So.... good shoot?

[NAC4EV]

ONLY IN AMERICA

Today Americans are no longer a caring people. and they have lost their ability to be a civilized society.

NO JUDGE NO JURY needed.

Did race play any part in this??????
YOU BET IT DID.
The shooter was white his victim was black.
Pinellas County Sheriff Department is mostly white.
The case is being forward to the State Attorney’s Office for a final decision.

The shooter initiated the incident by being the road warrior . He knew he had a license to kill, he didn't give any indication he was armed until he drew his pistol.

Life is very precious.

 

[cfenton]

That is really stupid. However couldn't the "arrestie" sue the other person for false arrest if it turns out at he wasn't in fact breaking any laws?

Maybe. Citizens have less leeway when it comes to mistakes of fact than police officers do. The person performing the arrest has to be very sure a crime was committed.

Yes, the response needs to be reasonable. Throwing someone to the ground because they’ve confronted you and your girlfriend for doing something inconsiderate is not a reasonable response.

You're probably right, but that just means the husband opened himself up to an assault charge. It has nothing to do with the shooter's response to the assault. There are very few circumstances where shooting an unarmed person is going to count as a reasonable response to the threat.

Short version: If you don't want to be shot, don't assault people. Do not think you or anyone else has the option of assaulting someone then just taking two steps backwards and acting like you got away with it. That is not how things work.

That's just not how the law works. Getting assaulted doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to the person who assaulted you. You're supposed to do what you can to deescalate the situation. Also, the husband wouldn't have gotten away with anything. The shooter could have had him charged with assault. It was all captured on video after all.

 

[whm1974]

ONLY IN AMERICA

Today Americans are no longer a caring people. and they have lost their ability to be a civilized society.

NO JUDGE NO JURY needed.

Did race play any part in this??????
YOU BET IT DID.
The shooter was white his victim was black.
Pinellas County Sheriff Department is mostly white.
The case is being forward to the State Attorney’s Office for a final decision.

The shooter initiated the incident by being the road warrior . He knew he had a license to kill, he didn't give any indication he was armed until he drew his pistol.

Life is very precious.

The State Attorney Office can not only still charge the shooter, they can also bring addictal charges against him as well.

 

[kage69]

The State Attorney Office can not only still charge the shooter, they can also bring addictal charges against him as well.

From some of the interviews I've seen so far today, I think it's highly likely we will indeed see something additional. Wrongful death civil? The victim, on camera, backing up before the gun was fired seems to be a crucial point here, and as I've posted earlier this shooter has a history of doing this exact same kind of confronting, then issuing threats. I still expect the NRA yeehawdi of Florida to fight it tooth and nail, as well as to avoid any and all introspection on how this law fails the public. NRA is probably doing it's best to scare the AG, if it hasn't already. The last thing they want is for this to stay in the news leading up to the mid-terms, as there's already enough outrage over gun deaths out there.

For the rest of us, I hope this footage becomes widespread in training classes as an example of what not to do. You get rocked, then swarmed with a flurry of additional attacks while on your back? Using your gun might be a good idea. A dick pushes you to the ground but then backs off? That shouldn't lead to deadly force being used. Another lesson here is your initial encounter with a non-violent person shouldn't be a violent assault. There was fail to go around here, really hope people can learn from it.

 

[BUTCH1]

The State Attorney Office can not only still charge the shooter, they can also bring addictal charges against him as well.

Yea, we'll see, this might wind up being an interesting case as it plays out, while he clearly was assaulted the guy had stopped and was defiantly trying to clear the area as he was killed.

 

[whm1974]

From some of the interviews I've seen so far today, I think it's highly likely we will indeed see something additional. Wrongful death civil? The victim, on camera, backing up before the gun was fired seems to be a crucial point here, and as I've posted earlier this shooter has a history of doing this exact same kind of confronting, then issuing threats. I still expect the NRA yeehawdi of Florida to fight it tooth and nail, as well as to avoid any and all introspection on how this law fails the public. NRA is probably doing it's best to scare the AG, if it hasn't already. The last thing they want is for this to stay in the news leading up to the mid-terms, as there's already enough outrage over gun deaths out there.

For the rest of us, I hope this footage becomes widespread in training classes as an example of what not to do. You get rocked, then swarmed with a flurry of additional attacks while on your back? Using your gun might be a good idea. A dick pushes you to the ground but then backs off? That shouldn't lead to deadly force being used. Another lesson here is your initial encounter with a non-violent person shouldn't be a violent assault. There was fail to go around here, really hope people can learn from it.

The NRA should use this as an example of what not to do, like don't be the jackass that started the whole thing. Couldn't the state bust said jackass for disturbing the peace if nothing else?

 

[Younigue]

The NRA should use this as an example of what not to do, like don't be the jackass that started the whole thing. Couldn't the state bust said jackass for disturbing the peace if nothing else?

They'll just argue that the wife disturbed the peace first by parking in a handicap parking space.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Except he wasn't "defending" his wife, she was in a locked car and the man was talking/yelling to her about her illegally parking in a handicapped zone. The violent assault by the husband can not be construed as "defending". It was his violent actions that precipitated his death.

It sucks, but keep your violence to yourself.

Tell that to the guy who has apparently been hunting humans at that parking lot.

 

[whm1974]

Tell that to the guy who has apparently been hunting humans at that parking lot.

And hopefully that guy will get what he deserves and gets his ass sued off in a civil court as well. While the husband shoving the guy may not have been the proper responds, I can't say that the shooter didn't deserved it since he was harassing the woman and her kids in the first place.

 

[Jhhnn]

Tell that to the guy who has apparently been hunting humans at that parking lot.

Itching to shoot somebody & get away with it.

 

[Paladin3]

I'm sorry you are so triggered. Again I wasn't talking about all gun owners, I was talking about people that defend starting a fight then claiming self defense. The people that start shit or think it is okay to only because they have a gun.

Let me know when there is a massive movement of bikers getting laws passed that give them the legal right to kill people for diving too close to them.

BTW, you are defending people that are calling a husband defending his family a thug and rabid animal that needs to be put down. If you agree with those comments, I'm glad I offended you.

I am defending absolutely no one. I simply objected when you wrote "You gun pussy are so weak, you need a gun to feel strong..." It didn't sound like you were talking about the old man and this particular incident but characterizing gun owners in general.

Call me triggered, racist or try to associate me with people defending this as a good shoot, but none of that is true. If you had said "some gun owners are just pussies who need a gun to feel strong" I wouldn't have said a thing. You've said that's what you meant, and I said thank you for clarifying, but you continue to try to demonize me. You're also directing a bunch of comments at me that have nothing to do with what I said. Why?

 

[Paladin3]

Hush Rim Job, the adults are speaking.

Saw this earlier, on Tampa Bay Times, https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...rgument-over-handicap-parking-space_170174041

"It wasn’t the first time he saw Drejka in a fight with another customer. A couple of months back, Rick Kelly stopped by the store, parking his tanker truck in the same handicap spot.

The details to Thursday’s incident are similar: Drejka walking around the truck checking for decals, then confronting Kelly, 31, about why he parked there. The fight escalated, and Drejka threatened to shoot him, Kelly said.

"It’s a repeat. It happened to me the first time. The second time it’s happening, someone’s life got taken," Kelly said. "He provoked that."



It does seem like the has a George Zimmerman-like need to act like a LEO because he's armed. This kind of person is exactly why this law is wrong IMO.

Threatening to shoot someone is a serious crime. I wish the old idiot had been reported and arrest when he threatened the truck driver. Maybe he would have had his 2A rights revoked by a judge and a family wouldn't be missing a father.

I'm shocked how often someone goes on a shooting spree, and then it turns out they had made previous threats of violence that they were never held accountable for. If someone threatens you with gun violence or brandishes one at you I believe it is your duty to make sure they are arrested and prosecuted. We all need to be alert for idiots with guns, especially those of us who don't want our guns taken away because of their bad actions.

 

[Paladin3]

I'm also wondering why the store didn't have the old man trespassed off their property the first time he threatened to shoot someone. They knew who he was and what he was capable of. You have a responsibility to deal with known threats to your customer's safety or you open yourself up to huge liability. I believe the Circle A Food store will be writing a huge check at some point.

 

[whm1974]

I'm also wondering why the store didn't have the old man trespassed off their property the first time he threatened to shoot someone. They knew who he was and what he was capable of. You have a responsibility to deal with known threats to your customer's safety or you open yourself up to huge liability. I believe the Circle A Food store will be writing a huge check at some point.

Good question. If I was the clerk or manager working there I would have called the police the first time he threaten to shoot someone. Or even for regularly harassing the customers.

 

[Jhhnn]

And now... blame shifting.

 

[Bird222]

I loath the idea of civilians having guns. I've said it already a thousand times on this forum. Most humans aren't trustworthy enough and the only thing that saves the majority of them from doing something stupid is opportunity or situational availability.

Except those special government ones.

 

[Younigue]

Except those special government ones.

At least they're trained and vetted and their actual job is to protect people. It's not perfect but in a society that relies on them it's what we have and I would rather have that than to have armed civilians "policing" convenience store handicap parking spots.

 

[Paladin3]

And now... blame shifting.

If anything I said was incorrect I would appreciate you correcting me. Stating the truth isn't shifting anything.

EDIT: or are you talking about my bringing up that the store is going to face substantial liability for not doing something about the known threat that had already been reported to them at least once? They absolutely are, and that in no way lessens the blame on the old man for pulling the trigger.

 

[Jhhnn]

If anything I said was incorrect I would appreciate you correcting me. Stating the truth isn't shifting anything.

EDIT: or are you talking about my bringing up that the store is going to face substantial liability for not doing something about the known threat that had already been reported to them at least once? They absolutely are, and that in no way lessens the blame on the old man for pulling the trigger.

Please. Your wishing & wondering shift blame away from the shooter & from the State of Florida. #189 is much the same, putting it on the clerk.

The truck driver's account may have only come out after the shooting. We don't know. We also don't know what efforts were made to dissuade the shooter from finding a victim, either.

 

[Noah Abrams]

For the rest of us, I hope this footage becomes widespread in training classes as an example of what not to do. You get rocked, then swarmed with a flurry of additional attacks while on your back? Using your gun might be a good idea. A dick pushes you to the ground but then backs off? That shouldn't lead to deadly force being used. Another lesson here is your initial encounter with a non-violent person shouldn't be a violent assault. There was fail to go around here, really hope people can learn from it.

No we cannot learn from it because our actions are dictated by our unconscious thoughts, which we are unaware of, and want to be unaware of. In this case, both of these men were looking for pain, wanting it. Question is, why?

 

[whm1974]

No we cannot learn from it because our actions are dictated by our unconscious thoughts, which we are unaware of, and want to be unaware of. In this case, both of these men were looking for pain, wanting it. Question is, why?

Dude you are dead wrong about not learning from our actions. We can and do learn from our actions. We just have think about think about them.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Dude you are dead wrong about not learning from our actions. We can and do learn from our actions. We just have think about think about them.

It is fair to say that these two men would have gotten into apparently “needless” confrontations many times before. The quote marks because of what may appear needless isn’t necessarily so. There is that inner need, even craving.

 

[Paladin3]

Please. Your wishing & wondering shift blame away from the shooter & from the State of Florida. #189 is much the same, putting it on the clerk.

The truck driver's account may have only come out after the shooting. We don't know. We also don't know what efforts were made to dissuade the shooter from finding a victim, either.

You only read what you want to read. It doesn't mater what anyone says, you twist it to fit what you want to hear so you can demonize the opposition.

From the second story linked on page 4: "Ali Salous, the owner of the Circle A convenience store, told us Drejka has caused problems at his store before. "This guy -- he did this before," Salous said. "He always hangs out in the parking lot and if he sees someone parking, he just wants to start trouble with people.""

So you can't possibly be arguing that the store owner had no obligation to report a guy repeatedly picking fights and threatening to shoot his customers?

From the same story: "Records show Drejka does not have a criminal history in Florida, although the Sheriff’s Office had prior contact with him in 2012 when a driver accused him of pulling a gun during a road rage incident. Drejka denied he showed the gun, and the accuser declined to press charges. "

If someone pulls a gun on you it is your duty to see charges are pressed and the person is held accountable. People who commit such crimes need to have the 2A rights revoked so it doesn't cost someone there life down the road. Please tell me you agree with that, at least. Or is that blame shifting too?

And I'll remind you that I agree this was a very bad shoot. Nobody running around picking fights and threatening to shoot others needs to own a gun. I feel strongly about this because I want the criminal and irresponsible gun owners to lose their 2A rights, and not see their crimes taken out on all gun owners.

But you fight with me regardless. I think you are so programmed to pick fights and argue with gun owners it doesn't mater what we say. The facts just don't mater to you.

 

[whm1974]

You only read what you want to read. It doesn't mater what anyone says, you twist it to fit what you want to hear so you can demonize the opposition.

From the second story linked on page 4: "Ali Salous, the owner of the Circle A convenience store, told us Drejka has caused problems at his store before. "This guy -- he did this before," Salous said. "He always hangs out in the parking lot and if he sees someone parking, he just wants to start trouble with people.""

So you can't possibly be arguing that the store owner had no obligation to report a guy repeatedly picking fights and threatening to shoot his customers?

From the same story: "Records show Drejka does not have a criminal history in Florida, although the Sheriff’s Office had prior contact with him in 2012 when a driver accused him of pulling a gun during a road rage incident. Drejka denied he showed the gun, and the accuser declined to press charges. "

If someone pulls a gun on you it is your duty to see charges are pressed and the person is held accountable. People who commit such crimes need to have the 2A rights revoked so it doesn't cost someone there life down the road. Please tell me you agree with that, at least. Or is that blame shifting too?

And I'll remind you that I agree this was a very bad shoot. Nobody running around picking fights and threatening to shoot others needs to own a gun. I feel strongly about this because I want the criminal and irresponsible gun owners to lose their 2A rights, and not see their crimes taken out on all gun owners.

But you fight with me regardless. I think you are so programmed to pick fights and argue with gun owners it doesn't mater what we say. The facts just don't mater to you.

It is pretty much common sense not start fights and threatening to harm or kill the other person(s). Unfortunately common sense isn't all the common.

 

[Younigue]

It is pretty much common sense not start fights and threatening to harm or kill the other person(s). Unfortunately common sense isn't all the common.

Especially among TrumPutin cultists.