SNES Classic coming out September 29th for $79.99

[nakedfrog]

Hm. Does this mean I actually want to buy one? Will have to ponder.

 

[snoopy7548]

Hm. Does this mean I actually want to buy one? Will have to ponder.

Don't wait too long - Nintendo will be discontinuing them soon. It's already hard to find spare controllers.

 

[Sonikku]

Hm. Does this mean I actually want to buy one? Will have to ponder.

JUST DO IT!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Hm. Does this mean I actually want to buy one? Will have to ponder.

The NES/SNES Classic really are great emulation boxes. The SNES Classic provides the only emulation I have ever found of Super Mario World that plays like the real SNES I had in the early 1990s. I was so blown away by how much better the Super Mario World emulation was than on my Raspberry Pi that the night I got it (Christmas present from my brother) I played through and unlocked half the game in one session.

 

[nakedfrog]

Don't wait too long - Nintendo will be discontinuing them soon. It's already hard to find spare controllers.

I saw, that's what has prompted my pondering.

JUST DO IT!

You're a shilly fangirl, of course you'd say that

The NES/SNES Classic really are great emulation boxes. The SNES Classic provides the only emulation I have ever found of Super Mario World that plays like the real SNES I had in the early 1990s. I was so blown away by how much better the Super Mario World emulation was than on my Raspberry Pi that the night I got it (Christmas present from my brother) I played through and unlocked half the game in one session.

My hesitation is that I've already got a PC hooked up to my TV that already seems fully capable. With my 8bitdo controller on BT the lag made me think I was suddenly a noob at SMW, but as soon as I switched over to my X360 controller, I was back in good form.

 

[JujuFish]

I almost bought one a couple weeks ago, but I'm 90% sure my roommate's mom is getting me one for Christmas. I hope I'm not wrong.

 

[Chaotic42]

I almost bought one a couple weeks ago, but I'm 90% sure my roommate's mom is getting me one for Christmas. I hope I'm not wrong.

Why would your roommate's mother buy you a gift?

 

[JujuFish]

Why would your roommate's mother buy you a gift?

I don't know. She's a really nice person and treats me like a son. We buy each other something every Christmas.

 

[Chaotic42]

Nice.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

My hesitation is that I've already got a PC hooked up to my TV that already seems fully capable. With my 8bitdo controller on BT the lag made me think I was suddenly a noob at SMW, but as soon as I switched over to my X360 controller, I was back in good form.

I have never found my XBox 360 controller to be very good for SMW, even using the joystick instead of the horrific D-pad. Not on PC nor on my Raspberry Pi. The SNES Classic is the only system I have ever been able to play the game like I did on my real SNES, basically holding Y and running the entire time.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I almost bought one a couple weeks ago, but I'm 90% sure my roommate's mom is getting me one for Christmas. I hope I'm not wrong.

I'd still buy one and stash it in the closet. Then you can return it later if you get one gifted to you. Because this might be your only chance if you want it for MSRP.

Also it's the exact same hardware as the NES Classic. And that's all I'll say about that so as to not break any rules here.

 

[Brunnis]

The NES/SNES Classic really are great emulation boxes. The SNES Classic provides the only emulation I have ever found of Super Mario World that plays like the real SNES I had in the early 1990s. I was so blown away by how much better the Super Mario World emulation was than on my Raspberry Pi that the night I got it (Christmas present from my brother) I played through and unlocked half the game in one session.

I have the SNES Classic, as well as a Pi and RetroArch on PC, and I'm interested in hearing what kind of differences you notice between the Classic and the Pi in SMW? I know the Pi has higher input lag than the Classic, but do you notice other differences?

 

[nakedfrog]

Would there be any issues with me running the Famicom Classic instead?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I have the SNES Classic, as well as a Pi and RetroArch on PC, and I'm interested in hearing what kind of differences you notice between the Classic and the Pi in SMW? I know the Pi has higher input lag than the Classic, but do you notice other differences?

It's just the input lag. It keeps me from being able to run full speed through levels on both my Pi and my PC like I can on real SNES / SNES Classic without dying all the time. Both with my XBox 360 wireless controller and my 8BitDo Genesis 6-button controller (real Genesis 6-button shell with an 8BitDo DIY board). Maybe it would be different if I had say an iBuffalo wired SNES style controller hooked up?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Would there be any issues with me running the Famicom Classic instead?

The internals are all the same between the Famicom Mini / NES Classic / Super Famicom Mini / SNES Classic so any of the systems can run any of the other systems' games just as well. But I wouldn't buy the Famicom Mini because it has tiny controllers hardwired into the back of the system. The rest of the systems come with regular sized controllers, but since the regular Famicom controllers were stored on either side of the machine they had to be shrunk down to fit onto the sides of the shrunken Famicom Mini.

Check the controller size for the Famicom Mini at the 02:36 mark below.

 

[nakedfrog]

The internals are all the same between the Famicom Mini / NES Classic / Super Famicom Mini / SNES Classic so any of the systems can run any of the other systems' games just as well. But I wouldn't buy the Famicom Mini because it has tiny controllers hardwired into the back of the system. The rest of the systems come with regular sized controllers, but since the regular Famicom controllers were stored on either side of the machine they had to be shrunk down to fit onto the sides of the shrunken Famicom Mini.

Check the controller size for the Famicom Mini at the 02:36 mark below.

My TV is over 10' from my couch, so I wouldn't be likely use wired controllers anyway. If it will still work with with mod that Sonikku did with the 8bitdo controller, that would suffice for me. I lived in Japan in the mid-80s so my first experience was with the Famicom, if I'm gonna go nostalgic, I might as well do it right

 

[sonitt]

Yup. Half the enjoyment of these is the nostalgia factor. I got the SNES classic last year. Playing Super Mario World with the SNES controller brought back some good childhood memories.

 

[Sonikku]

My TV is over 10' from my couch, so I wouldn't be likely use wired controllers anyway. If it will still work with with mod that Sonikku did with the 8bitdo controller, that would suffice for me. I lived in Japan in the mid-80s so my first experience was with the Famicom, if I'm gonna go nostalgic, I might as well do it right

Not only does it work, and not only is it sexy to close up the front panel, but I experience no input lag.

And on a personal note, using a Xbox pad to play SNES games is SACRILEGE.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Don't wait too long - Nintendo will be discontinuing them soon. It's already hard to find spare controllers.

Eh, I wouldn't worry that much about that. They put the NES back into production due to demand, and I have a hunch they might update these in the future (offer different games maybe). Plus the retro console community has gotten healthier and healthier so there will be plenty of alternatives for time to come, so they'll likely provide options if Nintendo doesn't (and even if they do).

I bought one but haven't opened it yet and think I'll return it as honestly don't think I'll really play it (I have an original SNES and most of the games I'd want to play on it). I was going to play it with my nephews but they moved and I don't think they'd actually be that interested in it.

 

[Brunnis]

It's just the input lag. It keeps me from being able to run full speed through levels on both my Pi and my PC like I can on real SNES / SNES Classic without dying all the time. Both with my XBox 360 wireless controller and my 8BitDo Genesis 6-button controller (real Genesis 6-button shell with an 8BitDo DIY board). Maybe it would be different if I had say an iBuffalo wired SNES style controller hooked up?

Yeah, I figured that was it. An iBuffalo controller will have less lag than the 8bitdo, but it's only around half a frame (8ms) better. The main issue with the Pi is its default video driver and the additional buffering that's needed mainly because of the slow hardware. Here's a test I made that compares the input lag on Pi, SNES Classic and PC (I believe I've linked to it previously in this thread):

https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/583

Using RetroArch on the PC, it's easy to match the SNES Classic in terms of input lag and you can actually get even better input lag. You can see the RetroArch settings used in the linked post above. Depending on the PC's performance, you'd need to tweak RetroArch's video_frame_delay setting to get stutter free performance (use a lower setting for slower hardware).

It's also worth mentioning that if you use RetroArch on the SNES Classic (via Hakchi) you'll unfortunately get input lag just as bad as on a stock RetroPie installation. At least I don't think anyone's been able to fix that issue since I made my tests.

 

[Ichinisan]

My TV is over 10' from my couch, so I wouldn't be likely use wired controllers anyway. If it will still work with with mod that Sonikku did with the 8bitdo controller, that would suffice for me. I lived in Japan in the mid-80s so my first experience was with the Famicom, if I'm gonna go nostalgic, I might as well do it right

There's also a gold one with a bunch of Ban Dai games like Dragonball stuff.

 

[CZroe]

Got a Family Computer Mini myself when I went to Japan last year:

Just like many other things sold in Japan, the adapter is sold separately. Most people would just use whatever USB wall plug they already have but I really wanted that one packaged like a Fami/Super Fami adapter, and I managed to find it used/cheap with the box. Yes, in Japan Family Computer and Super Famicom used the same adapter so Nintendo didn’t include one with the Super Famicom.

 

[Sonikku]

Way to go, brother!! Though 12,800 yen seems kind of steep. I thought about getting a fami mini at some point myself, namely this gold one for $80.
https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Cla...8&qid=1545523840&sr=8-4&keywords=famicom+mini

But I decided I don't need a third classic console with the same internals but smaller controllers.

 

[CZroe]

Way to go, brother!! Though 12,800 yen seems kind of steep. I thought about getting a fami mini at some point myself, namely this gold one for $80.
https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Cla...8&qid=1545523840&sr=8-4&keywords=famicom+mini

But I decided I don't need a third classic console with the same internals but smaller controllers.

Definitely steep. This was at the same time that the NES Classic Edition was still going for more than twice MSRP so it was kind of in-line with that. “Used/cheap” only applies to the adapter. Still, we had decided to get one while we were in Japan after seeing the insane prices in Thailand. We didn’t have the luxury of tracking stock and camping out at retailers like we have here in The States. Had to stay with the group.

Yeah, I know “luxury?!” It’s all a matter of perspective I guess. The gold one wasn’t announced yet at the time but if it isn’t canceled I’ll probably end up with one of those too. It’s just too cool! My original FCs are so junky that I actually prefer having these out instead.

I was somewhat surprised to see that the NES CE frenzy also applied to the FC Mini internationally. Though most things were generally very cheap, the FC Mini was about twice as much in Thailand! We got much better deals everywhere else on the trip:

https://imgur.com/a/xgU2S

I forgot that my post was supposed to be about the playability with those miniature controllers. It’s actually surprisingly playable, since the D-pad is nearly full-size and there are only two buttons. If anything, the smaller size makes the buttons easier to straddle with your thumb between them. The controller cord length is mitigated by the ability to use it with a long HDMI cable and any USB power supply. I sometimes use a USB battery pack, just like I do for the Analogue Super Nt. It works surprisingly well on your desk with a computer monitor too. Love it!

It’s only when Select and Start get involved that the size gets noticeable. Because the second controller never had Select and Start on the FC most 2p games avoid using them for gameplay. Note: This is also why so many NES ports allow you to pause the other player’s game (vestigial left-over from the FC version).

Neither of my junk FC systems have controllers but I hope to restore and adapt one to be wireless with Retro Receiver adapters and use them with the dual-pack of 8bitdo FC30 controllers I got last year. That was the only way to get them with correct “I” and “II” markings. They fit the original slots! Maybe I can even rig up a charger when you put the controllers in upside-down.

 

[Sonikku]

Does the Famicom mini have better audio for Zelda and Dracula's Curse? You ever get one of these things to set it on?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-D...micom-Classic-Box-Japan-NEW-F-S-/272635479653