So how are you liking Win10 so far?

BD2003

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So far I feel like it's a lot less foreign than Windows 8 was, but man, the metro stuff still needs a lot of work.

Before, we had the dichotomy between the metro UI and the desktop, and it just didnt work. Now it's been replaced by icons vs tiles, and metro apps vs windows apps.

The tiles still don't feel like they belong on the desktop. For instance, I drag a tile out to the desktop, and it creates an icon...which is a shortcut to that app. I drag it back, and it creates a tile that points to the shortcut. That's absurd. What should happen is when I drag the tile to the desktop, I get the tile on my desktop. If I drag a tile to the taskbar, it creates an icon....instead, IMO I should have the small version of the tile in my taskbar.

And as far as the metro apps themselves go...yeah, it's a lot better now that you can resize them. But they still don't feel right. The predominant form of navigation is horizontal scrolling, but I'm using a mousewheel that only scrolls up and down. Sometimes scrolling down scrolls it right, sometimes it doesnt.

So overall, I'm not finding much to be excited about yet. Win 8 felt like you were being coerced into using metro, no matter how poorly it fit with a desktop. It was a total turn off. Now, it feels more like it's being merely suggested that you try it. And when you do, you still won't want to use it. So it still begs the question as to why you'd want to use it over Win 7, if it's primary reason to exist is to make it feel more like Win 7. It's easier just to stay with Win 7.

I still have hope that they can get this right, because it's long overdue that windows gets a proper app store and moves into the 21st century.
 

GrumpyMan

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I would imagine that a company like Stardock will make some apps to make Windows 10 feel and look more like Windows 7. So I have to ask myself, why switch when I already have what I want?
 

kmmatney

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Out-of-the-box, Windows 10 is WAY better than Windows 8. It's pretty much how my Windows 8.1 machine looks after getting rid of all the Metro crap. This is how Windows 8 should have started out - way more desktop friendly.

I agree the Metro Apps still need work, but it's so much nicer having them in a windows and not jarring full screen. The scrolling left-right in the News app is just crap for a desktop app. I don't know that I'll ever get used to tiles.

If you've already removed metro from Windows 8 (as much as possible), and installed a replacement start menu, then there isn't much difference at all when using Windows 10.

it's still hard to recommend over Windows 7. I'm using Windows 8.1 for my work laptop, and 95% of the time it's fine, but I do run into odd issues such that I have to run a Windows XP virtual machine to get some of my work done. I never had to do this with Windows 7 before I "upgraded". I would tell people to get Windows 7 over Windows 8, just to avoid all the Metro crap, but at least with Windows 10 it
s much less in your face.
 

BD2003

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Out-of-the-box, Windows 10 is WAY better than Windows 8. It's pretty much how my Windows 8.1 machine looks after getting rid of all the Metro crap. This is how Windows 8 should have started out - way more desktop friendly.

I agree the Metro Apps still need work, but it's so much nicer having them in a windows and not jarring full screen. The scrolling left-right in the News app is just crap for a desktop app. I don't know that I'll ever get used to tiles.

If you've already removed metro from Windows 8 (as much as possible), and installed a replacement start menu, then there isn't much difference at all when using Windows 10.

it's still hard to recommend over Windows 7. I'm using Windows 8.1 for my work laptop, and 95% of the time it's fine, but I do run into odd issues such that I have to run a Windows XP virtual machine to get some of my work done. I never had to do this with Windows 7 before I "upgraded". I would tell people to get Windows 7 over Windows 8, just to avoid all the Metro crap, but at least with Windows 10 it
s much less in your face.

Yeah, as it is, it's probably good enough that most people will accept it over 7 with a new laptop. I just dunno if it's good enough to capture the enthusiast and business market yet.
 

kmmatney

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The new multi-desktop/multi-tasking feature is of neat. I have fresh installs of Windows 7 and Windows 10 on a test computer (both on SSDs) and I have to say Windows 10 feels a little bit quicker. I doubt it actually runs any faster, but the user-experience impression is that it runs snappier. So far the only issue I have is that I can't get a real driver (OpenGL) to install for my old HD4850 video card so things like Minecraft won't run.
 

kasakka

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Tried it in a VM last night. It seems work-in-progress for now. There is still no unified settings (PC settings and control panel still exist side by side) and lots of Win7 legacy icons around. Many system apps still hark back to WinXP days (even worse now that they are easily available by right clicking the Start button).

Virtual desktops is a torso at best. No drag and drop to arrange apps to different desktops? What is this crap?

The way many apps want to open in fullscreen (on my friggin 2560x1440 display!) is annoying, hopefully they get rid of that.

I like the new Start menu even if it's not a very inventive one. It seems to still have the ability to pin apps both to the old style start menu as well as using tiles. I hope they make that tiles-only and apps actually get update to make use of the live tiles feature.

Overall I'd say this has a good chance of becoming the next "Windows 7", something that people will use for a good amount of time. Hopefully they'll also keep giving us free 10.1 etc updates like they did with Win8.
 

Eric1987

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I would imagine that a company like Stardock will make some apps to make Windows 10 feel and look more like Windows 7. So I have to ask myself, why switch when I already have what I want?

Sorry but no. Back on topic though I LOVE windows 10 best release yet!
 

hoorah

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Yeah, as it is, it's probably good enough that most people will accept it over 7 with a new laptop. I just dunno if it's good enough to capture the enthusiast and business market yet.

I think microsoft knew nobody in the business world was going to look at 8 even if it was fantastic. Businesses hung onto XP for way too long because the upgrade cost (measured in labor hours) was too high, were still running old software, etc. Even my company didn't change over to 7 until it was within weeks of the no-support deadline. With that kind of mentality, looking at an XP (or more) lifecycle of Win7 for business, I think they knew they had some room to play with some consumer ideas before anyone in business was even looking at them.
 

hoorah

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The new multi-desktop/multi-tasking feature is of neat. I have fresh installs of Windows 7 and Windows 10 on a test computer (both on SSDs) and I have to say Windows 10 feels a little bit quicker. I doubt it actually runs any faster, but the user-experience impression is that it runs snappier. So far the only issue I have is that I can't get a real driver (OpenGL) to install for my old HD4850 video card so things like Minecraft won't run.

I installed it on an old optiplex 760 (onboard video) but was going to install it on an old gaming rig for the kids to play with that has a Q6600 and a 4850.

You're saying you can't get a good driver that does openGL for the 4850? Which one works the best for regular old directx?
 

Insert_Nickname

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Having tried Win10 in a VM, I must say a work-in-progress sign is needed. As for features, well I'm kind of ambivalent. Not much to see compared to 8.1, aside from resizeable Metro tiles and being able to run them in windows. Horizontal scrolling still sucks on a desktop.

From 7, I can see its more of an upgrade.

You're saying you can't get a good driver that does openGL for the 4850? Which one works the best for regular old directx?

For the HD4000-series, all you're going to get is the MS supplied AMD driver. AMD has dropped support for their DX10 cards in 8 and newer.
 

ArisVer

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Any reason why I get this error trying to install it on a VM? Windows 8.1 installed fine.



The error seems to be associated with the NX-bit and Virtualization, which are enabled in the BIOS.


Edit. I am installing now, 17min at 93%. With Oracles VirtualBox you have to choose "Windows 8.1" for installation.
 
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sweenish

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I got it chugging in a VM, but the host hardware isn't so robust. It's pretty slow, and without the virtualbox guest additions, it's just a pain at the moment.

It looks pretty, at least.

I'll hold onto the VM and see if the guest additions get updated to support these technical previews or not. If not, I'm just out some HDD space I wasn't using anyway.
 

ArisVer

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It's like, after Win8, Windows with windowed tiles. I'm sure it will be better than earlier versions, but I will try to keep my Seven until 2020. Runs smooth and I like it.
 

Chiefcrowe

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First impressions - good ! love the multiple desktops, I hope they develop that further.

New Start menu is pretty cool. I messed with it a little bit and it looks pretty customizable also, and you can take out all the live tiles if you want to.

Of course the command prompt improvements are great.

Edit - just saw my first crash, which wasn't surprising really. An explorer.exe crash related to search.
 
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