SNES Classic coming out September 29th for $79.99

[Sonikku]

Are you talking about the SN30? You don't notice any difference playing Super Mario World vs using the wired controllers that come with the SNES Classic? That game is my go to test. The SNES Classic is the first time I have been able to play that game again properly since my old SNES. I'm kind of worried going wireless would add just enough latency to make the game hard to control. SNES Classic with the wired controllers feels just like the real thing though. I can run through stages and make quick and precise jumps that I have never been able to do with other emulator/controller combinations.

Yes, I am talking about the SN 30. It has no discernible lag that I can tell. Here's a link to the one I went with. A steal for $25.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074HBQ78V/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

 

[Sonikku]

Well I did the mod. Here's some photos;

Removing the screws from the 8bitdo receiver casing and taking out the bare receiver. Removed the rubber pads from below the classic to gain access to its screws.

Removing the casing.

Unscrewed the controller ports front panel, inserted the bare 8bitdo receiver into the player 1 socket.

Trying to find the optimal position to tuck it to ensure the internals are safe and the case lid can go back on flush.

Perfect! Re-installed the controller ports front panel and got the screws back in.

Case closed. Will wait to see if it works before screwing the case back together.

It works! 8bitdo controller syncs without a hitch. Put the case screws and rubber feet back in.

Now I should probably do some dusting...

 

[lupi]

getting easier to get one of these now. any word yet on when the original version coming out again?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

God I love the SNES. I started playing Final Fantasy IV on my 3DS earlier today while taking my dog outside and forgot how amazing the music was. My poor 3DS couldn't do the soundtrack justice so I had to go play it on the bigscreen on my SNES Classic with the stereo hooked up. FF IV is so glorious on a modern TV with a sound system, so much better than on a little 13 inch TV like I played it on as a kid when it came out.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Gamestop just got a bunch of official NES Classic controllers and they're only $10. I have my SNES Classic dual booted with the NES Classic OS and as good as the NES games feel on the SNES Classic controllers, it just feels even better playing them on the NES Classic controller. Though extension cables are a must since the cord is only 2 1/2 feet long.

 

[Ichinisan]

Gamestop just got a bunch of official NES Classic controllers and they're only $10. I have my SNES Classic dual booted with the NES Classic OS and as good as the NES games feel on the SNES Classic controllers, it just feels even better playing them on the NES Classic controller. Though extension cables are a must since the cord is only 2 1/2 feet long.

Thanks. I checked BestBuy.com and Target.com last night and those had it too!

Walmart and Amazon still just had knock-offs and third party sellers that are way over MSRP.

 

[snoopy7548]

Gamestop just got a bunch of official NES Classic controllers and they're only $10. I have my SNES Classic dual booted with the NES Classic OS and as good as the NES games feel on the SNES Classic controllers, it just feels even better playing them on the NES Classic controller. Though extension cables are a must since the cord is only 2 1/2 feet long.

Dual-booting is sweet. I have it setup on my NES Classic (I like the looks of the NES better than the SNES). I'm thinking about buying two NES classics for both of my brothers for Christmas and loading up a bunch of games.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Thanks. I checked BestBuy.com and Target.com last night and those had it too!

Walmart and Amazon still just had knock-offs and third party sellers that are way over MSRP.

I was actually going to buy one off Amazon the other day for $29 and then saw a post on reddit saying Gamestop had them for $10. I couldn't believe only $10 for a first party controller that feels and plays amazing.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Dual-booting is sweet. I have it setup on my NES Classic (I like the looks of the NES better than the SNES). I'm thinking about buying two NES classics for both of my brothers for Christmas and loading up a bunch of games.

Yeah best of both worlds since you get the actual Nintendo emulators. I can't understand the people who put RetroArch on these machines. I guess RetroArch is fine for most games but it really sucks playing Super Mario World with that added bit of lag that RetroArch introduces over the official emulators. Same for Super Mario Bros 1 & Super Mario Bros 2 Japan which have jumps that are easy to make on the Nintendo emulators that feel more 50/50 whether or not I'm going to make them when I play the same roms on my Raspberry Pi with RetroArch.

Quick question: I heard the NES Classic is supposed to come with the Famicom Disk System BIOS preinstalled so that you can play games like Super Mario Bros 2 Japan (I actually use a rom from a bootleg NES cartridge of the game to get it running on my SNES Classic), Yume Kojo Doki Doki Panic, or the version of Zelda 1 with better music that came out on FDS. Have you been able to play FDS games on your dual boot?

 

[snoopy7548]

Yeah best of both worlds since you get the actual Nintendo emulators. I can't understand the people who put RetroArch on these machines. I guess RetroArch is fine for most games but it really sucks playing Super Mario World with that added bit of lag that RetroArch introduces over the official emulators. Same for Super Mario Bros 1 & Super Mario Bros 2 Japan which have jumps that are easy to make on the Nintendo emulators that feel more 50/50 whether or not I'm going to make them when I play the same roms on my Raspberry Pi with RetroArch.

Quick question: I heard the NES Classic is supposed to come with the Famicom Disk System BIOS preinstalled so that you can play games like Super Mario Bros 2 Japan (I actually use a rom from a bootleg NES cartridge of the game to get it running on my SNES Classic), Yume Kojo Doki Doki Panic, or the version of Zelda 1 with better music that came out on FDS. Have you been able to play FDS games on your dual boot?

Yep. I don't see the point in using RetroArch when it seems like 99% of games work just fine with the internal emulator.

Haven't tried to play FDS games since I'm only interested in NES/SNES. I think you can install a shortcut to the FDS BIOS (like when you're switching between NES/SNES images) and play games that way.

 

[Fallen Kell]

I should look into the mods again on the mini (havn't kept up with the changes since around February). I agree about RetroArch. There is no reason to use it for NES/SNES games.

On a side note, I did pick up a 27" CRT TV to start using with all the light gun games (and original hardware). It doesn't have the connector(s), but supports a pretty easy RGB mod. I ordered a SCART socket, a linear voltage regulator (needed to send a 0.7V signal to the control chip on the TV's board to have it select the RGB input pins), a few capacitors and resistors (resistors to change the standard 0.7V peek to peek signal on the RGB lines to 0.5V peek to peek that the TV's chip is expecting) and an external latching button (so I can hit it have the TV select the RGB input). Just waiting on the parts to show up. I probably need to pick up some better cables than I have for the internal wiring that I need to do (everything I have is unshielded, and it should at least keep the audio separate and shielded from the C-SYNC and RGB lines, and the RGB lines shielded from C-SYNC otherwise you pickup distortion on the C-SYNC and RGB).

 

[Brunnis]

I should look into the mods again on the mini (havn't kept up with the changes since around February). I agree about RetroArch. There is no reason to use it for NES/SNES games.

It should probably be mentioned that there is a decent number of games that require patches to work correctly with Canoe (Nintendo's emulator). I haven't followed the community since spring, so I'm not updated on the latest progress, but I'm guessing there's still games that have yet to receive patches. Snes9x and even Snes9x2010 in RetroArch is, as far as I can tell, both more compatible and more accurate, meaning most games in the SNES's library will run correctly without patches.

That said, I also avoid using RetroArch on my Mini. The games I want run fine on Canoe after patching and I don't want to deal with the added input lag. I've investigated the input lag of RetroArch quite extensively. Here's a post I did comparing the Mini (Canoe/RetroArch) to RetroPie and RetroArch on PC:

https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/583

While RetroArch is pretty much second to none in terms of input lag when running on a PC, the situation is not as rosy on the Mini and RetroPie. The extra lag with RetroArch on the Mini is not caused by the emulator cores themselves (Snes9x/Snes9x2010 do not have more inherent lag than Canoe). I believe the extra lag comes from differences in the video backend, but it's not something I've dug into myself. It can obviously be solved (since Canoe doesn't have this issue), but it's possible that the Mini's hardware would be too slow at running Snes9x after such lag reducing fixes.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Boy Hakchi CE 3.4.1 is such an upgrade over Hakchi 2.21 that I was previously using. On CE 3.4.1 I'm able to run Famicom Disk System roms when I boot into the NES Classic now when I couldn't on 2.21 (I dual boot NES/SNES Classic on SNES Classic hardware). Plus I can remove crap games I don't want that are part of the default install, such as Ice Climber, Galaga, and Pac-Man (love the last two in arcade versions but the NES ones are pretty inferior).

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Yep. I don't see the point in using RetroArch when it seems like 99% of games work just fine with the internal emulator.

Haven't tried to play FDS games since I'm only interested in NES/SNES. I think you can install a shortcut to the FDS BIOS (like when you're switching between NES/SNES images) and play games that way.

I don't know if it's from updating to a new hakchi or a better NES Classic hsqs but now FDS roms run great for me when booting into NES mode on my SNES Classic. There aren't a ton of great FDS games not on NES, though Zelda 1 & 2 and Metroid have much better music on FDS and Zelda 2 has a lot of small changes from the US version, but Super Mario 2 Japan and Yume Koujou Doki Doki Panic are highly worth playing. Here is a really interesting story about these two games if you don't know them:

Long story short (if you don't want to watch the video), the original Super Mario Bros 2 released in Japan was perversely difficult and Nintendo got scared it would flop in America, so they took an Arabic-themed game they made for Fuji TV called Yume Koujou Doki Doki Panic and rom-hacked it into the game we know as Super Mario Bros 2 in the US. Peach's float jump came from a character in this game and now the kind of Middle Eastern music from Super Mario Bros 2 US makes a lot more sense.

 

[Sonikku]

Thanks, Howard Philips. I have played both extensively and derived far greater enjoyment from the Doki Doki Panic game than the actual Mario Bros. 2. Doki Doki may not have been an "actual" Mario game, but it was still a top notch release in its own right. Mario Bros. 2 felt like a lazy rehash of the first. Mario 3 in contrast felt like a true sequel.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Thanks, Howard Philips. I have played both extensively and derived far greater enjoyment from the Doki Doki Panic game than the actual Mario Bros. 2. Doki Doki may not have been an "actual" Mario game, but it was still a top notch release in its own right. Mario Bros. 2 felt like a lazy rehash of the first. Mario 3 in contrast felt like a true sequel.

Nintendo sure loved difficult sequels early on I guess. As much as I enjoy Zelda II, I think I have made it out of maybe the first two dungeons in the game before getting wrecked in the third. Both in the US and Japanese versions. I have probably beaten Zelda 1 at least ten times though. Same for A Link to the Past.

 

[Sonikku]

I think I would rate Adventure of Link a lot higher with a tuning pass. AVGN touched upon this in his mock review when he noted that the difficulty jerks up and down all over the place like a roller coaster instead of being a steady and gradual climb.

 

[CZroe]

Nintendo sure loved difficult sequels early on I guess. As much as I enjoy Zelda II, I think I have made it out of maybe the first two dungeons in the game before getting wrecked in the third. Both in the US and Japanese versions. I have probably beaten Zelda 1 at least ten times though. Same for A Link to the Past.

Opposite for me. I went through Adventure of Link a couple times but I always lose interest in the original Zelda somewhere around Level 6. Started many times and had great progress with no deaths but still never finished it.

Zelda II is the only FDS game I own for my twinFAMICOM. I’ve been known to load it up and let the title screen music loop just because I missed it. It’s pretty special.

I hear that they have improved the music for FDS games on Everdrive N8 but the one time I loaded it up it made my ears bleed. Don’t assume you’ve heard FDS audio just because you tried it on Everdrive N8 with expansion audio!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Crap, Reggie says the NES and SNES Classic systems are gone after they sell out this holiday season.


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...sh-bros-classic-console-future-switch-1167948

Do you have plans for doing another classic console in the future? Do you expect to release any more games on the classic consoles that have already been released?

There’s no ability for add-on content with our classic consoles, so when you purchase the console it’s coming with that set roster of content. We worked very hard, both for the NES Classic and the SNES Classic, to really have the best games that defined that generation. We’ve said that the current systems are the extent of our classic program. We’ve also been clear that, at least from an Americas perspective, these products are going to be available through the holiday season and once they sell out, they’re gone. And that’s it. The way that consumers will be able to continue participating with our classic content is going to be through Nintendo Switch Online, and we just released three new games (Ninja Gaiden, Wario's Woods and Adventures of Lolo) from the NES generation onto that platform. We look at that as the main way that consumers will be able to experience that legacy content.

 

[Sonikku]

I've been saying all along I doubted the N64 classic. The emulation is too much of a PITA to get perfect. Nintendo could do it, but that would cost more money than re-purposing the nuts and bolts of fan made emulators and slapping it in a plastic shell.

 

[lupi]

How they run their digital shop should have resulted in criminal convictions by now.

 

[purbeast0]

How they run their digital shop should have resulted in criminal convictions by now.

Not at all. Idiots keep buying the games so why should they change it? They would be stupid to not sell people The Legend of Zelda for the 10th time if they are willing to buy it. Nintendo is genius. They are the reason you see all of these HD remakes now too on the current consoles. They are pioneers as usual. Super Mario Allstars started it all.

 

[Sonikku]

Super Mario All Stars basically rebuilt the games from the ground up with modern hardware. A lot of the re-releases we see today don't even perform as well as they did back when, much less overhaul the entire graphics.

 

[Chaotic42]

Some of the HD remakes are criminally bad though, notably Final Fantasy 6.

 

[Sonikku]

Yeah Square tends to phone it in. Their Chrono Trigger PC port was so bad, our own Crono here on the forums wouldn't play it.