KentState

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Oct 19, 2001
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Sounds like these are going to be available on launch day without a pre-order, but will need to get the store super early. Shame they couldn't just make enough instead of turning it into a frustrating game of trying to find one.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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I said this when the NES Classic Edition came out: Nintendo needs to allow major retail partners to do more than just a limited number of pre-orders.

Amazon
Walmart
Target
Best Buy
Game Stop
etc...​

For the first month or so, they should allow the SNES Classic Edition to be back-ordered. Then there's no way Nintendo has to worry about producing too many. They'll have an extremely accurate idea of the public demand as they start catching up with back-orders. If it must be a "limited" release for some reason, then just stop making them around 1 month after back orders are satisfied and they've finally had a brief time to exist on retail shelves.

No getting up at 4AM to wait outside stores. No lines. No paying scalper prices. No frustration with reseller bots grabbing every unit that become available online. Just buy your back-ordered item, sit back, and relax...you're already "in line" for yours as you go about your daily routine.

Seriously, Nintendo. Doing it any other way is just stupid.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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I said this when the NES Classic Edition came out: Nintendo needs to allow major retail partners to do more than just a limited number of pre-orders.

Amazon
Walmart
Target
Best Buy
Game Stop
etc...​

For the first month or so, they should allow the SNES Classic Edition to be back-ordered. Then there's no way Nintendo has to worry about producing too many. They'll have an extremely accurate idea of the public demand as they start catching up with back-orders. If it must be a "limited" release for some reason, then just stop making them around 1 month after back orders are satisfied and they've finally had a brief time to exist on retail shelves.

No getting up at 4AM to wait outside stores. No lines. No paying scalper prices. No frustration with reseller bots grabbing every unit that become available online. Just buy your back-ordered item, sit back, and relax...you're already "in line" for yours as you go about your daily routine.

Seriously, Nintendo. Doing it any other way is just stupid.
But you don't get it, brother. If Nintendo did that then they could not pretend like they were taken completely off guard by the "unbelievable" demand for their product. This will cause lines of people to line up at 4am outside stores which is exactly what they want. They want to media video taping this stuff so it looks like their product is this must have tickle me elmo that people are lining up at stores for for even a chance of getting one. They want this dynamic of powerful emotions between the haves and the have nuts to generate a buzz. The buzz spreads and suddenly the rarity sparks interest. The scalpers gobbling up stock while the fans struggle to procure stock become drama filled tales of legend that spread like wildfire and keep Nintendo's name in the media. The item is basically just a glorified publicity stunt. And a big middle finger to their fans.
 
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JujuFish

Lifer
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The item is basically just a glorified publicity stunt. And a big middle finger to their fans.

I understand the frustration, but I don't buy this. Further, I'd add that if you really feel this way, then perhaps a RetroPie is the way to go.
 

WhiteNoise

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I'm definitely getting or when though I own many offers the games on other platforms. Plus an unreleased Star Fox 2.

We know this will sell out immediately and be sold out long after. I've been trying to see if it's available for preorder on Amazon but no dice. Might have to go to a game stop to make sure I can get this thing since I was never able to get get an NEW Classic and don't want to pay $200 for one.

Gamestop told me no preorders on this. What I mean is it sold out. One more classic system i will never get to own. &%$#@ Nintendo.
 

Rifter

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I'm considering getting a Raspberry too if I'm unable to obtain an SNES Classic this year. This is the case I'm eyeing however;
https://www.amazon.com/NESPI-YIKESH...rry/dp/B073ZC4TZY/ref=pd_zg_rss_ts_e_572238_7

Id recommend it, The Pi 3 is powerful enough for all the 8/16 bit consoles as well as PS1 for most games. I also installed the DS emulator but its still experimental and runs poorly on the Pi, also the controls are a mess. But anything Ps1 and older the Pi has you covered.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Do you think they'll make a newer, more powerful Raspberry Pi that can emulate N64 games too at some point? Preferably in 60fps and 1440x1080.
 

Rifter

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Do you think they'll make a newer, more powerful Raspberry Pi that can emulate N64 games too at some point? Preferably in 60fps and 1440x1080.

Not sure, N64 may work i havent tried yet, i wasnt a huge N64 fan. Ill give it a shot over the weekend and let you know if i have any success.

Either way you dont need to wait for a newer Pi if you want to get into serious emulation with upscaled graphics just use x86 hardware. Its not like there is a lack of x86 based emulators out there.

Running emulators on my desktop I can make PS1/PS2 games look pretty good when upscaling and running AA.

For me the Pi was more a small low power machine to emulate 8/16 bit consoles in the bedroom as that TV has no gaming consoles hooked up everything was with my living room TV, if im going to get into anything more serious ill use my PC.

Also, the Pi is not the only microPC, there are tons of others, some more powerful, that are also Arm based and should work just fine with retropie software.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Id recommend it, The Pi 3 is powerful enough for all the 8/16 bit consoles as well as PS1 for most games. I also installed the DS emulator but its still experimental and runs poorly on the Pi, also the controls are a mess. But anything Ps1 and older the Pi has you covered.
Some MAME roms can be a little flaky or require some tweaks. I've noticed it particularly with Midway games.
 

Rifter

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Some MAME roms can be a little flaky or require some tweaks. I've noticed it particularly with Midway games.

True, i noticed this as well, thats because mame can range from being run on a potato to needing a decade old PC to run depending on the game. Its by far got the largest range in hardware required for a single system. id say 95%+ though will run on a Pi3, at least from the games ive tried so far.
 

Ranulf

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But you don't get it, brother. If Nintendo did that then they could not pretend like they were taken completely off guard by the "unbelievable" demand for their product. This will cause lines of people to line up at 4am outside stores which is exactly what they want. They want to media video taping this stuff so it looks like their product is this must have tickle me elmo that people are lining up at stores for for even a chance of getting one. They want this dynamic of powerful emotions between the haves and the have nuts to generate a buzz. The buzz spreads and suddenly the rarity sparks interest. The scalpers gobbling up stock while the fans struggle to procure stock become drama filled tales of legend that spread like wildfire and keep Nintendo's name in the media. The item is basically just a glorified publicity stunt. And a big middle finger to their fans.

Thats been Nintendo's MO since I was a kid in the 80s. Part of the reason I rarely take them seriously. Gotta get that gold cartridge version of Zelda doncha know, or even Tetris.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Thats been Nintendo's MO since I was a kid in the 80s. Part of the reason I rarely take them seriously. Gotta get that gold cartridge version of Zelda doncha know, or even Tetris.
The gray cartridge was the less common version of the first 2 Zelda games (in North America, anyway). Gray was only made for the re-released “classics” version (like a “player’s choice” or “Nintendo selects” reprint). Zelda 1 and 2 gold are cheap / common today.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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The gray cartridge was the less common version of the first 2 Zelda games (in North America, anyway). Gray was only made for the re-released “classics” version (like a “player’s choice” or “Nintendo selects” reprint). Zelda 1 and 2 gold are cheap / common today.
I remember when my mother sold my nintendo to pay some guy for his work on the house one day because I had just gotten super nintendo and she figured there was no need to keep the older set. It broke my heart to lose my classic games. Then years later Nintendo came out with the NES 101 and asked my mother to get it for me.

I had seen one for $50 in a Toys R Us along with a brand new Gray edition of Zelda for 10. Even my original copy of Zelda had come used and I never got the manual with the lovely artwork in it that I had seen at a friends, much less ever had a new copy. I begged my mother to get it, but unfortunately it was five days before my birthday so she told me it would have to wait as a birthday present. We came back 5 days later and the last copy of the game was gone. I Still got the system at least. But I missed out on a brand new gray copy of Zelda after my mother got rid of my gold originals without so much as asking.
 
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