By a murderous fu*k.There were many ways this could have played out. Unecessarily escalating a situation by blind siding someone and throwing them to the pavement in a stand your ground heavily armed state seems like a good way to get shot.
They have decided. They've legalized murder by [white] people.Florida needs to figure out how far they want to take their stance on stand your ground.
Here is a case where a man with a pattern of harassment has created another disturbance while harrasing a women and her children for standing in a handicap parking spot.
A patron alerts the father\boyfriend that his girlfriend along with his children are being harassed.
He comes out of the store and shoves the man.
The man falls.
When the man reaches for his pocket, the boyfriend\father begins to retreat.
When the gun is drawn, the man is in retreat.
Florida needs to decide if shooting someone who is retreating is justified under their law.
The shooter’s attention is clearly directed towards the vehicle. If you watch his body language, the shove catches the shooter completely off guard, which is probably why the “shove” sent him to the ground...blind side, also known as a sucker punch.How do you blindside somebody putting both hands on their chest? Inquiring minds want to know
Sucker punch, blind side, yes...but a shove is not the same as either of those..The shooter’s attention is clearly directed towards the vehicle. If you watch his body language, the shove catches the shooter completely off guard, which is probably why the “shove” sent him to the ground...blind side, also known as a sucker punch.
These weren’tHe was clearly shoved, not violently thrown.
Shoving is what kids do to one another jockeying for position in the lunch line. This was unecessary assault. Doesn’t justify the shooter using deadly force, but as I said previously, it was the victim who chose to escalate to assault.Sucker punch, blind side, yes...but a shove is not the same as either of those..
You do. Says so right in the law that the fear must be "reasonable", which is subjective of course.You should be required to have a reasonable fear for your life or grave bodily harm.
Left out a Huge part, Drejka had done this before (not shot someone). Where does that fit in?Good column by John Romano with the Tampa Bay Times.
Let’s start by hitting rewind.
Go past the fatal gunshot captured on a grainy black-and-white video, and focus on the door opening at a Clearwater convenience store. It took Markeis McGlockton six seconds to reach the man arguing with McGlockton’s girlfriend in the parking lot.
What was running through his mind? Was he worried about his girlfriend and children? Did he really think a middle-aged man standing outside a car was a threat? Had he already made the decision to knock Michael Drejka to the ground and then fatefully take another step in the fallen man’s direction?
Rewind the video a little more.
Drejka pulls his SUV perpendicular to the McGlockton car, as if his entire reason for being there was to initiate a confrontation. Did he think he was going to make someone see the error of their ways? Did he think a minute-long argument in a parking lot was going to be productive? Did he think he was a hero?
Rewind the video a little more.
There are three empty parking spaces directly in front of the Circle A Food Store on Sunset Point Road when the McGlockton car enters the screen. The car immediately pulls into a handicapped space. Did Britany Jacobs not know she was parking illegally? Take it a step farther. Did she not care?
The video captures only a few minutes, but the story goes back much farther.
Rewind to the 2017 Florida Legislative session in Tallahassee.
The "stand your ground’’ law had already been on the books for a dozen years, and justifiable homicides in Florida had risen by 75 percent according to one medical study. The law was clearly working to the benefit of residents claiming self-defense in homicide cases.
And yet legislators wanted to skew it even farther in that direction. At the behest of the powerful National Rifle Association lobby, lawmakers — including more than a dozen in the Tampa Bay area — changed the process for claiming immunity by passing SB 128.
Instead of a defendant having to show a preponderance of evidence (more than 50 percent) that they were entitled to a "stand your ground’’ defense, the law required prosecutors to show beyond a reasonable doubt (a much higher standard) that a shooter was not entitled to the defense.
At the time, Hillsborough State Attorney Andrew Warren said it was unprecedented in Florida that a law forced the state to disprove a legal defense before being allowed to prosecute a case.
Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri says the current law is also unique in that his office could be sued if he makes a good-faith arrest in a case, and "stand your ground’’ immunity is later determined to apply.
So, yes, McGlockton’s death was a senseless tragedy. And, yes, it is beyond infuriating that a jury may never get the chance to consider the facts and circumstances.
But this story is not fully explained by the final few seconds of a video or by the decisions of law enforcement and prosecutors.
This tragedy began long ago. It was accelerated by a series of poor decisions by three adults. And the result is three children will now grow up without a father.
With so many chances for a different outcome, I wonder if there are an equal number of regrets.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/The-story-of-this-stand-your-ground-case-is-not-told-by-four-seconds-of-video-_170314660
Left out a Huge part, Drejka had done this before (not shot someone). Where does that fit in?
He was clearly violently shoved. Shoved hard enough to lose his footing and forcibly fall. Still waiting for any assessment of his injuries, if any.He was clearly shoved, not violently thrown.
But the victim wasn't a baby and the murderer didn't use a grenade... Was it the black thing? It's the black thing isn't it? So, let me see if I've got this right... grenade babies, bullet black people? You're a sick fu*k Taj. Go Away you completely worthless hate machine.He was clearly violently shoved. Shoved hard enough to lose his footing and forcibly fall. Still waiting for any assessment of his injuries, if any.
The victim was forcefully pushed off a cliff. He could have died you know. The normal response is to murder. I see it all the time on LiveLeak and Reddit when fights are posted. Someone is pushed to the ground and winds up slept for life... </s>
All this thread is missing is Spatially... Some folks don't miss the chance to wax poetic in dead black dude threads...
Love to read their posts...
Damn I was unaware the shooter was a 15 year old girl... I take it all back!!!
Gang members have been "using" the law as well to escape prosecution from bad drug deals, turf wars etc.In Florida you can get away with murder....
In an earlier thread about SYG laws in Florida I found a story from a news paper about two people who got into a fight on some docks that ended up in the water... one person finally gave up and started walking away and was shot in the back of the head... no charges filed at all.
Florida's SYG laws are an abomination.
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But it still stands the best way for that guy not to have been shoved in the first place is to not have been harassing the man's family. I don't agree with the violence but the murderer knew he was taking his chances of instigating a poor reaction to his harassment of people.While I don't think it was a "good shoot", the shooter was clearly hit with a good amount of force, his head still could have been "spinning" when he took the shot.
It just crappy from all angles (dead guy, shooter, family left behind and the law).