So America has decided to pick a black man over a woman for Pres nomination

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: JEDI
never would have thought Hilary would lose to Obama given the history of the US.

would have thought racism > sexism.

apparently, i'm wrong. america rather vote male of any race, than a female.

Obama is promoting a much needed change.

Hillary is the same old rhetoric and she is an evil POS

Who plays the victim card so much you think she was getting Victims compensation.

Yeah, Obama would never approve of playing the victim...
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...ads-in-the-big-states/
?We know what it feels like being used as a scapegoat just because of our background and last name,? says Representative Luis Gutierrez, whose district includes part of Chicago, in Spanish. ?And no one understands this better than Barack Obama!?

Just trying to get a little latino luvin...

 

[piasabird]

When Hillary Clinton has done things like using her position as the First Lady to purposely discredit another woman that her husband cheated on her with, it does not make it look like she is a nice person. Then there is the forged political contributions from the chinese. Then there is Travelgate. This just shows you the lengths that this evil woman will go to discredit anyone who opposes her.

Do you still wonder why she is losing?

The more she shows her evil stripes, the more her true evil self shines through. It is like she has a contract with the devil.

 

[Cogman]

and if obama lost the nomination this thread would be racist >> sexist in America. Please, quit looking for reasons Hillary failed, people just don't like her, end of story.

If your accusations of a raciest / sexist America where really accurate then why didn't one of the white male nominees make it (John Edwards)?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: JEDI
never would have thought Hilary would lose to Obama given the history of the US.

would have thought racism > sexism.

apparently, i'm wrong. america rather vote male of any race, than a female.

Are you sure that people are voting against Hillary because they're sexist and that it's not merely because they hate Hillary in particular? Is it possible that much of the "hope" that's been fueling the Obama campaign is the hope that the Democrats could field a candidate who isn't Hillary?

I, for one, will laugh my ass off when her fellow Marxist Feminists, who'd probably like to impose special taxes on men since "men earn more", sob and weep once she's been defeated.

"Waaaah! She was the best candidate ever...and those awful awful men voted against her! Sob. They won't let her have her turn! It's a woman's turn! We almost had a President we (lesbians) could fuck!"

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Or maybe they just voted for the candidate they felt best to do the job.

Your faith in voters is amusing.

"the job"

haha.

 

[Exterous]

I wonder if the fact that she has to be one of the most un-photogenic people I have ever seen has any thing to do about it?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

That's about the size of it. At least the Democrats are more likely to spend money on something that will benefit the average American. Republicans simply piss our money away. Until there's a truly fiscal conservative party again there's no reason to vote Republican anymore, unless you're a Fuckabee supporting religious freak.

 

[manowar821]

I wish people would quit whining about people who don't like Hillary. She's just another asshole, she's exactly like the rest of them. I don't look for boobs or black skin, I listen to what they have to say... And what she has to say, is just stupid, and what she's done, is just stupid. Some of it may be sexism, but on such a large scale, I have to think that people actually just like Obama as a person far more than Clinton.

I'd rather have someone who is honest (as far as I can tell), and who is for civilian privacy rights and such.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: JEDI
never would have thought Hilary would lose to Obama given the history of the US.

would have thought racism > sexism.

apparently, i'm wrong. america rather vote male of any race, than a female.

WTF does sex and race have to do with this? Maybe it's a matter of people feeling Obama is the better PERSON for the job? Playing the 'race card' when it's not applicable is despicable.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

Obama's pushing a pure left-wing special interest agenda... if anyone thinks he's going to be more fiscally conservative than McCain, they're insane.

I think a fiscal conservative's best bet would be keeping a divided government. we saw what happened with the republicans in control of the executive and legislative branches, I can't imagine it would be any different with democrats in control of both branches (and it's not like Obama's ever stood up to his own party... when he talks about getting rid of lobbyists, it seems like he's only talking about republican lobbyists).

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

Obama's pushing a pure left-wing special interest agenda... if anyone thinks he's going to be more fiscally conservative than McCain, they're insane.

I think a fiscal conservative's best bet would be keeping a divided government. we saw what happened with the republicans in control of the executive and legislative branches, I can't imagine it would be any different with democrats in control of both branches (and it's not like Obama's ever stood up to his own party... when he talks about getting rid of lobbyists, it seems like he's only talking about republican lobbyists).

That whooshing noise you hear is the sound of PingSpike's post going right over your head.

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. McCain won't be fiscally conservative either. He's a neocon tool that will spend us into higher debt just like Bush has. At least with Obama you know what you're getting. More programs and higher taxes. That snake McCain will lie to your face and talk about fiscal responsibility but the second you turn your back he's going to spend like a drunken sailor.

If the only choice is a spend-happy populist Democrat and a spend-happy lying snake of a Republican then I'll choose the Democrat.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

Obama's pushing a pure left-wing special interest agenda... if anyone thinks he's going to be more fiscally conservative than McCain, they're insane.

I think a fiscal conservative's best bet would be keeping a divided government. we saw what happened with the republicans in control of the executive and legislative branches, I can't imagine it would be any different with democrats in control of both branches (and it's not like Obama's ever stood up to his own party... when he talks about getting rid of lobbyists, it seems like he's only talking about republican lobbyists).

That whooshing noise you hear is the sound of PingSpike's post going right over your head.

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. McCain won't be fiscally conservative either. He's a neocon tool that will spend us into higher debt just like Bush has. At least with Obama you know what you're getting. More programs and higher taxes. That snake McCain will lie to your face and talk about fiscal responsibility but the second you turn your back he's going to spend like a drunken sailor.

If the only choice is a spend-happy populist Democrat and a spend-happy lying snake of a Republican then I'll choose the Democrat.

If Mr Obama is elected, do not expect any big spending programs from him or Congress. The economy he will inherit will not be able to afford it. My guess is that the next president will be facing the return of stagflation.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If the only choice is a spend-happy populist Democrat and a spend-happy lying snake of a Republican then I'll choose the Democrat.

Very nice! :thumbsup: That is truly sig worthy! :laugh:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

Obama's pushing a pure left-wing special interest agenda... if anyone thinks he's going to be more fiscally conservative than McCain, they're insane.

I think a fiscal conservative's best bet would be keeping a divided government. we saw what happened with the republicans in control of the executive and legislative branches, I can't imagine it would be any different with democrats in control of both branches (and it's not like Obama's ever stood up to his own party... when he talks about getting rid of lobbyists, it seems like he's only talking about republican lobbyists).

That whooshing noise you hear is the sound of PingSpike's post going right over your head.

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. McCain won't be fiscally conservative either. He's a neocon tool that will spend us into higher debt just like Bush has. At least with Obama you know what you're getting. More programs and higher taxes. That snake McCain will lie to your face and talk about fiscal responsibility but the second you turn your back he's going to spend like a drunken sailor.

If the only choice is a spend-happy populist Democrat and a spend-happy lying snake of a Republican then I'll choose the Democrat.

that whooshing noise is the sound of my post going over your head

what runaway spending bills is McCain going to pass when the democrats are sure to hold or increase their margins in congress this year compared to what Obama could do with his own party of yes-men in congress like Bush had for so long?

even if the dems agreed with McCain's issues in principle, they'd obstruct him just so he doesn't get any good press from passing major bills.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Hell, I?ll be voting for him not because he?s black or white, but because McCain is no conservative. I judge people by their actions, only the racists will play the race card.

so, because McCain isn't conservative enough... you'll be voting for an outright liberal?

There is no conservative party anymore, at least not for fiscal conservatives. At least the democrats aren't trying to trick you into thinking they're something their not. That, and the republican party has fucked up so bad that a lot of people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face then settle.

Obama's pushing a pure left-wing special interest agenda... if anyone thinks he's going to be more fiscally conservative than McCain, they're insane.

I think a fiscal conservative's best bet would be keeping a divided government. we saw what happened with the republicans in control of the executive and legislative branches, I can't imagine it would be any different with democrats in control of both branches (and it's not like Obama's ever stood up to his own party... when he talks about getting rid of lobbyists, it seems like he's only talking about republican lobbyists).

That whooshing noise you hear is the sound of PingSpike's post going right over your head.

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. McCain won't be fiscally conservative either. He's a neocon tool that will spend us into higher debt just like Bush has. At least with Obama you know what you're getting. More programs and higher taxes. That snake McCain will lie to your face and talk about fiscal responsibility but the second you turn your back he's going to spend like a drunken sailor.

If the only choice is a spend-happy populist Democrat and a spend-happy lying snake of a Republican then I'll choose the Democrat.

you cant put ALL the blame on Bush, the house and senate spend just as much if not more. why haven't the dems done anything to stop the hemorrhaging of our money?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: JEDI
never would have thought Hilary would lose to Obama given the history of the US.

would have thought racism > sexism.

apparently, i'm wrong. america rather vote male of any race, than a female.

Yeah riiiight.

I heard this last night. Some feminist was on TV compaining that men weren't voting for Hillary just cuz she's a woman.

You see, Hillary has the experience to be President but men aren't voting for her because she's a woman.

Of course she has no response when it's pointed that the people with REAL experience, like Biden and Dodd - who are men BTW, didn't get the men's vote either.

It's obvious that she's the real sexist here. She's supporting Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman.

Excuse the rest of us for not being sexist.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
The truth is the OP's comments are very much relevant and on target. If this campaign has shown us anything, it's shown us that sexism is MUCH more tolerated in this country than racism (perceived racsim, even).

Constantly here and elsewhere I have seen people criticize Hillary for her looks, her voice, being a bitch (a common perception of powerful women), for not being sutable to lead the country because our enemies will see us as weak with a woman leader, etc. All of these things are based in sexism but nobody is offended much by them.

Now imagine the same types of criticism against Obama based on him being a black man. I could give you examples, but I won't because the mere mention of any would immediately have people screaming "racist" at me. Obama is basically immune to any type of critism that could in any remotely possible way be construed as racism.

So yeah, racism >> sexism. It's much easier to attack and demean a woman than a black man.

What I find sad is that women in this country cannot get behind a woman candidate. Blacks have rallied behind Obama almost universally. You would think that women would like to see our first woman president, something to show their daughters that women can do anything in this world. The unfortunate truth is that women are mostly sheep and followers of their men, and they are frequently very petty and critical of other women.

^ Pure sexism on your part.

We may never see a woman president.

Can't criticize black guys?, like Louis Farakhan or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Barry Bonds or Michael Vick etc.

Maybe Obama hasn't done anything yet to get criticism.

Maybe Hillary has already done a lot to get criticism.

Fern

 

[TheSlamma]

Maybe she should change her campaign from complete Obama smear and crocodile tears.