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Younigue

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So the guy on the ground felt he had no other option but to shoot the guy in the chest? To make the guy dead rather than incapacitated?

You fu*king gun heads are the worst! Believing logic or rationality plays a role in guns against people in the civilian world is just too fu*king stupid.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Good shoot? Well, legal shoot at least. While Florida needs to set a higher standard for the use of deadly force in the future, this is in bounds as the law is written now.

That being said, absolutely no tears will I shed for the dead thug. Don't assault people, don't get shot. Words to live by.

We do not allow the use of the derogatory, stealth-racist code word "thug" here.

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Younigue

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Good shoot? Well, legal shoot at least. While Florida needs to set a higher standard for the use of deadly force in the future, this is in bounds as the law is written now.

That being said, absolutely no tears will I shed for the dead thug. Don't assault people, don't get shot. Words to live by.
Fu*k you. I'm crying for him and I do not support violence.

If you thought someone you loved was being harassed or threatened you'd act 100% appropriately? You had better or make your peace with "God". Is that it?
 

whm1974

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Good shoot? Well, legal shoot at least. While Florida needs to set a higher standard for the use of deadly force in the future, this is in bounds as the law is written now.

That being said, absolutely no tears will I shed for the dead thug. Don't assault people, don't get shot. Words to live by.
Yeah but those who legally carry weapons should be very careful not to get into arguments.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Fu*k you. I'm crying for him and I do not support violence.

If you thought someone you loved was being harassed or threatened you'd act 100% appropriately? You had better or make your peace with "God". Is that it?

You're arguing against your own position here. Given how stupid that position is, it's no wonder.

So the dead thug saw someone TALKING to a person sitting in a car and has enough fear that the person was being threatened to commit a violent assault to remove the threat and that's okay to your sad little bleeding heart. But the person that was assaulted, after having been attacked once and faced with a known enemy still moving forward is not entitled to take steps to remove the threat? Gotcha. Yep, no contradictions there.

I hereby promise that if I ever assault another person without provocation I will not complain whatever happens to me because it's my own damn fault for committing a violent crime. And I hereby absolve you of the need to shed tears on my behalf because even if I am gunned down my criminal ass had it coming for attacking another person who could rightly fear for their own life.

Again with the racist code word "thug."

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Younigue

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Yeah but those who legally carry weapons should be very careful not to get into arguments.
And yet too many of them feel emboldened by their detached dicks. They get their guns and fantasize about the occasions in which they can whip it out and rape the life out of people with them.
 

Paratus

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Once you choose to assault another person, all bets are off in terms of their response
That’s why the woman’s husband should have been armed and shot the guy who got verbally aggressive.

Florida’s stand your ground law says as long as you fear for your life and have a right to be where you are you may use deadly force. So always be armed and shoot first and you’ll make it home. /s
 
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whm1974

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That’s why the woman’s husband should have been armed and shot the guy who got verbally aggressive.

Florida’s stand your ground law says as long as you fear for your life and have a right to be where you are you may use deadly force. So always be armed and shoot first and you’ll make it home. /s
You should be required to have a reasonable fear for your life or grave bodily harm.
 
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Younigue

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You're arguing against your own position here. Given how stupid that position is, it's no wonder.

So the dead thug saw someone TALKING to a person sitting in a car and has enough fear that the person was being threatened to commit a violent assault to remove the threat and that's okay to your sad little bleeding heart. But the person that was assaulted, after having been attacked once and faced with a known enemy still moving forward is not entitled to take steps to remove the threat? Gotcha. Yep, no contradictions there.

I hereby promise that if I ever assault another person without provocation I will not complain whatever happens to me and I hereby absolve you of the need to shed tears on my behalf because even I am gunned down my criminal ass had it coming for attacking another person who could rightly fear for their own life.
What the fu*k is wrong with you?

That person was his wife.

I am not contradicting myself you god damn loon. I don't support that he knocked the guy down. I don't support the fu*king murderer shooting him for it. No contradiction there.

I would cry for you. I would also think it was a ridiculous response for you to be violent.

You know what the murderer could have done instead? Get the license plate number and reported the woman for parkng in a handicap parking spot. He chose instead to harass her.

There's something wrong with you if you can't feel empathy for a man that was killed because he acted inappropriately. Fu*k you.
 

whm1974

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OK here in IL I think the shooter would have been charged and from watching the video, he would be very likely be convicted since the attacker backed off after the weapon was displayed. Or at that is how I understand the Law up here. However that has been awhile since the last time I looked this stuff up.
 
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Moonbeam

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All I know is that there is one dead asshole and one guy who has to live with his conscious about whether he was morally justified whatever the law happens to say. In California, we have to hope we live through the fall and don't get stomped to death while on the ground, with the possible hope while dying, in the case of the latter, the other guy gets life in prison.
 
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paperfist

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I can kinda see why he shot the husband. The husband kinda runs out of the store and just barrels the shooter over. The shooter doesn't really know who the husband is as he just jumped him by surprise.

Dude didn't deserve to die, but it's the wife's fault for allegedly parking in a handicap spot for an alleged bag of chips.
 

bradly1101

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https://nypost.com/2018/07/20/stand...r-in-deadly-fight-over-parking-space-sheriff/

Video of incident at link.

Summary. Man starts argument with woman for parking in a handicap spot without a permit. Husband of woman comes out and sees argument and pushes man to the ground but then steps back. Man on ground pulls out a gun and shoots the husband in the chest. He dies.

It has been ruled he can not be charged under Florida's current stand your ground laws.
If there are people anywhere behaving poorly/inappropriately (like that never happens) and one or both have a gun (like that never happens) reactions are often out of proportion; justification is needed.

With guns so widespread, you better not smile at a dude's babe; you could be planning to rape her, you must go down (sorry, after these 5 more shots of tequila).
 

balloonshark

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You know how most people with dash cams are assholes just because they have a dash cam? This may be a case where the guy with the gun is overstepping his authority because he is carrying around steel courage. So I wonder if the guy would have not confronted the woman if he didn't have a gun.

Also, what gives him the right to enforce the law? That's not his job and because he took it upon himself someone is now dead and a family now has no father or husband. If he had made a phone call this would have never happened. This is his fault for taking the law into his own hands.
 

whm1974

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You know how most people with dash cams are assholes just because they have a dash cam? This may be a case where the guy with the gun is overstepping his authority because he is carrying around steel courage. So I wonder if the guy would have not confronted the woman if he didn't have a gun.

Also, what gives him the right to enforce the law? That's not his job and because he took it upon himself someone is now dead and a family now has no father or husband. If he had made a phone call this would have never happened. This is his fault for taking the law into his own hands.
If I legally carried a deadly weapon, I'll do my best not to be an asshole and avoid getting into arguments with complete strangers.
 

Moonbeam

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If I legally carried a deadly weapon, I'll do my best not to be an asshole and avoid getting into arguments with complete strangers.
People who take their religion seriously may have imbibed and sufficiently absorbed the apophthegm, 'resist not evil' to the degree they may let pass a handicap parking violation but we will never know watching YouTube.
 

paperfist

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You know how most people with dash cams are assholes just because they have a dash cam? This may be a case where the guy with the gun is overstepping his authority because he is carrying around steel courage. So I wonder if the guy would have not confronted the woman if he didn't have a gun.

Also, what gives him the right to enforce the law? That's not his job and because he took it upon himself someone is now dead and a family now has no father or husband. If he had made a phone call this would have never happened. This is his fault for taking the law into his own hands.

I don't think he was trying to be a cop, he was just miffed that she parked in a handicap spot. You don't get mad when you see that or people taking 2 spaces or parking up against your door?

It's impossible to say from the video, but it doesn't look like it was a heated argument between the lady and the shooter. It got out of hand when the husband pushed the shooter so hard he fell to the ground.
 
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Jaskalas

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AFAIK here in IL, if someone enters your place, you just can't shoot him. That person has to be an actual threat or give you good reason to believe that he is.

Knocked to the ground, that's not just a threat - violence has been used against him.
Approaching while on the ground, that's the threat of more violence. He wasn't wrong to be afraid.

The issue is this: He draws the gun, but should he use it? Should he fire and kill the person? The gun was being respected, he was backing down. That points towards deescalation unless he was retreating to grab his own weapon. But that is an unknown risk. The actual risk was diffused before he killed the assailant. Then there is the fact that he did instigate the conflict in the first place. He gets no points for doing that.

He was not wrong to be afraid, but he was completely wrong to pull that trigger. If our laws do not reflect that - then our laws need to change.
 

whm1974

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Knocked to the ground, that's not just a threat - violence has been used against him.
Approaching while on the ground, that's the threat of more violence. He wasn't wrong to be afraid.

The issue is this: He draws the gun, but should he use it? Should he fire and kill the person? The gun was being respected, he was backing down. That points towards deescalation unless he was retreating to grab his own weapon. But that is an unknown risk. The actual risk was diffused before he killed the assailant. Then there is the fact that he did instigate the conflict in the first place. He gets no points for doing that.

He was not wrong to be afraid, but he was completely wrong to pull that trigger. If our laws do not reflect that - then our laws need to change.
I agree.
 

Xenon

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You have to acknowledge that it's probably legal given Florida's fucked up law but that doesn't make it right. You can rest assured that if there is a God the shooter will be spending eternity in hell.
 

Younigue

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I don't think he was trying to be a cop, he was just miffed that she parked in a handicap spot. You don't get mad when you see that or people taking 2 spaces or parking up against your door?

It's impossible to say from the video, but it doesn't look like it was a heated argument between the lady and the shooter. It got out of hand when the husband pushed the shooter so hard he fell to the ground.
The way the murderer was jutting his neck forward to emphasize his words he wasn't talking gently enough for it to be mistaken for a conversation about adorable puppies.
 
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