So.... good shoot?

[kage69]

Non-related is the only proper way to describe this.

It's in no way related to the situation presented in the OP in any shape or form.

And yes, you did go dumb fuck at fault, you murdered an unarmed man.

You are a coward and you should OWN that.

In the future, refer to yourself as a coward because that is ALL that you are. A coward with a gun not ready to own up to his own mistakes kills a man and you expect me to pity you? To think that you are justified in your murder?

You pathetic weak little piece of shit.

Then you go on to say that you are not special and how you showed restraint and respect for proportional force?

You're a murderer whether you like it or not, there was absolutely no need for you to shoot a man for grabbing you while you were in your car.

Proportional force would have been if he actually had a weapon and according to you all he did was grab you through the window of your car.

lol

I remember my first beer...

 

[kage69]

Major reading comprehension fail, wow.

Seriously the best laugh I've had all day, so I'll give that to him/her/it at least. Join date of yesterday made it even better. Haha.

 

[Younigue]

You're viewing Florida through a Maine lens, Portland no less. Having spent considerable time in both states I can vouch for the required change in attitude should you be frequenting certain choice areas of Tampa or Miami. Literally the safest state in the union compared to the 7th or 8th most dangerous, yikes.

Also, I never said there wasn't a gun violence problem. Search my history on the subject here and then tell me I'm part of the problem.

Before I continue reading your post... I was in the Navy in Florida. I got me some Florida cred.

 

[Younigue]

You're viewing Florida through a Maine lens, Portland no less. Having spent considerable time in both states I can vouch for the required change in attitude should you be frequenting certain choice areas of Tampa or Miami. Literally the safest state in the union compared to the 7th or 8th most dangerous, yikes.

Also, I never said there wasn't a gun violence problem. Search my history on the subject here and then tell me I'm part of the problem.

Kage... Being a civilian with a gun IS being part of the problem.

 

[Younigue]

God damn murderers praising themselves for how they showed oh so much restraint against an unarmed assailant when they themselves are to blame for the situation in the first place...

Your brush is just fine.

1st: kage is not a murderer.

2nd: Thank you for agreeing that my brush is just fine.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I haven't kept on this thread and I'm too lazy to go back and read pages, but my question for those who justify the shooting:
If that woman had had a gun and shot the guy who was verbally attacking her, would she have been justified? I mean here was this bad-ass "alpha" Male all up in her face exerting his dominance and making her fear for her safety, right? The answer is yes, she was just standing her ground. She didn't have a gun, she had large husband who also feared for her safety. That was the trigger that got pulled and the dick was still alive. The difference was that pussy on the ground was too weak to accept his consequences for aggressively provoking a confrontation. He was a fearful piece of shit who brought this upon himself and got his ass taken out. He was afraid like so many people hiding behind their guns. I just wish she would have killed him and went with the "standing my ground defense". We would have one less fearful piece of shit and one more person who at least was protecting his family (in that moment at least).

I am sure you will not recognize the hypocrisy though.

There's a difference between castigating someone for illegally parking and violently assaulting them. Not that I would expect you to be honest about it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You're viewing Florida through a Maine lens, Portland no less. Having spent considerable time in both states I can vouch for the required change in attitude should you be frequenting certain choice areas of Tampa or Miami. Literally the safest state in the union compared to the 7th or 8th most dangerous, yikes.

Also, I never said there wasn't a gun violence problem. Search my history on the subject here and then tell me I'm part of the problem.

He's not, not at all, but he's more honest than most.

 

[Younigue]

There's a difference between castigating someone for illegally parking and violently assaulting them. Not that I would expect you to be honest about it.

There were children in the car. I don't know how every one refrained from throwing grenades in to it. Is that about right taj?

 

[Younigue]

He's not, not at all, but he's more honest than most.

Tajjy darlin' kage was responding to me pumpkin. It's real sweet that you consider me to be so honest. It's gotta be a bit of a gut punch to admit considering I'm pretty rough on ya. But then I don't say anything about you that you don't already know about yourself. Am I right? *wink*

*edit - I don't have a physical penis because I'm not a "he" but I think we both know mine is bigger than yours. I'm real sorry about that man.

 

[Paladin3]

Non-related is the only proper way to describe this.

It's in no way related to the situation presented in the OP in any shape or form.

And yes, you did go dumb fuck at fault, you murdered an unarmed man.

You are a coward and you should OWN that.

In the future, refer to yourself as a coward because that is ALL that you are. A coward with a gun not ready to own up to his own mistakes kills a man and you expect me to pity you? To think that you are justified in your murder?

You pathetic weak little piece of shit.

Then you go on to say that you are not special and how you showed restraint and respect for proportional force?

You're a murderer whether you like it or not, there was absolutely no need for you to shoot a man for grabbing you while you were in your car.

Proportional force would have been if he actually had a weapon and according to you all he did was grab you through the window of your car.

Got to agree with the reading comprehension fail comments.

I also want to make something very clear: If being attacked and I can't talk my way out of it or flee, I have no obligation to let myself be attacked. I'm not talking about picking a fight, I don't do that. I'm extra polite and avoid any kind of confrontation both when armed and unarmed. But if someone wants to fight me for whatever reason, and I can't talk my way out of it or flee, and they don't get the message and stop after I pull my gun, I'm using deadly force before I even take so much as a single punch.

That's the very definition of justified self-defense, and if that makes me a pussy in your mind then you are the crazy one. I don't start fights, and I have no obligation to allow myself to be attacked or fight fair if someone else does.

 

[Younigue]

Got to agree with the reading comprehension fail comments.

I also want to make something very clear: If being attacked and I can't talk my way out of it or flee, I have no obligation to let myself be attacked. I'm not talking about picking a fight, I don't do that. I'm extra polite and avoid any kind of confrontation both when armed and unarmed. But if someone wants to fight me for whatever reason, and I can't talk my way out of it or flee, I'm using deadly force before I even take so much as a punch.

If that makes me a pussy in your mind then you are the crazy one. I don't start fights, and I have no obligation to allow myself to be attacked or fight fair if someone else does.

Well yes, a pussy but also fu*king insane.

 

[compcons]

There's a difference between castigating someone for illegally parking and violently assaulting them. Not that I would expect you to be honest about it.

I am being completley honest. I was not there. Apparently you were and completely know what that situation looked like to the family. Talk about being dishonest. You apparently can't see past your belief that guns are always good. I have the ability to empathize with both parties. I was not there. I can envision a scenario where the woman and her husband felt that she was being verbally attacked and that it could lead to violence. I totally believe that the guy was afraid of more ass whipping at the hands of the husband. The difference being that guy started the shit, not the woman. He started an unnecessary argument knowing he had backup hidden away. Hence, he is a fucking pussy. He absolutely created the situation. THAT is the issue I have. Someone breaks into your house or attacks you or threatens you,? Blast away. Provoking a confrontation and then killing someone? Fuck you.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Tajjy darlin' kage was responding to me pumpkin. It's real sweet that you consider me to be so honest. It's gotta be a bit of a gut punch to admit considering I'm pretty rough on ya. But then I don't say anything about you that you don't already know about yourself. Am I right? *wink*

*edit - I don't have a physical penis because I'm not a "he" but I think we both know mine is bigger than yours. I'm real sorry about that man.

Hey Chubster, if I want your opinion i'll ring a dinner bell. It's the only way to get you to pay attention.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I am being completley honest. I was not there. Apparently you were and completely know what that situation looked like to the family. Talk about being dishonest. You apparently can't see past your belief that guns are always good. I have the ability to empathize with both parties. I was not there. I can envision a scenario where the woman and her husband felt that she was being verbally attacked and that it could lead to violence. I totally believe that the guy was afraid of more ass whipping at the hands of the husband. The difference being that guy started the shit, not the woman. He started an unnecessary argument knowing he had backup hidden away. Hence, he is a fucking pussy. He absolutely created the situation. THAT is the issue I have. Someone breaks into your house or attacks you or threatens you,? Blast away. Provoking a confrontation and then killing someone? Fuck you.

"verbally attacked" ? That's total bullshit.

And you think it was enough to support the violent shove/beat down of a guy who was quit legally complaining that the woman had broken the law?

Envision a scenario where you pull your head out of your ass and act honestly.

 

[Younigue]

"verbally attacked" ? That's total bullshit.

And you think it was enough to support the violent shove/beat down of a guy who was quit legally complaining that the woman had broken the law?

Envision a scenario where you pull your head out of your ass and act honestly.

You don't get to tell someone to take their head out of their ass when yours is so far up your ass you haven't seen daylight in lord only knows how long. You are just not in any position to know if anyone else has their head up their ass. On top of that you're too stupid to know the difference between an ass and a head. ... Because yours have become one with a heavy lean towards the waste side of things.

 

[compcons]

"verbally attacked" ? That's total bullshit.

And you think it was enough to support the violent shove/beat down of a guy who was quit legally complaining that the woman had broken the law?

Envision a scenario where you pull your head out of your ass and act honestly.

And not surprisingly, "violent shove" warrants shooting and killing someone in your book. One of the true signs of a conservative mind: the inability to see their own hypocrisy.

And you DO NOT know if that woman or her husband feared for her well being. They were not the ones hanging out looking to start shit about a parking spot. "Hey let's go park in a handicap spot so someone yells at me and you can beat them up." The shooter however was doing just that. Actions have consequences, but for pussy gun guy, they weren't nearly as bad.

You can keep saying I am being dishonest (which really doesn't even make sense) but you truly lack the ability to process anything beyond your own tiny set of beliefs or comprehend any scenario that is not laid out plainly before you. Another defining characteristic of the broken conservative mind.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Charged with manslaughter. Thank god.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooter-florida-stand-ground-case-charged-manslaughter/story?id=57151343

 

[Younigue]

Hey Chubster, if I want your opinion i'll ring a dinner bell. It's the only way to get you to pay attention.

But taj, with you liking my posts and defending them I thought you were all about me. Mixed signals dingleberry!

You can not know how pleased it makes me that you keep calling me fat! Thank you! It's been a tough journey getting to my goal weight but I'm here now and off to have a pudding. Gotta maintain! I struggled with my level of cuteness before I got here and that was NOT OK! I'm at peak cuteness with my current weight and feeling strong! If that's fat I ain't going back.

Now back to you... You're dumb as shit. You're an all around bad person. You have shit and bile running through your veins. You're a traitor and you're a wanna-be-grenade-baby-killer. It's just so... fu*ked up that you wouldn't rather be fat like me than the disease and stain on humanity that you are. Oh and you're super weak and impotent. Nothing to be done about it I suppose, you're married to being a vile piece of shit. <--- get that divorce man.

 

[Younigue]

I just want to take a moment to laugh and point at you mother fu*kers who defended that fu*ks right to kill that man. Fu*k you, you complete pieces of shit!

 

[Paladin3]

Charged with manslaughter. Thank god.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooter-florida-stand-ground-case-charged-manslaughter/story?id=57151343

The actions of the shooter deserve to go to trial and be scrutinized under the law by a judge and jury, at the very least.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The actions of the shooter deserve to go to trial and be scrutinized under the law by a judge and jury, at the very least.

Agreed. It’s not so cut and dry as some put it. Personally I still say bad shoot. He was waking away.

If nothing else come of this maybe just maybe it will reign in Florida’s kill at will law.

 

[DrunkenSano]

The actions of the shooter deserve to go to trial and be scrutinized under the law by a judge and jury, at the very least.

Absolutely, now it is up to the lawyers to try to paint a picture that will convince the jury. Also, this will hopefully help highlight just how bad SYG is and to get it changed.

But it's Florida.

 

[PlanetJosh]

That's trippy if it could've been possible for the shooter to get in trouble for brandishing a weapon if he did not shoot. Let's say he drew the weapon as he did but then did not shoot, and then crawled or tried to crawl away from the guy who pushed him. As if to try to escape. And let's say they both continue to move away from each other and that's the end of it. So the guy with the gun may have faced brandishing charges for that? Which was already discussed before in the thread, I was just wondering too about the result of the what if.

As for the video I don't think the couple of steps the guy walked toward the shooter after he pushed him was enough of a threat combined with the push to justify the shooting. That was a bit long worded, so in short I think the shooting was unlawful. And maybe because I sometimes tend to lean to the left is one reason I say that. But a conservative may say those steps toward the shooter as well as the push were enough to support a stand your ground defense. I'm afraid many of us, possibly me included, are looking at the video from a political point of view.

I realize some will say to me there's a common sense and non political way of looking at the video. They would say it's obvious to anyone that during and after the push the guy did not present enough of a threat to the shooter to justify the shooting. And some may use that to berate me for me for saying it's partly politics that the shooting is wrong and against the law instead of justice being the sole reason.

 

[Sunburn74]

That's trippy if it could've been possible for the shooter to get in trouble for brandishing a weapon if he did not shoot. Let's say he drew the weapon as he did but then did not shoot, and then crawled or tried to crawl away from the guy who pushed him. As if to try to escape. And let's say they both continue to move away from each other and that's the end of it. So the guy with the gun may have faced brandishing charges for that?

As for the video I don't think the couple of steps the guy walked toward the shooter after he pushed him was enough of a threat to justify the shooting. That was a bit long worded, so in short I think the shooting was unlawful. And maybe because I sometimes tend to lean to the left is one reason I say that. But a conservative may say those steps toward the shooter were enough to support a stand your ground defense. I'm afraid many of us, possibly me included, are looking at the video from a political point of view.

I realize some will say to me there's a common sense and non political way of looking at the video. They would say it's obvious to anyone that during and after the push the guy did not present a threat to the shooter. And some may use that to berate me for me for saying the shooting wasn't justified because of political views instead of justice.

Zero chance someone would face a brandishing charge in the situation you described.

I have a hard time looking at the video and thinking it was in self-defense. We've all been shoved in the back before in our lives in various situations. Show of hands. How many of us responded by blowing a hole in the pusher?

 

[SKORPI0]

Good. If it escalated to a fight, then fight like a man. use your fist. Don't be a coward and shoot the guy dead. The victim didn't pose a real deadly threat.
It didn't have to end this way for someone losing their life. Hope that shooter spends a long time in jail.