"So called judge"

[Jhhnn]

It may be hard for them to win because courts do defer and give discretion on immigration, and they'll definitely try to justify it with national security interests, which is a winning argument many times.

As I pointed out, green card holders have the same rights (sans voting) as the rest of us, including the right to travel. That's true for new green card holders who have not yet entered this country, as well, no matter where they come from. If I can travel to Somalia & come back, for example, they can too. It's always been that way until... Trump goes grandstanding.

It's all bullshit. There's absolutely no basis to believe that an Iraqi or an Iranian is any more dangerous than a Saudi or an Afghani. It's fantasy.

 

[woolfe9998]

Trump berates the free press, the intelligence community, and the judiciary. I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump's presidency will end in either of two ways: with him becoming a dictator, or with him being thrown out of office.

Look closely at what happens between Trump and Russia over this Ukraine business. It might be where this all ends.

 

[jackstar7]

Trump berates the free press, the intelligence community, and the judiciary. I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump's presidency will end in either of two ways: with him becoming a dictator, or with him being thrown out of office.

Look closely at what happens between Trump and Russia over this Ukraine business. It might be where this all ends.

I wonder if we might see the first open coup with a civilian/military coalition.

 

[woolfe9998]

I wonder if we might see the first open coup with a civilian/military coalition.

At this point, almost anything could happen.

The reason I say the Ukraine will be the flash point is because Trump, for whatever reason, seems unable to go against Putin under any circumstances. If he appeases Putin over the Ukraine, while Russia, say, marches troops into Kiev, a number of GOP in Congress are going to start yelling really loud. This is where I foresee a possible Constitutional crisis. Al that point, we'll find out which of the GOP actually cares at all about the country.

 

[blackangst1]

At this point, almost anything could happen.

The reason I say the Ukraine will be the flash point is because Trump, for whatever reason, seems unable to go against Putin under any circumstances. If he appeases Putin over the Ukraine, while Russia, say, marches troops into Kiev, a number of GOP in Congress are going to start yelling really loud. This is where I foresee a possible Constitutional crisis. We'll also find out which of the GOP actually cares at all about the country.

Whee in the constitution does it say we are obligated to intervene in foreign humanitarian and military events?

 

[woolfe9998]

Whee in the constitution does it say we are obligated to intervene in foreign humanitarian and military events?

It doesn't...

 

[blackangst1]

It doesn't...

Then why would there be a constitutional crisis over that?

 

[woolfe9998]

Then why would there be a constitutional crisis over that?

When the POTUS is at odds with Congress over suspicions that the POTUS is colluding with a hostile foreign power, one way or another, it may lead to a Constitutional crisis. It may cause impeachment proceedings, or it may take a different course. But it won't just be a normal disagreement between the two branches of government.

 

[blackangst1]

When the POTUS is at odds with Congress over suspicions that the POTUS is colluding with a hostile foreign power, one way or another, it may lead to a Constitutional crisis. It may cause impeachment proceedings, or it may take a different course. But it won't just be a normal disagreement between the two branches of government.

Well, it depends. If POTUS is colluding in a political way, acting against the Republic, then yes you're right. If there's proof. But making business deals...IF that were to happen, is not an impeachable offense. Poor taste? Absolutely. But not impeachable. I know alot of people despise Trump but I don't see him colluding with Russia with state secrets, etc. It's nothing but wild

 

[Commodus]

Trump berates the free press, the intelligence community, and the judiciary. I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump's presidency will end in either of two ways: with him becoming a dictator, or with him being thrown out of office.

Look closely at what happens between Trump and Russia over this Ukraine business. It might be where this all ends.

I would be surprised if he becomes a dictator, because that would require the broad consent of the military and law enforcement. Even though many in those organizations are conservative-leaning, I doubt there's enough support that Trump could use troops to keep himself in power.

Being removed from office seems increasingly likely at this point... the question is, how? It's safe to say that Republicans will probably gloss over illegal acts so long as they think they can stay in office. It may take something so egregious that not impeaching Trump would be career suicide. I mean, Trump has managed to anger enough people that the Republicans will likely take a severe blow regardless, but he hasn't gone beyond the pale for enough of them yet.

 

[Mai72]

Trump's trying to bypass the Constitution. That's the opinion of CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/opini...-chilling-tweet-obeidallah-opinion/index.html

You have to remember that Trump is unlike every president before him. He's an egomaniac. He doesn't give a f*ck about checks and balances that our forefathers put in place. Because they knew of the dangers of a possible dictator taking office.

This is only the 2nd week of Trump's presidency. If he's able to somehow circumvent the Constitution it's going to be scary. He could implement what he wants, whenever. His actions alone could destabilize America and the world.

 

[blackangst1]

Trump's trying to bypass the Constitution. That's the opinion of CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/opini...-chilling-tweet-obeidallah-opinion/index.html

You have to remember that Trump is unlike every president before him. He's an egomaniac. He doesn't give a f*ck about checks and balances that our forefathers put in place. Because they knew of the dangers of a possible dictator taking office.

This is only the 2nd week if Trumps presidency. If he's able to somehow circumvent the Constitution it's going to be scary. He could implement what he wants, whenever. His actions alone could destabilize America and the world.

And our very system of checks and balances would prevent this from happening.

 

[woolfe9998]

I would be surprised if he becomes a dictator, because that would require the broad consent of the military and law enforcement. Even though many in those organizations are conservative-leaning, I doubt there's enough support that Trump could use troops to keep himself in power.

Being removed from office seems increasingly likely at this point... the question is, how? It's safe to say that Republicans will probably gloss over illegal acts so long as they think they can stay in office. It may take something so egregious that not impeaching Trump would be career suicide. I mean, Trump has managed to anger enough people that the Republicans will likely take a severe blow regardless, but he hasn't gone beyond the pale for enough of them yet.

Agreed. It's unlikely he can pull off becoming a dictator, though I'm increasingly of the opinion that it won't be for lack of trying.

I suggested above what might drive the GOP to impeach him. There are already suspicions of his collusion with Putin. It's becoming harder and harder to ignore every day. Trump can't seem to say anything negative about him. Suppose Russia starts to move militarily against Ukraine and who knows what other states? Then our European allies are going to scream and beg for US help. If Trump just sits by and let's Putin overrun parts of Eastern Europe, the GOP will have to act. Especially if we start seeing Trump's approvals dip into mid to low 30's.

 

[Mai72]

And our very system of checks and balances would prevent this from happening.

Does it matter?

It gets sent straight to the Supreme Court which the Republicas have a slight edge. Trump knows this. Trump's going to put together these insane orders that are going to withstand the courts. What's next if the Supreme Court sides with Trump 95% of the time?

 

[blackangst1]

Agreed. It's unlikely he can pull off becoming a dictator, though I'm increasingly of the opinion that it won't be for lack of trying.

I suggested above what might drive the GOP to impeach him. There are already suspicions of his collusion with Putin. It's becoming harder and harder to ignore every day. Trump can't seem to say anything negative about him. Suppose Russia starts to move militarily against Ukraine and who knows what other states? Then our European allies are going to scream and beg for US help. If Trump just sits by and let's Putin overrun parts of Eastern Europe, the GOP will have to act. Especially if we start seeing Trump's approvals dip into mid to low 30's.

Aside from business interests, to what gain would Trump "collude" work Putin?

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[woolfe9998]

And our very system of checks and balances would prevent this from happening.

It probably will, but Trump doesn't respect checks and balances. For example, he berates federal judges for overruling his orders. That is just the beginning. I'm not saying Trump will succeed. I'm saying he's going to strain the boundaries and he may ultimately end up being removed from office.

 

[shady28]

Trump's trying to bypass the Constitution. That's the opinion of CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/opini...-chilling-tweet-obeidallah-opinion/index.html

You have to remember that Trump is unlike every president before him. He's an egomaniac. He doesn't give a f*ck about checks and balances that our forefathers put in place. Because they knew of the dangers of a possible dictator taking office.
...

A few blasts from the past.

RealClearPolitics :
How Obama Is Expanding Presidential Power | RealClearPolitics

Time :
Obama's Breathtaking Expansion of a President's Power To Make War

The Guardian :
Want to know just how much Obama overreached on executive power? Wait for America's next 'king'

 

[blackangst1]

It probably will, but Trump doesn't respect checks and balances. For example, he berates federal judges for overruling his orders. That is just the beginning. I'm not saying Trump will succeed. I'm saying he's going to strain the boundaries and he may ultimately end up being removed from office.

Perhaps. And I'm all for impeaching if he makes an impeachable act. But as we learned from recent presidents impeachment doesn't mean removal from office.

Look. Trump isn't my favorite. But for Gods sake I wish people would complain about actual issues. He's bit even come close to an impeachable offense. If he does, then I'm all for it.

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[Mai72]

Why can't we use nukes? Trump asked 3X!

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc...reports.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

The people get the president they deserve. Imagine if Trump goes rogue and starts firing off nukes. Ha.

 

[Jhhnn]

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Trump's trying to bypass the Constitution. That's the opinion of CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/opini...-chilling-tweet-obeidallah-opinion/index.html

You have to remember that Trump is unlike every president before him. He's an egomaniac. He doesn't give a f*ck about checks and balances that our forefathers put in place. Because they knew of the dangers of a possible dictator taking office.

This is only the 2nd week of Trump's presidency. If he's able to somehow circumvent the Constitution it's going to be scary. He could implement what he wants, whenever. His actions alone could destabilize America and the world.

He'll need to corrupt the federal bureaucracy to do that. So far, DHS is complying with Robart's ruling, as they should.

 

[Grooveriding]

Trump very likely has a severe personality disorder. Are there no clauses to remove him for having an unsound mind. There is a mentally ill old man with his finger on the button.

This is a good sign though if it continues. The judiciary can continue to shut down Trumps illegality, hopefully it drives him to do something stupid enough to toss him out on his ass. He's not stable and a good way to bring him down Imo, is to mercilessly block his edicts in order to frustrate him. I also think constant belittlement from the media could push him over the edge. He's too weak to handle it like an adult and it could be a method to drive him right off the deep end.

 

[Maxima1]

As I pointed out, green card holders have the same rights (sans voting) as the rest of us, including the right to travel. That's true for new green card holders who have not yet entered this country, as well, no matter where they come from. If I can travel to Somalia & come back, for example, they can too. It's always been that way until... Trump goes grandstanding.

The argument holds water for current green card persons via due process. But if it's held up, they get their day in court and through national security reasons are going to be told to take a hike.

It's all bullshit. There's absolutely no basis to believe that an Iraqi or an Iranian is any more dangerous than a Saudi or an Afghani. It's fantasy.

How is it BS? We all know terrorism comes from Muslims. There may be differences in chance from Sunnis, Shiites, nationalities, etc. but it's inane to deny that Islam poses a unique threat. There is no equal protection in immigration policy. The US isn't obligated to take the same rate of people in each nation or any other absurd social justice stance. What Europe has been doing is especially stupid with a significant Muslim pop growing in many of those nations. Really, the Western leaders should have gotten together and PAID for some Muslim countries to take them.

 

[woolfe9998]

Aside from business interests, to what gain would Trump "collude" work Putin?

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Two possibilities: one is blackmail; the other is mutuality of interest. Putin helped put Trump into the oval office with his hacking and fake news operations. All this could well be a quid pro quo for past and future favors.

From very early on, I have wondered why Trump was praising Putin. Didn't anyone else think that was bizarre when it first came up in the primaries early last year? AFAIK, no POTUS or candidate for POTUS has ever taken the position of offering unqualified praise for a dictator who has been hostile to the US. Approval polls say 20% of Americans like Putin, and that's only after Trump has been praising him. Trump's position on Putin and Russia could only have hurt him politically. He won both elections, but in spite of his praising Putin, not because of it. So why is he saying what he's saying? Why has he literally never said a bad word about Putin, even now, after he's been accused of being in cahoots, even on Fox News when confronted by questions from a fellow conservative? It's the easiest thing to do, to condemn Putin's murdering of his opposition, but Trump can't bring himself to do it?

I've been struggling for a long time to find answers to these questions. Everyone else should be too because this is as serious a matter as there is.

 

[Jhhnn]

The argument holds water for current green card persons via due process. But if it's held up, they get their day in court and through national security reasons are going to be told to take a hike.



How is it BS? We all know terrorism comes from Muslims. There may be differences in chance from Sunnis, Shiites, nationalities, etc. but it's inane to deny that Islam poses a unique threat. There is no equal protection in immigration policy. The US isn't obligated to take the same rate of people in each nation or any other absurd social justice stance. What Europe has been doing is especially stupid with a significant Muslim pop growing in many of those nations. Really, the Western leaders should have gotten together and PAID for some Muslim countries to take them.

Green card holders can't be thrown out for violating no law. The notion is absurd.

Visa holders from one Muslim nation cannot be shown to be more dangerous than if from another. Well, unless you consider the 9/11 attackers, none of whose native lands are on the stupid list.

It's grandstanding & pandering to well cultivated anti Muslim sentiment.

 

[amenx]

Not only a Bush appointed judge but confirmed by senate 99-0. I wonder if Trump cant see how stupid this makes him look.