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Kaido

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People see it as a singular experience because no one else has a VR headset besides other tech nerds.

Trust me, Facebook didn't buy Oculus for the games.

They already have VR social stuff for the GearVR. Stuff like Second Life is going to be HUGE on VR headsets. I mean, look at us here - ATOT is a social outlet for us nerds, and it's only text-based! Imagine the old Vent chat days but in VR
 

vi edit

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1. 3D is awesome for stuff shot in 3D like Avatar or Gravity, but nobody wants to wear glasses at home just to watch TV - even though the 3D experience on modern 3D HDTV's is REALLY good (plus a 3D Bluray player, 3D-capable HDMI cord, 3D TV, 3D glasses, etc.). However, VR is not the same as 3D movies - VR is 360, either in 2D or 3D (not all 360 content is 3D, in fact, most of it is not). VR is immersive, whereas 3D is more, ah, gimmicky. Stuff like VR experiences is more like reading a book rather than playing a board game IRL with your family, it's more personal. Think a Nintendo DS or Gameboy instead of multi-player in-person Nintendo Wii. TL;DR: 3D movies doesn't equal VR, totally different things even tho both employ 3D displays.

You said it right in your first sentence. People don't want to wear glasses at home. And that's exactly how I feel about VR. I don't want to close off my space. There's two guys on my team that got their VR headseats from the Samsung S7 promotions. Both of them did it for a few days and the novelty wore off. Things like the desktops seem wizbangy and awesome, but I think for many people it's just information overload. They won't be able to absorb or enjoy as much since there is so much going on. Plus there's the "reality" that it's not "reality". The research coming out on e-readers vs. physical papers is interesting. There's a whole context based recognition that is lost in electronic books vs physical. I'm just not convinced that things like this are mediums that work best for humans. We suffer from information overload and these just compound that.
 

Sheep

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Come on guys, we all know what drives the early tech! VR should easily be the best thing since sliced bread but of course the price of the hardware and the price of the associated software has to come down first within reach of average pron user. Then you can see the exponential growth.

I don't think that model holds true anymore given how practically everyone has access to mountains of porn at their fingertips. It's not some rare, taboo thing that was hard to come by like it was back in the days of magazines, VHS/Beta or even the early days of DVD.

I agree with vi edit on the future of VR. It'll have a place in gaming at arcades who can afford the bleeding edge stuff in large quantities (and charge you for the privilege of playing it) but I have my doubts home VR will be a major thing.
 

Kaido

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You said it right in your first sentence. People don't want to wear glasses at home. And that's exactly how I feel about VR. I don't want to close off my space. There's two guys on my team that got their VR headseats from the Samsung S7 promotions. Both of them did it for a few days and the novelty wore off. Things like the desktops seem wizbangy and awesome, but I think for many people it's just information overload. They won't be able to absorb or enjoy as much since there is so much going on. Plus there's the "reality" that it's not "reality". The research coming out on e-readers vs. physical papers is interesting. There's a whole context based recognition that is lost in electronic books vs physical. I'm just not convinced that things like this are mediums that work best for humans. We suffer from information overload and these just compound that.

I have a really hard time with ebooks because you can't just flip back & forth, hold your fingers in place, and draw or highlight on the pages. Yes, there's bookmarking, highlighting, etc., but it's not nearly as intuitive as an actual, physical book. But I love having my whole library accessible on a device that can be read in sunlight.

I'm curious about how VR will affect people with ADD...being able to have a completely black background with no distractions & say a fullscreen app might be really cool to help you focus on what you're doing. Although I can't imagine using one in an office-type environment where you need to physically interact with people & tools. Maybe if you work from home.

Augmented reality could really amp up a lot of jobs. Imagine mowing lawns wearing an AR headset but you're really playing whack-a-mole with your lawnmower
 

vi edit

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Augmented reality could really amp up a lot of jobs. Imagine mowing lawns wearing an AR headset but you're really playing whack-a-mole with your lawnmower

And then you run over your own foot because you lost your depth perception. It's the same reason I don't wear headphones when I run. Awareness of surroundings. We are creatures of senses and I think stuff like this dulls them.
 

zinfamous

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The screens don't feel 2" away from your eyes because of the lenses. Once you have the headset on you really lose any sense at all that a screen is that close to your eyes.

You can share with a spouse, friends, kids. It's actually more fun with them. They can watch everything you do on the screen. I actually have more fun watching my kid play some games than playing them myself. Job Simulator even has a spectator camera that the player can grab and move around as if on TV. Holoball has a 2 player mode where 1 person can get on your PC and play a pong like game with the person in VR. Overall it can actually be very interactive with others.

I don't think such critics are worried about what they "feel" in VR. They are concerned with the physical toll of planting your face in front of cell-killing blue-light emitting screens all hours of every day.

Your cells don't really care about how you "feel."
 

zinfamous

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I'm still petitioning for a Food sub-forum :biggrin:

Seems appropriate within Home & Garden, no? Forums are way way way too fragmented as they are.

Like, why not H&G, Garage, Health and Fitness all merged into one...with Food topics?

Are the normal humans that frequent H&G leery of the 'roido's that would trickle in from H&F and turn it all bro-y? :hmm:
 

Oyeve

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My nephew is developing oculus stuff while in college. Some of the stuff he has shone me will knock your socks off, but I signed non disclosure. So... Yeah.
 

nOOky

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I used to drink beer and play Quake 3 Arena and I remember falling out of my chair trying to dodge bfg shots in 1 vs 1 tourney play. I'd hate to twist my back dodging 3D Peter North shots too.

I have no interest in VR, I'm the opposite, I wish kids would go play outside instead of sitting inside on their electronic devices. Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

Not even porn could keep 3D rolling.
 

zinfamous

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I used to drink beer and play Quake 3 Arena and I remember falling out of my chair trying to dodge bfg shots in 1 vs 1 tourney play. I'd hate to twist my back dodging 3D Peter North shots too.

I have no interest in VR, I'm the opposite, I wish kids would go play outside instead of sitting inside on their electronic devices. Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

please post moar. AT needs more humor.
 

desura

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You said it right in your first sentence. People don't want to wear glasses at home. And that's exactly how I feel about VR. I don't want to close off my space. There's two guys on my team that got their VR headseats from the Samsung S7 promotions. Both of them did it for a few days and the novelty wore off. Things like the desktops seem wizbangy and awesome, but I think for many people it's just information overload. They won't be able to absorb or enjoy as much since there is so much going on. Plus there's the "reality" that it's not "reality". The research coming out on e-readers vs. physical papers is interesting. There's a whole context based recognition that is lost in electronic books vs physical. I'm just not convinced that things like this are mediums that work best for humans. We suffer from information overload and these just compound that.

qft
 

desura

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I'll bet VR will be cool for SP games. Maybe some MP shooter games too if you can get an advantage like freelook while still going in another direction. That actually sounds like something for like Elite Dangerous or something.

But like, gaming is all MOBA's and arena shooters nowadays. Most people don't complete the SP game campaigns.
 

sweenish

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One of 2015's most decorated games was The Witcher III. Maybe bring your generalization knob back a few notches.
 

Artdeco

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VR is going to be massively massive. You know those people that played video games so much they just died, multiply those deaths times about 1000, and you'll begin to understand what a big deal it will be...
 

zinfamous

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VR is going to be massively massive. You know those people that played video games so much they just died, multiply those deaths times about 1000, and you'll begin to understand what a big deal it will be...

don't you want repeat customers? how is something going to gain traction when you argue that its users are going to start dropping like flies?

:hmm:
 

nerp

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I don't know. I think there is a lot of hype right now. Someone is going to figure out holograms and all this VR stuff is going to look hokey with equipment strapped to our heads.
 

tommo123

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I used to drink beer and play Quake 3 Arena and I remember falling out of my chair trying to dodge bfg shots in 1 vs 1 tourney play. I'd hate to twist my back dodging 3D Peter North shots too.

I have no interest in VR, I'm the opposite, I wish kids would go play outside instead of sitting inside on their electronic devices. Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

VR/augmented reality Call Of Duty. get the things small/light enough and kids would love a team deathmatch. they'd play it for hours and actually get some exercise
 

tommo123

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I don't know. I think there is a lot of hype right now. Someone is going to figure out holograms and all this VR stuff is going to look hokey with equipment strapped to our heads.

again, i honestly think (hope) augmented reality is going to be the big thing. my gear VR with my S7E is a little too heavy to wear for the whole day. That, and the ability to turn the camera on and see out just feels plain wrong due to the camera position (a little further left than the left eye) causing your perspective to be off. 2 cameras placed where your eyes are to allow for depth within the headset would be better and more comfortable.

I want what microsoft showed in a youtube vid 2-3 years ago of being in a living room, seeing a virtual screen and moving it around and expanding it with hand gestures (VR headset with kinnect type hardware built in?).

having different applications in small floating windows that come closer when you point would be great. stop alt/tabbing. especially in offices where 3 monitors aren't enough. plus in the office scenario the headset would be your monitor and would just use a combo of hand gestures/mouse/keyboard.
 

mizzou

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VR is actually legit and viable right now. This isn't gameboy VR brother!

It's just very expensive and wild right now. I'm going to wait on 2nd generation equipment and actual games to come out before jumping in. Also, I have no time to play at the moment anyway.
 

tommo123

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tried augmented reality via some free app and it's cute but not 100%. a little critter walking on your desk doesn't quite sit flush or move properly. i'd imagine a virtual screen in front of me would be difficult to read since it would have to recalculate it's position relative to your FOV depending on your head movement.
 

Kaido

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VR is actually legit and viable right now. This isn't gameboy VR brother!

It's just very expensive and wild right now. I'm going to wait on 2nd generation equipment and actual games to come out before jumping in. Also, I have no time to play at the moment anyway.

imo most people should wait for second or even third-gen VR. The ultimate VR setup will be 120-degree FOV with 8K x 8K resolution & wireless streaming with a swappable battery pack that gets at least a few hours of life. 4K phones are already out (Oculus was using cell phone screens from Samsung from the developer models) & Samsung has already talked about an 11K screen, so the next generation should be a pretty good step up from what's available now. The GearVR adds a gyroscope & gamepad over Google Cardboard, and the Oculus adds PC rendering power & 90fps on top of that, and each one is an enhanced experience over the other.

But yeah...you're really looking at nearly $2k for a from-scratch setup for a desktop-based VR system right now, with limited content & bugs still be worked out. I don't recommend that people get into it unless they really really want to, and even then, just pick up a GearVR to play with.
 

nerp

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They already have VR social stuff for the GearVR. Stuff like Second Life is going to be HUGE on VR headsets. I mean, look at us here - ATOT is a social outlet for us nerds, and it's only text-based! Imagine the old Vent chat days but in VR

Yeah yeah. And Second Life was supposed to be huge on computers. And it wasn't. Like any online "community" it gets overrun by trolls and penis jokes. Or it becomes like Facebook and we already have Facebook, so it becomes nothing.
 
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