So how are you liking Win10 so far?

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finbarqs

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Maybe it's your system? I know that might be hard to believe but on 4 systems I've upgraded, The edge browser works fine. It's not as nice as other browsers but it sure doesn't hang like you say.

It's so easy to blame the OS for something on your system that might not be playing nice. Now I'm not saying that's the case for sure, but my experience across more than one system has been the exact opposite.

I can blame the OS because Windows 7 ran perfectly fine. I didn't change 1 single piece of hardware. The only thing that was changed was the OS.
 

postmortemIA

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In my case GWX.exe app ( "get windows x"?) won't download whole installer. It fails every time, not because my connection is bad. It just downloads 3.7GB of data and then it stops. And then windows update tries again.. And again.

This might be the best windows yet, but it is also on top when it comes to launch day bugs.
 

squirrel dog

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yeah . I looked at 10 one one of my rigs . Rolled it back to 7x64 . I am used to 7 and will ride that horse for awhile longer. 10 reminded me of office 2013 , I didn't like that either .
 

Puffnstuff

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If you install classic shell with 8 or 10 it will look and behave very similar to 7 only with better underpinnings.
 

ShintaiDK

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I like the engine so to say.

But the GUI, functions etc still feels like a huge downgrade. Just made dumber.

Settings and control panel split is also mindbogling how anyone ever let that pass.

I feel like I am forced to use Windows 10 due to DX12. Without DX12, I am sure Windows 10 would be an OS I would skip.
 

flexy

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Microsoft, ever since about AFTER Windows 7 wants to make us believe that any new Windows is *adding* features.

Ironically I see features *removed* or dumbed down, or simply made awful.

Here just some examples out of my head...I cannot adjust colors for the desktop freely anymore, instead there is now a bunch of pre-given patterns.

Aero Glas is GONE. Why? Ever since 7 I need 3rd party hacks to get a nicely looking desktop and taskbar. Default Windows in Win10 look AWFUL. Need to wait for the final version of Aero Glass 3rd party tool which I otherwise use. But the question remains: Why take something AWAY?

New calc and clock look awful.

I cannot change system fonts without 3d party "hack tools".

Wouldn't common sense say that an utility/option to change system fonts should be something MANDATORY? I need a fricking 3rd party tool to change my system fonts to Arial. WHY?

It's obvious even after the Win8.0 disaster and MS losing millions, they STILL want to push a "mobile" interface to every user, including desktop users. WHY? They updated Win8.1, which STILL has those ugly elements in it...and now 10....STILL. As I mentioned earlier, from an ergonomics and intuition perspective this is extremely poor if you throw a desktop user constantly into TWO different GUIs/designs. It's not "homogenous", it's not only buttugly but also entirely pointless.

It's also testament for all this nonsense when I get some help text that I should "tap" or "swipe". STILL didn't learn a thing.

And with Win10 I have the impression that MS even more tries to push "mobile" elements to all users, far more actually as was the case with Win8.1. BUT WHY?

I find myself longing the Win7 days, I seriously do. Win7 was a good OS and still it conveys the notion of being "solid", with 8 and 10, while certainly having some "internal" improvements, the overall impression is it's just not needed, ugly, bloated etc....like a Windows 7 which was "modded" by some hackers to make it work better with mobile devices - but overall a mod which was done poorly and most people would not use. (Know those hacker groups who release "special" Windows versions on torrent sites?). This is exactly the impression I am getting.
 
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TeknoBug

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If you install classic shell with 8 or 10 it will look and behave very similar to 7 only with better underpinnings.
I've been using Start8 with Win 8, but I wonder if there's a way to get rid of all the tiles in Win 10 start menu without using Start8 or some other third party program. Perhaps MS will cave in and add that feature for us, they did after all cave in and added the ability to disable driver updates in WU after globally announcing that it won't be possible.
 

Makaveli

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Feb 8, 2002
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I've been using Start8 with Win 8, but I wonder if there's a way to get rid of all the tiles in Win 10 start menu without using Start8 or some other third party program. Perhaps MS will cave in and add that feature for us, they did after all cave in and added the ability to disable driver updates in WU after globally announcing that it won't be possible.

Can you just right click on the tiles and unpin from start?

Also they didn't really cave in unless my info is outdated.

You can set it to defer upgrades but security updates and anything MS deems important will still automatically install.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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I can blame the OS because Windows 7 ran perfectly fine. I didn't change 1 single piece of hardware. The only thing that was changed was the OS.

Doesn't matter, you're going from 7 to 10 and not from 8 which is an easier change from a driver perspective. It's your system. Almost every single complaint is from someone trying to transition from 7. The OS works, I'm using it on 4 PCs currently and there's probably many thousands of members here running it fine.

Can you just right click on the tiles and unpin from start?

Also they didn't really cave in unless my info is outdated.

You can set it to defer upgrades but security updates and anything MS deems important will still automatically install.

Yes you can unpin anything you want from the start menu.

Honestly the people saying "I'm sticking with windows 7" remind me of all the complainers who cried about wanting to use XP forever. There will be a time when you'll have no choice. Get used to it Windows 7 is in the past.
 
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Makaveli

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Doesn't matter, you're going from 7 to 10 and not from 8 which is an easier change from a driver perspective. It's your system. Almost every single complaint is from someone trying to transition from 7. The OS works, I'm using it on 4 PCs currently and there's probably many thousands of members here running it fine.

I went from 7 to 10 and it was painless minus having to just installed beta drivers for my X-fi sound card. So i'm in the other camp!
 

KentState

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Took a little bit of fussing and a fresh install of Windows 7, but was finally able to get the upgrade. Funny that old old MSDN keys are able to be upgraded to 10. Guess MS sees them all as retail keys as part of this process.

Overall, doesn't feel extremely different than 8.1 expect the start menu and changes to settings. Haven't had much issues with drivers either. Will wait a little bit longer to upgrade my desktop as I use it for work/games/VM's.
 

cmdrdredd

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I went from 7 to 10 and it was painless minus having to just installed beta drivers for my X-fi sound card. So i'm in the other camp!

Which only reinforces my point that it's not the OS, it's the system the OS is being installed on top of. Every OS has issues for some, even Macs have issues with OSX updates at times and that's as closed an ecosystem as you get on a desktop. My father will only run Macs and I've had to help out more than once when a device doesn't work in the newest update he installs. At least windows doesn't tell you that you can't have the latest version of the OS because your system was manufactured before a certain date.
 
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cmdrdredd

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Microsoft, ever since about AFTER Windows 7 wants to make us believe that any new Windows is *adding* features.

Ironically I see features *removed* or dumbed down, or simply made awful.

Here just some examples out of my head...I cannot adjust colors for the desktop freely anymore, instead there is now a bunch of pre-given patterns.

Aero Glas is GONE. Why? Ever since 7 I need 3rd party hacks to get a nicely looking desktop and taskbar. Default Windows in Win10 look AWFUL. Need to wait for the final version of Aero Glass 3rd party tool which I otherwise use. But the question remains: Why take something AWAY?

New calc and clock look awful.

I cannot change system fonts without 3d party "hack tools".

Wouldn't common sense say that an utility/option to change system fonts should be something MANDATORY? I need a fricking 3rd party tool to change my system fonts to Arial. WHY?

It's obvious even after the Win8.0 disaster and MS losing millions, they STILL want to push a "mobile" interface to every user, including desktop users. WHY? They updated Win8.1, which STILL has those ugly elements in it...and now 10....STILL. As I mentioned earlier, from an ergonomics and intuition perspective this is extremely poor if you throw a desktop user constantly into TWO different GUIs/designs. It's not "homogenous", it's not only buttugly but also entirely pointless.

It's also testament for all this nonsense when I get some help text that I should "tap" or "swipe". STILL didn't learn a thing.

And with Win10 I have the impression that MS even more tries to push "mobile" elements to all users, far more actually as was the case with Win8.1. BUT WHY?

I find myself longing the Win7 days, I seriously do. Win7 was a good OS and still it conveys the notion of being "solid", with 8 and 10, while certainly having some "internal" improvements, the overall impression is it's just not needed, ugly, bloated etc....like a Windows 7 which was "modded" by some hackers to make it work better with mobile devices - but overall a mod which was done poorly and most people would not use. (Know those hacker groups who release "special" Windows versions on torrent sites?). This is exactly the impression I am getting.

You can't honestly believe that nonsense. Pushing mobile interface on desktop users? No...I never used the touch interface in 8 and I haven't used it in 10. No reason to outside the settings panel for a couple things. The whole reason this is a thing is they want all Windows and Xbox devices to sync together. That way on every windows device you use, your contacts, email, schedule and calendar are carried over. It makes sense. Having said that there's no mobile interface forced on your desktop. Optional for touchscreen computers yes, forced no.

Also I found 8 and 10 currently seriously trimmed down from 7 which is part of why they run smoother. Here's a comparison of WIndows 7 and Windows 8 memory usage. You can see 8 was slimmed down significantly by default. http://www.askvg.com/comparison-between-windows-7-and-windows-8-memory-management-system/
 

Ketchup

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Honestly the people saying "I'm sticking with windows 7" remind me of all the complainers who cried about wanting to use XP forever. There will be a time when you'll have no choice. Get used to it Windows 7 is in the past.

In all fairness, 7 is covered until 2020. That is an entire computer life cycle for some people (and probably most people around here). I have been using 10 on a vm since the preview started (and have it installed on our laptop when the upgrade became available) and I still don't see anything about it I like better than 7.
 

Grimmw0r

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Technically it seems OK (but so did 8.1). As much as I desperately want to be able to say "oh wow, the UI is SO much better, they listened to us!", I can't. It's really not, and they didn't. The UI still sucks. It's awful. I hate it. It's UGLY. I use windows on a computer, not a tablet or phone. I use a keyboard and a mouse and I don't want to touch my damn screen! On tablets and phones, I like Android. I am not interested in Windows Apps, and the whole right side of the new Start menu is just one big advertisement for Windows (mobile) Apps, which are, quite honestly, a joke. After 1 day, I installed Start10.

I can honestly say that I WANT to see MS develop a homogenous OS environment between PC, tablet and phone. I WANT to see them succeed. But the use cases between those 3 platforms is different and they are not representing that in their one-size-fits all OS.

FAIL.

And one last thing...if it wasn't free, I would not have upgraded.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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In all fairness, 7 is covered until 2020. That is an entire computer life cycle for some people (and probably most people around here). I have been using 10 on a vm since the preview started (and have it installed on our laptop when the upgrade became available) and I still don't see anything about it I like better than 7.

It uses less memory, is more secure, and is simply faster during use for me. You can say 7 is covered until 2020 but what I'm saying is you have to get used to 10 because you'll have no choice at some point. I was happy to be rid of 7 when I moved up to 8. I no longer get crashes and BSODs.

Technically it seems OK (but so did 8.1). As much as I desperately want to be able to say "oh wow, the UI is SO much better, they listened to us!", I can't. It's really not, and they didn't. The UI still sucks. It's awful. I hate it. It's UGLY. I use windows on a computer, not a tablet or phone. I use a keyboard and a mouse and I don't want to touch my damn screen! On tablets and phones, I like Android. I am not interested in Windows Apps, and the whole right side of the new Start menu is just one big advertisement for Windows (mobile) Apps, which are, quite honestly, a joke. After 1 day, I installed Start10.

I can honestly say that I WANT to see MS develop a homogenous OS environment between PC, tablet and phone. I WANT to see them succeed. But the use cases between those 3 platforms is different and they are not representing that in their one-size-fits all OS.

FAIL.

And one last thing...if it wasn't free, I would not have upgraded.

You know you can remove all the tiles? You can also move them and resize them. There are no ads there for me. Whatever you don't want to see there, unpin it. It is made to be customized for you. This is what I see when I click start
 
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Mem

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In all fairness, 7 is covered until 2020. That is an entire computer life cycle for some people (and probably most people around here). I have been using 10 on a vm since the preview started (and have it installed on our laptop when the upgrade became available) and I still don't see anything about it I like better than 7.


I've to scratch my head a few times and say WTF is special about Win7?... Ex Win7 user myself since day 1 of its release and think there is nothing special about it,stable yes like many Windows Operating Systems and Linux distros I could name.

I've used every Windows since Win3.1 and DOS 6.22,Win10 is superior in many ways to Win7, for a start designed to handle multiple hardware better then Win7, improved security,also just like Win8 comes with built-in AV,reset and refresh options,DX12 a whole list of other features if you bother to have a look.

Btw how much did you pay for Win7 OS ?..Yes hell of a lot more then 10 which as you know is free at the moment.

Ironically seeing the same old arguments here.

Btw if you stated Win7 does not have many features or major improvements over Vista SP2 then I would probably agree with you.
 
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Instan00dles

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Anyone having issues with the auto hiding of the task bar? My computer is hooked up to a 60" plasma so the task bar cant stay up without it being burnt in. Sometimes it will not auto hide and I have to click on everything in the task bar trying to find whats keeping it up. Other problem I am having is the task bar will stay hidden and I have to restart to bring it back up. The computer is hooked up to a hdmi switching amp then to the tv, when I turn the tv off and then on again it the task bar stays down.

This is really annoying, is there a way to go back to windows 8 if I cant get this working properly?
 

Puffnstuff

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I am one of those people who refused to upgrade from 7 ult to 8 until I learned about classic shell. Once I saw that I could have the improvements along with my old interface I was onboard with everything I have. Right now my tablet and laptop are running 10 with the tablet on 32 bit 10 home and the laptop on 64 bit 10 pro. I'm waiting for the opportunity to clean install 10 pro 64 bit on my desktop. I need to take this weeks test for my business law class and then I can think about installing my new Samsung 850 pro and doing it. I figure that it will only take me a few hours to reinstall everything and I need a clean install of office anyway. If anything goes wrong I'll just reinstall my intel 520 with 8.1 intact and just pick up where I left off with no harm done.
 

waggy

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OK i been having isssues with the driver for nivida. it would come up with errors..

I got to the point i was going to rollback windows 7. I bitched to a buddy of mine who said he had the same thing. he uninstalled something called virtu MVP.

So i did. and now it works.

I just hope it's not something really needed...
 

Grimmw0r

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You know you can remove all the tiles? You can also move them and resize them. There are no ads there for me. Whatever you don't want to see there, unpin it. It is made to be customized for you. This is what I see when I click start

Thank you for the alternate perspective and suggestion cmdrdredd, I will spend some more time experimenting with it.
 

chimaxi83

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Zero issues for me so far, but I did the "smart" thing and clean installed. Sorry but installing a new driver on top of an old driver is one thing. Installing an entire operating system on top of another and expecting zero issues is pretty foolish.

Actually wait, when I boot up, I see a black screen for about 20 seconds before it let's me sign in. Only issue so far.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Not upgrading until all the other software catches up (ACDSee, UltraMon, ffdshow, VirtualBox, etc.), which will probably take 6 months to a year.

Will enjoy the nicer UI of Win7 until then.
 

finbarqs

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I went from XP -> Vista 32 ->Vista 64 -> 7 64 -> 10 on 2 of my 3 devices.

Desktop at work (which crashes), then my SP3. SP3 works fine I believe, but my 7 desktop is a disaster.. I probably need to do a clean install of it. But one thing I really liked doing is customizing my programs menu "Games, Productivity Software, Audio Apps, etc." This is just one giant list in Alphabetical order, and I can't create sub folders. I understand it's a new way, and it's fine on my SP3. But on my desktop, I would have to click on the search bar and then start typing in what I'm looking for, then back on the mouse. Just one more step I guess...
 
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