So how about that football

[Captante]

Zuerlein misses #3 for the day. Nobody cares about their kicker until they have a shitty one.

edit: Lamar is really inaccurate. Seen him throw a few balls in the dirt today.

The place kicker is usually the teams top scorer at least in the NFL.

Kinda important.

 

[Torn Mind]

Elliot definitely lost something. Bit easier to get down. Not as powerful upon contact.

 

[Torn Mind]

Fort looked like he had the INT, but yeah....now a Dallas TD.

 

[Captante]

Lamar is not a big threat to carve up a D. He misses a lot that is going on in the field.

He really has not improved in terms of judgement nearly as much as I had thought he would. Jackson has the physical skills no question and a rifle for an arm but the jury is still out on whether he can win in a "pass-first" offense.

And considering that so far at least a "run-first" QB has never won a Super-bowl (or really won much of anything in the NFL) that COULD be a problem.

 

[BoomerD]

Elliot definitely lost something. Bit easier to get down. Not as powerful upon contact.

I said much the same thing to my wife earlier. Zeke, in his first year was a powerhouse...his second year, he was still impressive, but not as much as the first year...this year, just a slightly better than average running back.

 

[BoomerD]

He really has not improved a lot in terms of judgement nearly as much as I had thought he would. Jackson has the physical skills no question and a rifle for an arm but the jury is still out on whether he can win in a "pass-first" offense.

And considering that so far at least a "run-first" QB has never won a Super-bowl (or really won much of anything in the NFL) that COULD be a problem.

Russell Wilson's Super Bowl ring would like to argue that...

I do kind of agree though...Michael Vick and RGIII are excellent examples of that.

 

[Torn Mind]

He really has not improved a lot in terms of judgement nearly as much as I had thought he would. Jackson has the physical skills no question and a rifle for an arm but the jury is still out on whether he can win in a "pass-first" offense.

And considering that so far at least a "run-first" QB has never won a Super-bowl (or really won much of anything in the NFL) that COULD be a problem.

Generally, run first QBs don't win Superbowls because they run into defenses that can limit the damage of their running. Mobile QBs can absolutely destroy bad Ds or bad coordinators during the regular season.

 

[Torn Mind]

Russell Wilson's Super Bowl ring would like to argue that...

I do kind of agree though...Michael Vick and RGIII are excellent examples of that.

Russell Wilson almost never crosses the line of scrimmage even with his athleticism. He's mobile but not really a "runner".

He's much more like Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Captante]

Russell Wilson's Super Bowl ring would like to argue that...

I do kind of agree though...Michael Vick and RGIII are excellent examples of that.

I don't count Russell Wilson as a "run-first" QB. He certainly does have tremendous ability to run but its not usually his first move.

He's more of a "do anything I decide to do and you can't stop me" QB most of the time! The man has a LOT of weapons skill-wise.

Best example of a successful "RF-QB" I can think of would be Randall Cunningham and even he didn't get a ring.

 

[BoomerD]

Russell Wilson almost never crosses the line of scrimmage even with his athleticism. He's mobile but not really a "runner".

He's much more like Aaron Rodgers.

Yet, most years, he's usually the team's leading rusher..or close behind. Hell, he has the 6th most rushing yards for the team since its inception.

Seattle Seahawks career rushing leaders 2024 | Statista

The Seattle Seahawks player with the most rushing yards in franchise history is Shaun Alexander with 9,429 yards.

www.statista.com

 

[Captante]

Yet, most years, he's usually the team's leading rusher..or close behind. Hell, he has the 6th most rushing yards for the team since its inception.

Seattle Seahawks career rushing leaders 2024 | Statista

The Seattle Seahawks player with the most rushing yards in franchise history is Shaun Alexander with 9,429 yards.

www.statista.com

I'm aware of that ... however Russell Wilson is a terrific passer and a great game manager too with some of the best judgement in football.

This to me at least makes him very different from a "run-first" QB like Vick... or Jackson.


EDIT: Jim Zorn @ 1491 yards ... wow.

 

[BoomerD]

I heard that during the broadcast. Not sure what that's about, but WHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Dez tested positive for the WuFlu...

 

[BoomerD]

I'm aware of that ... however Russell Wilson is a terrific passer and a great game manager too which (to me at least) makes him very different from a "run-first" QB like Vick.

well...I don't disagree...Wilson has been damned good...and his "sky balls" have done wonders for his long game.

 

[Torn Mind]

Yet, most years, he's usually the team's leading rusher..or close behind. Hell, he has the 6th most rushing yards for the team since its inception.

Seattle Seahawks career rushing leaders 2024 | Statista

The Seattle Seahawks player with the most rushing yards in franchise history is Shaun Alexander with 9,429 yards.

www.statista.com

Seattle backs have a knack for being injured for many games during a season. Wilson obviously will scramble if his receiving options are taken.

But there is no special scheme to get Wilson to run, no revolutionary media press coverage like Lamar had last season that he had done something that could "change the game". .

 

[Torn Mind]

 

[zinfamous]

He really has not improved a lot in terms of judgement nearly as much as I had thought he would. Jackson has the physical skills no question and a rifle for an arm but the jury is still out on whether he can win in a "pass-first" offense.

And considering that so far at least a "run-first" QB has never won a Super-bowl (or really won much of anything in the NFL) that COULD be a problem.

agreed. In college, he just looked like an athlete that could easily out-athlete everyone on the field. That's all I thought of him. His first two years in the league definitely surprised me, but I think he's now stabilized at his norm. I hope he doesn't fall into Kaepernick territory--great tools, but zero brains--but it might be heading that way.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't count Russell Wilson as a "run-first" QB. He certainly does have tremendous ability to run but its not usually his first move.

He's more of a "do anything I decide to do and you can't stop me" QB most of the time! The man has a LOT of weapons skill-wise.

Best example of a successful "RF-QB" I can think of would be Randall Cunningham and even he didn't get a ring.

yes, he ran a lot more in college (again: best athlete on the field, every day), and I think only early in Seattle, when their O-Line was absolute shit (sounds familiar...). But that was a while ago. He's definitely settled back more into scrambling/mobile QB territory where is primary goal is to extend plays if he needs to, and wait for the defense to make a mistake.

His recent turn in ~3 years to throwing the deep ball very regularly shows how much he has reducing his running. He almost never did that early on.

 

[Torn Mind]

agreed. In college, he just looked like an athlete that could easily out-athlete everyone on the field. That's all I thought of him. His first two years in the league definitely surprised me, but I think he's now stabilized at his norm. I hope he doesn't fall into Kaepernick territory--great tools, but zero brains--but it might be heading that way.

Teams really wanted to test him against the blitz and man coverage, and that's usually ended up with Lamar on top.

But if teams play zone and try to keep him in front of them, they can contain Lamar....assuming that have enough talent to play that strategy. Bad teams do not, so the Ravens can always steamroll a few teams with their current running strategy even without further progression from Lamar.

Lamar is a better passer than Kaepernick. Marksmanship-wise, he's damn good. But he falls into relying on his crutches than taking a chance on explosive plays to his WRs. That's going to his TEs and running for a first.

Josh Allen has surpassed Lamar easy now.

 

[Torn Mind]

Jim Rome is my AM radio idol. Cowboys buuurn.

 

[Svnla]

What the heck was that play of 4th and goal (with not one, not two, but several yards to go) from the Pats? That's horrible (call and execution).

 

[Torn Mind]

What the heck was that play of 4th and goal (with not one, not two, but several yards to go) from the Pats? That's horrible (call and execution).

They got busted against Seattle and still haven't learned.

Don't know who should get the most blame, but Belichick deserves some for going for it in the first place, McDaniels for not even trying to pass, and Cam for hogging it instead of letting White try to make it.

 

[Torn Mind]

Rams just gut-punching the Pats.

Also, the Rams receivers just have names that lead you to underrate them.

 

[brianmanahan]

from 45-0 to 3-24

now i wanna see the rams play the chargers

 

[Torn Mind]

from 45-0 to 3-24

now i wanna see the rams play the chargers

If I want to see the recipe for making Herbert a sandwich...all night long.....

 

[KMFJD]

Elliot definitely lost something. Bit easier to get down. Not as powerful upon contact.

He doesn't have an all pro offensive line any more either, most are hurt or gone/retired