It's missing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, 5, Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma, DKC 2/3, NBA Jam, Lufia 1/2, Pilotwings, Super Mario All-Stars, Seiken Densetsu 3, Breath of Fire 1/2, Lost Vikings.
Yes, underwhelming.
Underwhelming? This thing has a bunch of some of the best games ever made. It may be missing Chrono Trigger but that's about it.
So you think that people not wanting to partake in illegal activity is not a valid reason to purchase a legit SNES classi? I'm not sure what the rest of your post had to do with what you quoted of mine.
FF3 is all that matters as I don't recall those other 2 being a thing really for the snes in the states.It's missing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, 5, Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma, DKC 2/3, NBA Jam, Lufia 1/2, Pilotwings, Super Mario All-Stars, Seiken Densetsu 3, Breath of Fire 1/2, Lost Vikings.
Yes, underwhelming.
It's missing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, 5, Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma, DKC 2/3, NBA Jam, Lufia 1/2, Pilotwings, Super Mario All-Stars, Seiken Densetsu 3, Breath of Fire 1/2, Lost Vikings.
Yes, underwhelming.
Underwhelming? This thing has a bunch of some of the best games ever made. It may be missing Chrono Trigger but that's about it.
Again you completely ignored what I asked. I really am not sure what anything you said has to do with what I asked.The people who say no to emulation use excuses like "it's not accurate" all the time on the retro threads. That's how it's relevant. If accuracy is important, how come the NES classic gets a free pass for being terrible in the input lag category? That severe input lag wasn't a thing with the original hardware so to be perfectly fair it should not be acceptable just because Nintendo sells it to you.
Tetris Attack / Panel de PonIt's missing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, 5, Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma, DKC 2/3, NBA Jam, Lufia 1/2, Pilotwings, Super Mario All-Stars, Seiken Densetsu 3, Breath of Fire 1/2, Lost Vikings.
Yes, underwhelming.
It's missing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, 5, Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma, DKC 2/3, NBA Jam, Lufia 1/2, Pilotwings, Super Mario All-Stars, Seiken Densetsu 3, Breath of Fire 1/2, Lost Vikings.
Yes, underwhelming.
It's missing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, 5, Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma, DKC 2/3, NBA Jam, Lufia 1/2, Pilotwings, Super Mario All-Stars, Seiken Densetsu 3, Breath of Fire 1/2, Lost Vikings.
Yes, underwhelming.
How can someone make a list of top Super Nintendo games like this and NOT include TMNT: Turtles in Time?!?!?
The thing I like best about having a mini NES Classic over just having a Pi, is having a miniature NES that plugs into my TV. There is no substitute, real reason or not.Within a few months after release, the thing will be hacked and you'll be able to load all of those games and more onto it. The only real reason to get this over a Pi (if you're the DIY/enthusiast type, which I'm assuming you are) is for Star Fox 2, which will likely be dumped once the SNES Classic is hacked.
It’s been playable on emulators for a decade or so. A couple versions of the ROM leaked onto the Internet a long time ago and one was practically 100% final.Within a few months after release, the thing will be hacked and you'll be able to load all of those games and more onto it. The only real reason to get this over a Pi (if you're the DIY/enthusiast type, which I'm assuming you are) is for Star Fox 2, which will likely be dumped once the SNES Classic is hacked.
Yup. Probably the same reason NES Classic missed those great TMNT games.I bet that license was going to be really expensive, hence them passing.
I know it's not the same, but you can get close:The thing I like best about having a mini NES Classic over just having a Pi, is having a miniature NES that plugs into my TV. There is no substitute, real reason or not.
Also, the NES Classic was hacked through a variety of mistakes Nintendo made (the power port being an actual functioning USB port being the most glaring, having enough space on it to fit every NES game and then some being another). It's probable they will fix those mistakes and make it less likely to be hacked. I wouldn't count on it.
https://youtu.be/kvY8bJ8hlm0Did you guys know it's easy to basically build one of these yourself (and put as many games as you want on it) with a raspberry pi? ...
Piracy is "the same" as legitimacy?I had a 50/50 shot that you would be the first one to say something like this.Not this shit again.... raspberry pi? ...
You guys are fun
But seriously, it's like the same thing right? What's so special about Nintendo doing it?
You say that it's up to us and then summarily reject us when you dismiss that as a legitimate reason for getting one of these.not really
It's up to you and your conscience if you want to illegally download roms, you always have the option of ripping the carts yourself which is about the only option left when Nintendo doesn't make enough of these things. Hopefully they get their asses in gear and give us all what we want, but I'm not holding my breath.
You TOTALLY paid for Star Fox 2. I actually do own unreleased and undumped prototype Nintendo games.I would love to pay for it, but if Nintendo doesn't make enough how can I? I already did pay for all this crap at some point, I unfortunately gave it away to a family member when I outgrew it and got the next console. That still doesn't make it right, but the whole point is that this argument is moot as long as Nintendo doesn't hose us again.
Saying that you would love to buy one right after trying to discourage people from wanting/buying it and insulting their intelligence (thinly veiled under "Did you guys know...?") is amusing and blatantly dishonest. If you can't have an honest discussion about SNES Classic Edition versus Raspberry Pi + RetroPie, then why did you bring it up? Oh yeah... to posture... again.
Hollow talk after everything else you said. I'm still really interested in seeing that unreleased prototype of Starfox 2 that you legitimately paid for and then gave away, somehow entitling you but not entitling you to an illegitimate copy (?). You didn't keep any pictures? Yeah, that's... curious.If by posture you mean get a rise out of the classic console brothers, than I agree
Ichi didn't hold ground as loudly, but you made up for it.
PS: I really did mean I planned on pre-ordering one, and I really don't think I'll be able to get one because the scalpers this go-around will be ridiculous, but hopefully it pans out.
I knew this was coming. I used them as qualifications to challenge his justifications and make it clear that my position (that the SNES CE has value even against the existence of rPi/emulation) was not one made out of ignorance. His "Did you know..." line was specifically implying that the people excited about this are simply not aware of rPi/emulation.It's funny how you claimed nobody cares about him setting up his PI to play emulated games then go and post an essay of all this retro shit you have, even taking pictures with his name on it, like anyone cares about that stuff...
Hollow talk after everything else you said. I'm still really interested in seeing that unreleased prototype of Starfox 2 that you legitimately paid for and then gave away, somehow entitling you but not entitling you to an illegitimate copy (?). You didn't keep any pictures? Yeah, that's... curious.
The main problem I have is with the people who think rPi makes them superior to the people who care about this product too.
I hope this explains why people interested in this are tired of hearing about rPi every time it comes up. It's exactly the same as having some non-enthusiast who doesn't really care about the hobby or Nintendo tell us that he knows better... even though we ALL know that.
I knew this was coming. I used them as qualifications to challenge his justifications and make it clear that my position (that the SNES CE has value even against the existence of rPi/emulation) was not one made out of ignorance. His "Did you know..." line was specifically implying that the people excited about this are simply not aware of rPi/emulation.
He certainly can't say that about me and other similar enthusiasts/fans, so now he has to explain to us why we are wrong for still thinking that it has value.
It's not to impress everyone else. It's to position myself in an argument against someone already posturing from a position of having more knowledge about this stuff. I'm tired of the rPi and RetroPie being tossed in our face every time we even think about legit retrogaming, especially when the culprits always act like we don't know.
It's funny how you claimed nobody cares about him setting up his PI to play emulated games then go and post an essay of all this retro shit you have, even taking pictures with his name on it, like anyone cares about that stuff...
Ahem.I can see I touched a nerve beyond my initial intentions, so I'll hit on some points if you allow yourself to remove your emotions and look back at your assumptions you made to generate this novel :
- Did I ever mention anything about StarFox 2? I don't really care about it and is not my main driving force for buying the thing. I made no claim I owned it, will download it, or anything else for that matter... so you're asking for something that was never brought up.
Oh yeah. It was your justification for why it's OK for you to pirate the games rather than buy them again, even though you half-heartedly admit that it isn't justification in the same breath. Not only are we getting ahead of ourselves regarding availability (it hasn't launched yet), we completely shifted gears from [why it's OK to promote piracy as an alternative to others in general] to [why it's personally OK for you in your unique position].I would love to pay for it, but if Nintendo doesn't make enough how can I? I already did pay for all this crap at some point, I unfortunately gave it away to a family member when I outgrew it and got the next console. That still doesn't make it right, but the whole point is that this argument is moot as long as Nintendo doesn't hose us again.
Again...
- What about what I posted made you think I was superior? I understand it's hard to judge tone over text, but I really don't get it.
You came at us with the same "I know something you don't know" approach that the rPi people flaunted in every single Classic Edition discussion I've ever seen. That's every YT comment section for a video that mentions the Classic Edition consoles... every G+ post... every Facebook post... every Anandtech thread... even every thread in the collector/enthusiast community forums.If you were honestly asking the question instead of pretending that it had no answer...
"Do you know?" belongs on the list.Just like last time: all the rPi promoters keep playing dumb with the "I don't understand" BS. "I got it all for free"...
They sure are, which is why I made it clear that you're part of a long line of people doing this. Also, yes, I am arguing against the lot of you. I explicitly lumped you together with them before I started my tirade against all of you.
- I never said I was a classic console enthusiast... again, you're making up stuff to be mad about that isn't there. I don't know about the attitude about others talking about this subject, but I never came from an attitude of superiority. I think the arguments you've had in the past are being projected onto me now, and you're lumping any and all posts regarding the rPi into the same bucket. If somebody in the past tried to argue that the rPi is better, I can't help that. My point was that it merely exists.
Oh, you might have been able to claim that before you posted this...Did it ever cross your mind that because I'm NOT an enthusiast, I actually DIDN'T know about the rPi emulation until right now? And that my "did you guys know..." comment was made out of literally sheer ignorance on my part, and nothing to do with all the conspiracy theory BS you're spewing about me thinking it's a better option.
If that wasn't admission enough that you're deliberately poking the beehive with a stick, you responded directly to me with this:I had a 50/50 shot that you would be the first one to say something like this.
You guys are fun
Again: I've seen it countless times... not even just in Classic Edition discussions. It's the same for movie and app pirates. "You paid for that app?! Pbbbbt. I know how to get ALL my apps for FREE." Cut it out. It not just getting old, it's more obnoxious than me.If by posture you mean get a rise out of the classic console brothers, than I agree
Ichi didn't hold ground as loudly, but you made up for it.
That's nice. Guess you came across the same BS I am talking about that infiltrated every prior conversation and decided to propagate it exactly the way I have a problem with. Guess that means I shouldn't object? :/ Did you watch John Rigg's video I linked in my first reply? Clearly, this frustrates a lot of us... even rPi owners.I don't have a strong passion about classic gaming, I truly don't past a little sting of nostalgia which passes quickly when I realize how bored I am with the games I played decades ago. The main reason I was interested in this is because those are the games my fiancé is comfortable with, and it seemed like a very good option to get her into gaming together. When I googled it some links about the Pi came out, and I already had one from a previous project so it caught my attention. I'm sure the discussion happened when the NES classic came out, but I wasn't paying attention at the time because an NES doesn't interest me. SNES definitely does.
Yeah. I'm not surprised that you didn't know about Starfox 2, but you sure seemed to imply that you once owned "all" of these when dismissing the value of going legit. The problem isn't what you know or not. It's about attempting to shame us into not buying this product legitimately just because an illegitimately free/cheap alternative exists and then distorting reality to support your position.You've successfully ranted under the assumption that I was an enthusiast who wanted to be superior and you spent an incredible amount of energy proving that you were the bigger enthusiast for some reason. In reality I'm a guy who literally just heard about rPi emulation, and didn't even know StarFox 2 wasn't a released game until now. You may have made other points, but my eyes glazed over when you started posting pics of raggety old carts for some reason. I don't know if that makes you feel better or worse about this situation, but I thought I'd recap.
Yeah. You also implied that you were trolling for a response. Guess you weren't really expecting one (?).(side note: I previously referred to you as one of the "classic console brothers"... isn't that a sign that I already KNEW what a fan you were? I didn't realize how wildly arrogant you were about it though, so I guess I did learn something)
Notice that the Sharpie used to write your name is different than the Sharpie used to write mine? That's because I didn't spend even a millisecond of time or effort to write my name in response to you or this thread. The sticky note already had my name on it because *gasp* I used it to take pictures and document other recent pick-ups in case of theft!I didn't even notice that. Huh... well the amount of time he's dedicated to me (or a misspelled me anyway) this week makes me feel pretty warm inside.It's funny how you claimed nobody cares about him setting up his PI to play emulated games then go and post an essay of all this retro shit you have, even taking pictures with his name on it, like anyone cares about that stuff...