So a close friend really screwed up. jail time?

TechBoyJK

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Oct 17, 2002
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So,

A good friend of mine, an ex girlfriend, Lindsay, bought some beer for another underage girl that I know, and the underage girl got drunk, drove, and hit somebody head on. She survived with an array of broken bones and probable brain damage. The driver of the car that got hit was 84 years old, and was apparently dead on impact. The girl that killed the other driver, was my "friend" Megan's best friend or whatever. Megan was introduced to me by Lindsay during a time when Lindsay really liked me. After a few years, of which I spent alot of time with Lindsay and saw very little of Megan, I gave up on Lindsay as a serious girlfriend, someone to marry. Lindsay and I still spoke, were on good terms for a while, she even had a decent boyfriend. Anyways, I ended up running into her friend Megan after all of this, and basically fell in love with her.

Anyways, if Lindsay plays her cards right, can she avoid jail time on this? She's an otherwise good girl that did something stupid and irresponsible. She didn't buy the girl alcohol with malicious intent or anything.....

It sucks too cause me and Lindsay as friends were on the rocks, so I feel kind of awkward calling Lindsay now to talk to her. I know she's going to have to pay a price for this, but, I don't want her to go nuts or anything. I've been through some testy stuff lately too (imagine your golf club smashing some little kid in the head and having to carry him in a bloody mess to his mom, not fun.....). I really feel like I should call her, but the last time she talked to me she got pretty snotty, but that was the only time she's ever been upset enough with me to not want to talk to me. Well, I tried talking to her recently(during the time I was trying to hook up with Megan) and she seemed uber bitter and said something crappy to me, and I basically told her I lost interest in her as a serious girlfriend because she just wanted to party and didn't want to do anything with her life. She seemed really hurt by it. BTW, that call happened on Valentine's day, I called her on a whim for a favor and totally forgot it was Valentines day. Anyways, she got bitter ike the whole time she really loved me and she knew I wanted Megan instead but here I was calling her on valentines day. I dunno, complicated I guess. Basically, In my humblest perspective, not trying to be like, I'm a pimp, girls love me, but I think this one does or did and maybe, just maybe she, after what I said, felt bad for loosing me, only for me to to then end up falling for one of her good friends that she introduced to me...

And now Megan hates Lindsay because "she" caused the accident and messed up her best friend. Megan does party but doesnt drink alot and is really against drunk driving. And thats why I like Megan so much is because she's responsible, smart, much more than Lindsay is.

But right now I feel like I want to talk, almost desperately to Lindsay cause she's the one thats in real trouble, besides of course the dead driver and the injured girl, but I care about her and it makes me hurt to think about what might be going through her head right now. But then again I don't ever I should even bother talking to Lindsay with all the other drama. I know she has family and friends, but I wander if she's just avoiding everyone and going nuts. I'm a little weird like that sometimes. If I get to stressed or depressed I'll just close up and not talk to anybody. And she's been like that before, and with this, I dunno, maybe I think she's kinda week and this might crack her.

I don't know whether to get involved or not. I want to, but then again, I feel like its not my place to. I'm totally perplexed.

And honestly, I just met the drunk driver, whos name is Lindsay too, I met her about a month ago at one of my best friend's house. We really hit it off, but then just through conversation I found out that her, Lindsay, and Megan were like their own little group or whatever. I had basically just been rejected, pretty hard core, by Megan, as i was under alot of stress and really got myself thinking she was "the one" So, anyways, so the drunk driver, who was kind of a ditz, seemed like a decent, sweet girl, and I also feel bad knowing she has on her shoulders manslaughter or whatever, and she's probably crippled.

And this is all on the first night of me going and hanging out with my friends after being laid up for a weeks for a hernia surgery.

Please don't flame this post. Its late, I'm tired, but I can't sleep thinking about this.

Thanks.
 

amol

Lifer
Jul 8, 2001
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Didn't read the whole thing (I'm tired too)

Have charges been pressed? If so, LAWYER, stat!
 

Zugzwang152

Lifer
Oct 30, 2001
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she may be able to avoid jail time, but she will get owned hard when the family of the dead guy sues. AFAIK she is liable for his death.
 

chrisms

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The buyer shouldn't be blamed.. the stupid girl who drove drunk and killed someone should. While your friend likely will be in some serious trouble, I don't imagine she will get too long of a jail sentence, if any. Probably depends on the state this happened in
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
And now Megan hates Lindsay because "she" caused the accident and messed up her best friend.

women + logic = ???

The person who caused the accident was the girl who drove drunk. End of story.
 

DainBramaged

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IMO, Lindsay should pay a price for her purchase of alcohol. Not trying to flame, but that is what I think.

If you want advice regardless, see Amol's post.
 

Yo Ma Ma

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Lawyer up is about all you (she) can do.. there definitely is some liability there though.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
IMO, Lindsay should pay a price for her purchase of alcohol. Not trying to flame, but that is what I think.

If you want advice regardless, see Amol's post.

Its cool. I kind of feel that way too. If I was the family of the driver that was killed or the family of the girl messed up, I'd want her head.

I hate drunk driving. Its rediculous. So many people I know don't have licenses or are messed up from it. My friend Ian (got robbed at gunpoint with him...), he's in a wheelchair now from driving drunk and flipping his car. My stepbrother just got his, i think 4th dui. I'm the responsible one...... I think. But I always tell my stepbrother, he's the kinda guy that swerves of the road and hits my future wife head on or something, and never cares.
 

BigJ

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Nov 18, 2001
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Honestly, it's all a matter of if people talk.

If Lindsay doesn't talk and Megan doesn't talk, then your friend Lindsay is fine.

If any one of them talks, your friend is going to jail for a year or two probably, not to mention getting sued through the teeth.
 

Sunbird

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My reasonable response to this situation, (if I was a judge or something), would be that Lindsay can get punished for the crime of aiding a minor get alcohol (or whatever the crime is), nothing more. Cause thats what she did.

And the girl that drove gets punsihed for whatever she is guilty of.
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: Sunbird
My reasonable response to this situation, (if I was a judge or something), would be that Lindsay can get punished for the crime of aiding a minor get alcohol, nothing more. Cause thats what she did.

And the girl that drove gets punsihed for whatever she is guilty of.
That assumes the judge believes in personal responsibility.

Now let's take this to an extreme and use the example of someone getting shot by a convicted felon. If the felon bought the gun used in the murder from a normal, average, everyday Joe with no priors, what would Joe get charged with: sale of a firearm to a known felon, or that and something related to the murder?

I really don't know the answer in either case. Maybe there's a lawyer-type ATer hereabouts?
 

digitalsm

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Jul 11, 2003
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Depending on the state, she may or may not be charged with the same crime as the drunk driver, which could go up to vehicluar homicide. Either way she will be held liable in a civil case($$$$) for both the drunk driver and the drunk drivers victim.
 

cyberfuzz

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a bartender friend of mine said that if he lets someone drink and drive, and they get pulled over or get in an accident, then he is liable for letting them drink n drive. so i assume its the same deal here. she is responsibe for it. like an acomplice to a murder, maybe you didnt acutally pull the trigger, but you still get charged for murder.
 

DrumminBoy

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do the police know your friend bought the alcohol? if not, the driver could plead the 5th on that subject...wont help her out much though
 

ironcrotch

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Okay, the other girl got drunk and killed someone end of story. the only reason why your friend would get in trouble is if the girl rats out your friend to try to lighten her load.
 

Vinney

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I believe how it works is that currently your friend Lindsay can be held criminally liable for giving alcohol to someone underage - for which she could already receive jail time (depending on the state - but usually a couple of years) or just be hit with a fine. Lindsay the driver would be responsible for vehicular homicide. However, Lindsay your friend is open to civil liability by the family of the person who died, so she may have to pay a lot more money.
 
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