"So called judge"

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Unless I missed some news what was "Damaging". All I know he said was "so called Judge"... He called the other Judge a Mexican. As I understood it that judge was of Mexican heritage..

Neither amounts to a hill of beans and neither is damaging.
so a sitting president questions the validity of a judge and there's nothing damaging in that. oooookay.
 

umbrella39

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If by random you mean the countries targeted by the Obama administration for the reason of "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters.", then yeah.
Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds when you or someone else regurgitates this horse shit?
 

blackangst1

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Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds when you or someone else regurgitates this horse shit?

So are you denying Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (expanded to all seven countries "of concern" in February 2016)??? Really?
 

pcgeek11

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so a sitting president questions the validity of a judge and there's nothing damaging in that. oooookay.

Anybody can question the validity of a judge. It isn't illegal. It is called free speech. It would be another thing if he claimed he was a child molester or whatever... Something that was actually damaging.

It is just like everyone questioning Trumps validity now. It is not illegal or slander.
 
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Anybody can question the validity of a judge. It isn't illegal. It is called free speech. It would be another thing if he claimed he was a child molester or whatever... Something that was actually damaging.

It is just like everyone questioning Trumps validity now. It is not illegal or slander.
you seriously don't see the difference of a president questioning the validity of a sitting judge and a shmoe like me questioning the validity of the president? really?
 

Jhhnn

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Responses above are examples of why it will just keep getting worse, and why the GOP would be stupid not to escalate. If they don't, the Dems will first chance they get. Time to go thermo.

Bullshit. Dems could have gone all the way in 2013 & did not. The only reason that Repubs didn't back in 2005 was defections from their own ranks.
 

Jhhnn

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you seriously don't see the difference of a president questioning the validity of a sitting judge and a shmoe like me questioning the validity of the president? really?

He'll latch on to any rationalization he can find.
 

pcgeek11

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you seriously don't see the difference of a president questioning the validity of a sitting judge and a shmoe like me questioning the validity of the president? really?

Questioning something is not slandering regardless of who does it. You can't see the difference? Really?
 

umbrella39

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So are you denying Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (expanded to all seven countries "of concern" in February 2016)??? Really?
So you are claiming Obama enacted a travel ban against these 7 countries in 2015 or 2016??? Really?
 

Jhhnn

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If by random you mean the countries targeted by the Obama administration for the reason of "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters.", then yeah.

Link?

If we think about it at all, the fact remains that the 9/11 attackers didn't come from any of those countries. None of the others who've done such things in this country did, either, iirc.

There's no reason to think that people from any of those countries are more dangerous to us than those from other parts of the Islamic world.

If the process of demonization of Muslims in general works well enough in this country then we won't object when & if our lying Israeli friends crush the Pals into the dust. That's the whole point of the exercise afaict. If we were dumb enough to fall for Trump then we'll probably fall for that, too, with a little more work.
 

blackangst1

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Link?

If we think about it at all, the fact remains that the 9/11 attackers didn't come from any of those countries. None of the others who've done such things in this country did, either, iirc.

There's no reason to think that people from any of those countries are more dangerous to us than those from other parts of the Islamic world.

If the process of demonization of Muslims in general works well enough in this country then we won't object when & if our lying Israeli friends crush the Pals into the dust. That's the whole point of the exercise afaict. If we were dumb enough to fall for Trump then we'll probably fall for that, too, with a little more work.

I posted it above. And here was part pf the outrage over it: http://www.civilrights.org/advocacy/letters/2015/oppose-hr-158-the-visa.html

edit: and the continued claim none of the people involved in 9/11 were from those 7 countries IS true, but lame. Do you deny the presence of ISIS in those 7 countries?

Also, Trump's order is absolutely within the law under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, specifically this provision “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
 

Meghan54

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Questioning something is not slandering regardless of who does it. You can't see the difference? Really?

So, what are we questioning when the statement is made "so-called judge?"

What exactly? Certainly not the fact that he's a judge. He's a damned judge, appointed by Bush, confirmed by a Repub. Senate 99-0. He wasn't a damned shoe salesman before being nominated by Bush, so what's being questioned by the "so-called" comment?

When I hear a judge being called a "so-called judge", I hear someone questioning the judge's legitimacy. What else can it be?

And that's exactly why the comment can very well be viewed as slander, because the judge is a damned judge, completely legitimate, even has a law degree (imagine that). It's sort of a provable fact.

Ed: I see Spicer trying to further the de-legitimizing of this judge today when he said the judge went "rogue."
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...omewhat-sad-to-see-a-judge-go-rogue-like-this
 
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blackangst1

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So were you applauding Obama when he signed this? Or just citing it now for a false equivalence only?

No, I thought the same thing I think now: its not the right way to fight terrorism. Im all for getting enraged for valid reasons, but saying Trump simply pulled these countries out of his ass is 100% incorrect.

But what do we know? We're armchair terrorism fighters, and there's a fuck ton of info in POTUS security meetings we'll never be privy to.
 
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I posted it above. And here was part pf the outrage over it: http://www.civilrights.org/advocacy/letters/2015/oppose-hr-158-the-visa.html

edit: and the continued claim none of the people involved in 9/11 were from those 7 countries IS true, but lame. Do you deny the presence of ISIS in those 7 countries?

Also, Trump's order is absolutely within the law under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, specifically this provision “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
You realize that a HUGE number of the people who went to Syria to fight for ISIS didn't come from any of those 7 countries right? Literally thousands. A lot come from visa exempt countries
 

blackangst1

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You realize that a HUGE number of the people who went to Syria to fight for ISIS didn't come from any of those 7 countries right? Literally thousands. A lot come from visa exempt countries

Yup. And Obama's 2015 bill AND Trump's EO dont care about country of origin. Only if someone has been there.
 

jackstar7

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No, I thought the same thing I think now: its not the right way to fight terrorism. Im all for getting enraged for valid reasons, but saying Trump simply pulled these countries out of his ass is 100% incorrect.

But what do we know? We're armchair terrorism fighters, and there's a fuck ton of info in POTUS security meetings we'll never be privy to.
I'm not at all involved in fighting terrorism. I am interested in fighting terror. It's a sad state to find someone, but all the more common as we go.

Also, the security meetings he doesn't attend? You're not helping your case here that Trump is even trying to fight terror. He's using it as a cover to keep his Muslim Ban promise. And it worked just fine for his flock.
 
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Yup. And Obama's 2015 bill AND Trump's EO dont care about country of origin. Only if someone has been there.
Lol and you think the people slipping in through Turkey, or Jordan, or... Are getting their passports stamped?

No wonder this travel ban makes sense to you.
 
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