Oh, brother.
Not into the whole “brevity” thing.
Our brother loves him some Nintendo. Who can blame him?Oh, brother.
Not into the whole “brevity” thing.
Ahem.
Sorry. Something in my throat. Anyway.. remember this?
Oh yeah. It was your justification for why it's OK for you to pirate the games rather than buy them again, even though you half-heartedly admit that it isn't justification in the same breath. Not only are we getting ahead of ourselves regarding availability (it hasn't launched yet), we completely shifted gears from [why it's OK to promote piracy as an alternative to others in general] to [why it's personally OK for you in your unique position].
You glossed over a specific title to support a point that doesn't work when you are forced to address the part you conveniently/deliberately ignored. I put a spotlight on it to counter your point. What other games did you previously not own?
The thing is, if you were or weren't planning on downloading games you did not previously own wasn't the problem I had. Encouraging others to not pay who otherwise would is a good way to make sure we never see such releases. That's the issue I have. Nintendo finally did something here that adds real value no matter how many of these games we used to own and yet people are being encouraged not to support that. This perplexes and annoys me.
I am ecstatic that Nintendo finally released Earthbound Beginnings some years back. I was excited when they released Sin & Punishment long before that. I'm beyond excited to see that we're finally going to get Starfox 2. What future titles might we miss out on if the reaction to this is dampened by consumers turning to illegitimate emulation instead? No Mother 3? What about future titles that might get made if the public reacts positively to something like this? The world might miss out on something like Mother 4. Please don't try to turn willing buyers away from something like this just because the illegitimate option is cheap/free/comprehensive.
Again...
You came at us with the "I know something you don't know" approach that the rPi people flaunted in every single Classic Edition discussion I've ever seen. That's every YT comment section for a video that mentions the Classic Edition consoles... every G+ post... every Facebook post... every Anandtech thread... even every thread in the collector/enthusiast community forums.
I don't think enthusiast bicycle communities have to deal with motorcyclists in their midsts constantly telling them that they are all stupid because "Don't you know? A Ninja 250 MOTORCYCLE is faster and cheaper, plus you don't have to pedal and they can go anywhere a car can go! Just get a motorcycle."
As for your tone, that's the same "playing dumb" I referred to in the same post.
"Don't you know?" belongs on the list.
It either presumes that we obviously wouldn't be as interested as we are if we knew what you know or it asserts yourself as superior for choosing that instead of the thing we are getting excited for, then rubs it in our faces. You say "it's easy." Others doing this say that too. It's a thinly veiled variation of the "you're all stupid for being excited about this and wanting to spend money on it when there's this cheap/free and easy illegitimate alternative."
They sure are, which is why I made it clear that you're part of a long line of people doing this. Also, yes, I am arguing against the lot of you. I explicitly lumped you together with them before I started my tirade against all of you.
Oh, you might have been able to claim that before you posted this...
If that wasn't admission enough that you're deliberately poking the beehive with a stick, you responded directly to me with this:
Again: I've seen it countless times... not even just in Classic Edition discussions. It the same for movie and app pirates. "You paid for that app?! Pbbbbt. I know how to get ALL my apps for FREE." Cut it out. It not just getting old, it's more obnoxious than me.
That's nice. Guess you came across the same BS I am talking about that infiltrated every prior conversation and decided to propagate it exactly the way I have a problem with. Guess that means I shouldn't object? :/ Did you watch John Rigg's video I linked in my first reply? Clearly, this frustrates a lot of us... even rPi owners.
Yeah. I'm not surprised that you didn't know about Starfox 2, but you sure seemed to imply that you once owned "all" of these when dismissing the value of going legit. The problem isn't what you know or not. It's about attempting to shame us into not buying this product legitimately just because an illegitimately free/cheap alternative exists and then distorting reality to support your position.
My pics were calling attention to just how hollow your claim of legitimately having "all" the games really was by inviting you to show us pics of your unobtanium Starfox 2 prototype. To egg you on and to demonstrate that anyone who had such things in the past would have retained documentation of it, I showed some unobtanium myself. It's not so much the claim that I care about: Of course you never had a legit Starfox 2 prototype. It's the attempt to justify stealing the games that I was calling out.
Yeah. You also implied that you were trolling for a response. Guess you weren't really expecting one (?).
Notice that the Sharpie used to write your name is different than the Sharpie used to write mine? That's because I didn't spend even a millisecond of time or effort to write my name in response to you or this thread. The sticky note already had my name on it because *gasp* I used it to take pictures and document other recent pick-ups in case of theft!
Does this looks familiar? It should! That's because it is the same sticky note pad I used to document that pick-up earlier this week.
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=751&catid=31&threadid=173205
I literally just added your name and pointed Tapatalk at it.
Oh, look! Even more pick-ups documented from this past weekend:
I took that for a group member who specifically asked for it.
Looks like sharing pick-ups is a pretty routine thing among collectors and that might be why we have such pictures readily available. Glad I could clear that up.
Why might I need my name in the pic to prove my collection is actually my collection in the future? Oh, I dunno... insurance, theft, or historical purposes that matter to other collectors. You know: the obvious stuff that has nothing specifically to do with you. I took exactly two pictures for this thread and the rest were already shared elsewhere. The only reason I took those two pictures is because, after seeing that I didn't have them to link to, I realized I still needed to document them in case I needed them in the future. Rectified.
Does it make you happy or sad to learn that I had additional reason for sharing them that wasn't purely motivated by our conversation?
Thanks! I couldn't find a speck of dust on it, though it's probably already picked up some cat hair in our possession.Nice 2600 jr there!
Looks to be in great shape, did it come with the power cable and tv connections?
Yep: Atari CX80 Trak-ball. They also made a CX22 Trak-ball in black or matching the XL computers (some showed Atari VCS/2600 on the box, others pictures Atari XL). They operate identically unless you have an ancient joystick-mode-only CX22 (early units have no mode switch), but I've never seen one of those.I spy an Atari 2600 (?) TrackBall in that picture. Those were so much fun. Especially, glitching out games, using the switch in "true trackball mode", on games that weren't programmed for it.
Like FrontLine, roll the trackball backwards, and your player turns into the level's final turret, and you start to explode, and press the button to escape, and you instantly win the level.
Or some space shooter game, where you normally slid left and right to shoot the descending objects, but if you roll the trackball down rapidly, your ship would fly up off of the surface. Interestingly, there was actually a little flame below the ship, that cannot normally be seen at all during normal gameplay.
I forgot what game that is, but it might have been an M-Network game, with "Space" in the title.
I'd like to preorder one but can't find anywhere online that has them in stock.
Nintendo was ahead of most of the industry with Starfox and the Super FX 1, and then completely gave up that superiority to instead fool everyone with the pre-rendered graphics of Donkey Kong Country. Starfox 2's innovative actual 3D gameplay was a threat to expose the Donkey Kong Country lie, and so it got thrown under a rock until long after its chance to shine. And then strangely despite pretty much proving that pre-rendered graphics can beat out actually better graphical technologies with Donkey Kong Country, Nintendo turned around and betrayed what they learned when they skipped having a CD drive for the N64 and instead let the graphically inferior PS1 beat its brains in saleswise because its games could have discs full of pre-rendered graphics. In that move Nintendo not only forgot the reason why they buried Starfox 2, but they enabled a new competitor that today has a much larger home console business than Nintendo does.
I heard that Nintendo cancelled Star Fox 2 because of the impending release of the Nintendo 64, and that's why instead of getting Star Fox 2 we got Star Fox 64. Essentially, they didn't want to push a 3D-heavy game on a mostly 2D-focused console so close to the release of their new, 3D-focused console.
The reality of what happened is that Nintendo back in the day (much like 1990's Sega) was going in many different directions at the same time. By the mid 1990's the SNES was clearly dated technology next to 32X or 3DO, but those consoles didn't sell.
My understanding is that Star Fox 2 was canceled simply because it would have been released too late in the SNES life cycle. Sales would have been poor as people moved onto newer consoles and it wasn’t a cheap cartridge to produce because it required an FX2 chip and a significant amount of SRAM.Yeah I think the lineup is much better than the NES Classic. Frankly I was kinda disappointed by the NES Classic- it had more games but so many misses (like Castlevania II over say Castlevania III). For the SNES Classic I can think of a reason for every game to be there and it has almost all of my alltime favorites from that (my favorite) console.
The real appeal though is Starfox 2. Not because it is some great classic we never got to play (it might be), but for how important it was to gaming history. Not only was Starfox 2 development responsible for a lot of experimentation that eventually became Mario 64 (and therefore changed the industry forever), but its lack of release shows the road untraveled for Nintendo in that time.
Nintendo was ahead of most of the industry with Starfox and the Super FX 1, and then completely gave up that superiority to instead fool everyone with the pre-rendered graphics of Donkey Kong Country. Starfox 2's innovative actual 3D gameplay was a threat to expose the Donkey Kong Country lie, and so it got thrown under a rock until long after its chance to shine. And then strangely despite pretty much proving that pre-rendered graphics can beat out actually better graphical technologies with Donkey Kong Country, Nintendo turned around and betrayed what they learned when they skipped having a CD drive for the N64 and instead let the graphically inferior PS1 beat its brains in saleswise because its games could have discs full of pre-rendered graphics. In that move Nintendo not only forgot the reason why they buried Starfox 2, but they enabled a new competitor that today has a much larger home console business than Nintendo does.
I also sometimes like to think what would have happened in NOA really would have delayed the SNES to include the Super FX as its main CPU as was once considered. In comparison to modern days the original Super FX chip was so much more powerful than the CPU of the Super Nintendo it would be like shoving a PS4 in a Nintendo Switch cartridge. That is mind blowing to think about, or the fact that prior to Starfox that sort of polygon 3D gameplay was pretty much exclusive to arcade machines and expensive PCs. In some ways a Super FX powered SNES would have been full of (now terrible looking) 3D games that would have established Nintendo's dominance in that space before the PS1 could arrive, and lessons from that experience could have forced Nintendo into a CD-powered N64. That would have created a world where maybe today Nintendo is selling competitively regular home consoles ala the Ps4 without gimmicks because they aren't needed, but the sacrifice probably would have been a pile of 2D SNES games that I will always hold dear.
I can't wait to actually play Starfox 2 and ponder what could have been if it would have been released (or if the Super FX would have been the SNES's main CPU). To me it is like finding a long lost Beatles album that inspired Led Zeppelin's style despite never being released, and would have shown a completely new style for the Beatles that would have sounded like Led Zeppelin. It is a huge piece of gaming history, and I can't wait to soak it in.
My understanding is that Star Fox 2 was canceled simply because it would have been released too late in the SNES life cycle. Sales would have been poor as people moved onto newer consoles and it wasn’t a cheap cartridge to produce because it required an FX2 chip and a significant amount of SRAM.
There’s just no chance that DKC would have flopped though. It was an amazing game.It was scheduled to be a 1995 game, so it would have had around a year on the market before the N64 hit. The problem was that Nintendo didn't know the N64 wasn't coming until 1996 until the last minute when it got delayed.
Personally I think the cost situation was overblown as the 32MB of memory needed to hold the Donkey Kong Country games wasn't cheap either. The success of Donkey Kong Country compared to any Super FX game is what made that the more viable solution to get past the 3DO/32X midgen console era. I fully believe if Donkey Kong Country would have flopped in 1994 we would have seen Starfox 2 in 1995. Nintendo needed SOMETHING to bridge the gap.
Didn't Miyamoto hate it?There’s just no chance that DKC would have flopped though. It was an amazing game.
I understand why he might. Rare did something really cool with his characters. If it's any consolation, DKC2 started Rare's "fetch quest" trend and didn't have any of the level design "flow" that DKC1 had. Then they lost all their best employees some time before Perfect Dark was completed.Didn't Miyamoto hate it?
...and I have always hated Mortal Kombat. The control and game mechanics felt cheap and sloppy. Always ripping off better fighters and getting by with the digitized graphics gimmick.I must have been the only person that thought DKC was horrible. Could not get into those games at all. It was just a reskinned mario/sonic and I didn't care for the graphics either. Mortal Kombat had already done it years before.
Mortal Kombat did what years before? And MK on SNES had the worst controls in any fight game ever lol, they were really bad. And no blood!I must have been the only person that thought DKC was horrible. Could not get into those games at all. It was just a reskinned mario/sonic and I didn't care for the graphics either. Mortal Kombat had already done it years before.
It's like saying Sonic games and Super Mario games were exactly the same but they all had different mechanics that made them feel very different.Mortal Kombat did what years before? And MK on SNES had the worst controls in any fight game ever lol, they were really bad. And no blood!
DKC had it's own charm. I didn't think it felt anything like Mario or Sonic other than being a side scroller.
Mortal Kombat did what years before? And MK on SNES had the worst controls in any fight game ever lol, they were really bad. And no blood!
DKC had it's own charm. I didn't think it felt anything like Mario or Sonic other than being a side scroller.