Hehe. I mean, dang. It doesn't matter if they moved slightly to the right; if you think it's OK to pass on the left behind someone with a left turn signal on, or that they're signaling you to go around them on the left... turn over your driver's license because you don't deserve it.I wasn't planning on responding in a thread about people who "drive on the wrong side of the road" (<sly look left and right smiley here>), but clamum's point seems pretty logical to me.
It's funny how many people seem to miss that, in OP's scenario, the left signal is on.NJ is the wild west now. No cop cares about signaling, rolling though stop signs, or pulling out half way into an intersection and stopping. They only care about MPH when they're on the side of the road doing paper work. That might be the courts fault or prosecutors.
Saying that, no, I would not pass the guy. Too many unknowns and assumptions.
Yeah. I move left so I can make a wider right turn, but I don't know how it would help to move right before making a left turn (in countries where we drive on the right side).I'd just like to say if you turn right to turn left, you are a terrible driver and I'd like to stab you in the neck.
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It's funny how many people seem to miss that, in OP's scenario, the left signal is on.
LEFT SIGNAL MEANS "I intend to move left."
LEFT SIGNAL NEVER MEANS "You are free to go into the oncoming lane to our left and go around me because I have no intention to move left."
Left turn signal is not an "unknown" in this scenario.
I'd just like to say if you turn right to turn left, you are a terrible driver and I'd like to stab you in the neck.
Yeah. I move left so I can make a wider right turn, but I don't know how it would help to move right before making a left turn (in countries where we drive on the right side).
1. Never signal. It simply never helps your cause, be it on the freeway or on pedestrian roads. It only serves as to tell dickholes "I'm doing X. So make sure you do Y to prevent me from doing X."
Because my neighbors car forces me into the middle of the street.Why would you swing right before turning left?
It apparently appears that away to some folksYou are sending mixed signals to the vehicle following you.
No it should be pretty obvious that I was going from the middle of road back to my lane after passing my neighbors car. But then I had to turn leftIs he pulling over and just put the wrong signal on?
How bad is your turning radius that you need to swing right to make a left hand turn?
Attitudes like that, the me me me vs everyone is the problem and anyone who inst signalling at all times is a selfish childish immature dickhead for not.
Some of you guys really don't understand and I can only guess you're in smaller or less crowded cities with less traffic. Let me put this into perspective for you: In Houston - every day (weekday, weekend) at any time (except maybe between ~11:00PM - 4:00AM the traffic scene is at minimal the equivalent of other cities rush hour. During our ACTUAL rush hour times, it's a circus as our freeways basically become clown cars of trying to fit shit in that just doesn't fit
Now normally - what you said makes a WHOLE LOT of LOGICAL SENSE. You signal in order to alert other drivers - so that they too can know to avoid you. That doesn't happen - and that doesn't work that way in Houston. Signaling to people on our freeways is like saying "QUICK! Someone get in his fucking way!" On the surface, it is meant to PREVENT danger. In reality, it INCITES danger by people actively performing actions that increase the likelihood of an accident. That is why I don't signal while in my city.
Don't get me wrong, I signal anywhere else. I signal in other cities. I signal on feter roads and neighborhood roads. I signal on the interstate while driving to other cities, etc... It is strictly in this shithole god forsaken city on highways that I refuse to signal because it creates a danger instead of a safety.
For more context from someone else that understands - see Paratus' reply below. He understands exactly what I am saying and proves my point further with the bolded part.
Exterous gets it as well.
Because my neighbors car forces me into the middle of the street.
It apparently appears that away to some folks
No it should be pretty obvious that I was going from the middle of road back to my lane after passing my neighbors car. But then I had to turn left
But in reality I have to avoid the Malibu parked at the end of the driveway and I don’t want to run over the grass as I’ve got sprinkler heads right at the end of the driveway.
- Our Subaru BRZ - Great!
- Our Malibu - Meh
- Our Suburban -Lol
Read my follow-up - Quoted below.
It seems illogical, but it is actually LESS SAFE to signal than it is to signal.
It seems illogical because it is illogical.
https://woodsinsurance.com/avoid-accidents-importance-of-using-turn-signals/
"Study: Turn Signal Neglect Now A Serious Safety Issue
A study conducted by the Society of Automotive Engineers made a rather surprising claim when presented last week in Dayton, Ohio: Turn signal neglect is causing millions of crashes per year and may be more dangerous than distracted driving.
SAE observed a total of 12,000 lane-changing and turning vehicles and concluded 25 percent of drivers neglected to signal when turning and a whopping 48 percent neglected to do so when changing lanes. Applying these percentages to U.S. drivers as a whole translates to 750 billion instances of turn signal neglect per year – or more than 2 billion instances per day, according to the study.
The study estimated that approximately 2 million crashes per year are a direct result of this issue.
By comparison, the U.S. Department of Transportation estimates that about 950,000 crashes are the direct result of distracted driving (driving while texting, talking on the phone, eating, putting on makeup, etc.).
“This is a first-of-its-kind report on a subject that amazingly, has never been studied,” said Richard Ponziana, president of RLP Engineering and author of the report. “The turn signal is one of the very original automotive crash prevention devices and this simple driver-to-driver communication device remains extremely effective, but only when it is accurately displayed as required by law.”
“The turn signal can no longer be considered ‘optional’ and all drivers have an ongoing duty to use it, just as they have a duty to stop at a stop sign or at a red light.”"
It will continue to be that way until more people like you make a conscious effort to drive differently instead of contributing to the problem.Again - how many times do I have to reitterate this? if I signal and that makes someone get MORE in my way - how is that a step in the "safer" direction? Please explain wise one.
I get the feeling people like you are just oblivious to real packed city life. It's already been explained by multiple people here that if you signal on the highway in packed cities, people will deliberately make it UNSAFE. How is that a hard concept for you to understand?
Go cite all the stupid fucking articles you want - my city isn't the national standard of driving automobiles. It doesn't cite the traffic we have - and it doesn't cite the dickhead personalities that we have.
It will continue to be that way until more people like you make a conscious effort to drive differently instead of contributing to the problem.
All the worst, most-inconsiderate drivers genuinely believe they are the best drivers and everyone else is terrible at it. If they get involved in an accident, they internally blame it on the "shitty" drivers around them.
I stated earlier in this thread: Metro Atlanta area. I drive through Atlanta every other day (today included).And now you're just making more stupid assumptions. Just because I do not signal does not mean I react like other people do.
If someone else signals, that is my indication to take my foot off the gas pedal in order to make more room for that person. I drive INCREDIBLY defensively - especially in my city of all places.
How is anything that I said "contributing to the problem".
Also please answer - where do you live so I can prove the point that you have no clue what you're talking about?
I hate when people signal a right turn and then, as they are slowing to make the turn, suddenly veer left before turning right. I seriously want to punch those idiots. And I see people do that all the time.
What you’re doing would irritate the shit out of me but I wouldn’t pass you in that situation either. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Case in point. I got behind some guy who obviously didn’t know where he was going. I could see him on his phone looking up at the buildings.
He’s going 10mph under and swerving back and forth. I’m giving him a wide berth. Finally he signals right at a stop sign and comes to a complete halt next to the curb.
I give him a moment to see if he’s really stopped because I can tell he’s still not looking at the road. As soon as I start going around he cuts me off going left.
1. Never signal. It simply never helps your cause, be it on the freeway or on pedestrian roads. It only serves as to tell dickholes "I'm doing X. So make sure you do Y to prevent me from doing X."
Again - how many times do I have to reitterate this? if I signal and that makes someone get MORE in my way - how is that a step in the "safer" direction? Please explain wise one.
I get the feeling people like you are just oblivious to real packed city life. It's already been explained by multiple people here that if you signal on the highway in packed cities, people will deliberately make it UNSAFE. How is that a hard concept for you to understand?
Go cite all the stupid fucking articles you want - my city isn't the national standard of driving automobiles. It doesn't cite the traffic we have - and it doesn't cite the dickhead personalities that we have.