So....anyone from Hawaii just have a panic attack?

Zeze

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Wow. Someone and someone's 3 chains of managers just got fired.

Someone could've died as part of panic and trying to evac sick and elderly
 

Kaido

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You know many of us do not frequent that forum right?

I rarely do, but as the forum's activity has died off in recent years, I've noticed more & more actual news stories go there instead of here. "Hmm, crazy headline story's not in OT, better check P&N"
 

Kaido

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Wow. Someone and someone's 3 chains of managers just got fired.

Someone could've died as part of panic and trying to evac sick and elderly

I'm hearing some pretty crazy stories already...I have some friends in Hawaii & people were really freaking out. I don't think it would have been so bad if there weren't the NK tensions going on right now.

I respectfully disagree about the firing part though. They narrowed down the root cause to human error due to a process issue: at every shift change, they test the system to make sure it works. However, the user hit the wrong button in the sequence & sent a live alert on accident. At the very least, they should have to have a second person be required to confirm the news before sending it out. FWIW, the guy in charge (not the guy who pushed the wrong button) took full responsibility in a media interview, which is highly unusual in this day & age, and also vowed to fix it so it would never happen again.

This was always something that bugged me about bad guys in movies & cartoons...a henchman would screw up, so they'd fire or kill them because of their mistake. But I've read several business reports from managers who oversaw huge mistakes and the smart ones never fire the person who did it...there was one story I read where somebody made a $100k mistake, and the manager being interviewed said it'd be stupid to fire that person because that guy now had an extra $100k of experience & would be even better & more careful at his job as a result of making that mistake (obviously, that's barring people who are literally incompetent or don't care), versus having to hire someone new & train them on the process & risk other mistakes after the original mistake had been patched. I think that's a pretty smart approach, especially since there should be controls in place to prevent people from royally screwing things up in the first place, so to blame people for mistakes they didn't intend to make is a bit silly, even when it's a big-ticket item, because that responsibility should really fall on the organization to manage. That's not to say people should be absolved of all responsibility or consequences from their business mistakes, but in this case, the system boiled down to a single point of failure, which was eventually tripped over.
 

Red Squirrel

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Oopsies!

Seems a little ridiculous to fire people though, mistakes happen. If you have everyone having to walk on egg shells it just makes mistakes even more likely to happen.
 

deustroop

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Not the preferable approach I'd say. If there are no consequences for such important mistakes then nobody cares to avoid them later. Word gets around I should think. If one can't take the heat ("walking on eggshells") get out of the kitchen. Reminds me of the terrorist attack on Khobar Towers in the Saud:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing

The truck bomb was parked in full view in the parking lot right next to the US barracks.Duh. The General in charge of security apparently didn't notice it and didn't protect the building from the most obvious vector of attack. AFAIK, that sorry sack was not replaced for incompetence or whatever the error was. I could list several similar Command mistakes including the Lebanon Marine base bombing. It would take a large study to supply enough proof, but poor performance in the US Command suggests to me that the forgive'em approach encourages a lack of performance of duty.
Then there's the public service!
 

TennesseeTony

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LOL! I would have.....uhm....had instant diarrhea in the kitchen, while enjoying my morning coffee, had I received such a notice, especially on my 'trusted' television station...
 

GagHalfrunt

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I'm not from Hawaii, but I panicked anyway. I've got April 2019 in the "When will NK nuke Hawaii?" pool and saw $100K going up in smoke if it happened now.
 

XavierMace

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This was always something that bugged me about bad guys in movies & cartoons...a henchman would screw up, so they'd fire or kill them because of their mistake. But I've read several business reports from managers who oversaw huge mistakes and the smart ones never fire the person who did it...there was one story I read where somebody made a $100k mistake, and the manager being interviewed said it'd be stupid to fire that person because that guy now had an extra $100k of experience & would be even better & more careful at his job as a result of making that mistake (obviously, that's barring people who are literally incompetent or don't care), versus having to hire someone new & train them on the process & risk other mistakes after the original mistake had been patched. I think that's a pretty smart approach, especially since there should be controls in place to prevent people from royally screwing things up in the first place, so to blame people for mistakes they didn't intend to make is a bit silly, even when it's a big-ticket item, because that responsibility should really fall on the organization to manage. That's not to say people should be absolved of all responsibility or consequences from their business mistakes, but in this case, the system boiled down to a single point of failure, which was eventually tripped over.

Seems a little ridiculous to fire people though, mistakes happen. If you have everyone having to walk on egg shells it just makes mistakes even more likely to happen.

It depends on the size of the mistake and how high up (or replaceable) the person who made it was. If you'd doing something that has risk of bad consequences, you double check your steps first. You know, the old measure twice, cut once.
 

GagHalfrunt

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It depends on the size of the mistake and how high up (or replaceable) the person who made it was. If you'd doing something that has risk of bad consequences, you double check your steps first. You know, the old measure twice, cut once.

If the person who screwed up is a nobody he/she will get fired and if it's a person that can't be conveniently shit-canned then a suitable scapegoat will be found. They can't just let it go, somebody is going to pay.
 

pcgeek11

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Jun 12, 2005
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Sorry, but I laughed when someone commented about evacuating.

Where the fuck are they going to evacuate too?

I can't believe everybody is still going on about this honest mistake.
 
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Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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38 minutes to announce its a false alarm? That seems like a flaw in the system. 'Hey we can alert everyone instantly but only once'
 

Chaotic42

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Sorry, but I laughed when someone commented about evacuating.

Where the fuck are they going to evacuate too?

I can't believe everybody is still going on about this honest mistake.

Presumably fallout shelters, more remote parts of the island, caves, etc.
 

rchunter

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I used to live on maui during the 80's. Glad I left permanently for lots of reasons. They say it was a mistake, just human error but I bet it was really a drill.
 

Darwin333

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38 minutes to announce its a false alarm? That seems like a flaw in the system. 'Hey we can alert everyone instantly but only once'

That is what gets me, the person who fucked up should have known that they fucked up rather immediately. I get that there isn't really an "undo" button but seriously, 38 minutes to tell everyone it's a fuckup? Seems like a few phone calls could have handled that within 3 minutes max.
 

Iron Woode

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...and how do you even post a pic now...
easy.

when you are creating your post, look at the top of that box and you will see numerous things. one will be a smiley face. to the right of that will be the insert image button.

happy now?
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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It's okay, we are ready for retaliation!

 

Kaido

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Good read from Representative Tulsi Gabbard:

https://imgur.com/gallery/X9yYx

My first reaction to the news was "lol, what a mistake". My second reaction, after reading people's reactions in Hawaii, was holy crap - people really thought they were going to die, which is pretty dang scary, especially due to the current tensions with NK. My third reaction is that this may have a silver lining, as Gabbard detailed.
 

highland145

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Oct 12, 2009
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That is what gets me, the person who fucked up should have known that they fucked up rather immediately. I get that there isn't really an "undo" button but seriously, 38 minutes to tell everyone it's a fuckup? Seems like a few phone calls could have handled that within 3 minutes max.
HI...sorry.




how much fun can a grunt button pusher have.

 
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