So how are you liking Win10 so far?

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RampantAndroid

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Same here.Beta my s.this is another Big Fail from MS. I thing i will go back to the comodore 64

And I get yelled at for saying that the iOS developer preview was AWFUL - and in that case I could barely even use the phone. There were times where a 911 call would have failed...and here Win10 preview (preview! Not beta!) is and is actually pretty functional and people go bananas. OK...
 

Ketchup

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Same Crap

Bingo. All Microsoft did is change the start menu and call it 10. I have a free app that will do the same thing. I still don't like the gui, I don't like that I have to jump through hoops to not connect to an account when I just want to sign onto my computer, and I don't see anything impressive enough to make me actually want it (such as the jump from XP and Vista to 7.)

RampantAndroid, you are missing the point. If I may, Denis280 is referring to points similar to what I mentioned above, not that applications do not all work on a beta OS, which is expected.
 

C1

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They've apparently completely abandoned support for floppy drive even though the files are in the windows folders. Not a big deal at all.

C1: Therefore is letter "A" now the OS default (vice "C")?

Underclocked: No, It is still "C".


If MS has indeed abandoned floppy, then drive letters "A" & "B" (which traditionally have been reserved) should be made available for assignment.

Can someone verify MS implementation in this area (ie, drive letter availability/reallocation).
 

Ketchup

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I have had a hard drive assigned A: in Windows 7. I would be surprised if the OS is ever not C:.
 

JasonBourne

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The Enterprise version includes WindowsToGo -- which SHOULD allow install to an external drive much the same as did Windows 8.
But the standard Tech Preview does not support installing to an external drive.

Is this true?? Sorry for going slightly offtopic. :\
 

abcodi123

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When i first read this post i was surprised! i never knew there was a windows 10! i need to try this out, Thanks for the post BD2003!
 

zokudu

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If MS has indeed abandoned floppy, then drive letters "A" & "B" (which traditionally have been reserved) should be made available for assignment.

Can someone verify MS implementation in this area (ie, drive letter availability/reallocation).

It's allowing me to map a network drive to A: and B: dunno if that answers your question or not.

I've also swapped from the start menu back to the start screen. It's just so much more useful and comfortable to me than the menu is.
 

hoorah

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So I actually got pretty lucky and found a discarded HP DV7 laptop, even better since I was in need of a decent laptop anyway. No memory or hard drive in it but I have plenty of that stuff so stuck it in and off to the races. It originally came with windows vista so instead of wasting a 7 license on it just yet decided to put the 10 preview on.

It installed well but once I plugged in the ethernet connection it slowed to an absolute crawl. Each time I tried clicking on something it would take 30 seconds to a minute to register. Very, very painful process to get it to go through windows update to get the graphics driver and switch over to a microsoft account. Once all the updates were done and the system restarted it was faster, but not perfect. Third reboot and things seem to be working properly now - very slick, snappy interface.

So far, I'm very much liking it. Its more or less 8 (or 7 I guess) with a fixed start menu. I think the UI is a little more polished than previous, maybe its just a placebo though. I really dig the elegant but minimal theme. Havent played with multiple desktops yet.

My personal opinion is that windows 10 (preview) IS just 8 with a start menu to tell the community "All right, you win, we're putting the start menu back".
 

Skaendo

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So I actually got pretty lucky and found a discarded HP DV7 laptop, even better since I was in need of a decent laptop anyway. No memory or hard drive in it but I have plenty of that stuff so stuck it in and off to the races. It originally came with windows vista so instead of wasting a 7 license on it just yet decided to put the 10 preview on. It installed well but once I plugged in the ethernet connection it slowed to an absolute crawl. Each time I tried clicking on something it would take 30 seconds to a minute to register. Very, very painful process to get it to go through windows update to get the graphics driver and switch over to a microsoft account. Once all the updates were done and the system restarted it was faster, but not perfect. Third reboot and things seem to be working properly now - very slick, snappy interface.

I have seemed to always have issues when I install on HP products. I don't understand it myself. My most recent issue was with Win8 on a HP laptop, made the laptop run hot, fan was on high all the time and a lot of compatibility issues.

To be fair Win8 made my Dell laptop fan to completely stop. I had actually confirmed this with other laptops and a reinstall of Win7 had corrected it.

*I think the HP laptop I had issues with Win8 was actually a DV7.
 
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mikeymikec

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It seems like a waste of time to change defaulting from C: to A:. It seems to me that the only point of doing this is to attempt to break programs built with dodgy programming practices, which isn't really a direct benefit to the end user ("great, my discontinued app from a now non-existent developer won't work on Windows Whatever"), as programmers who engage in dodgy coding practices will find a hundred other ways to do their job badly.

If MS are going to bother changing anything, either change to a UNIX style method of referring to available storage, or something else entirely like AmigaOS where a storage device is referred to by volume labels (the default in AmigaOS has been to refer to the system partition as "Workbench:" and the data partition as "Work:", or by drive codes like "DH0:" if that turns you on). That would have the benefit of dispensing with the limited number of drive letters to the end user, but then, how many users have this problem?

However, considering that one of Windows's advantages for a long time has been backwards compatibility, I'd say leave the default OS installation drive letter as it is.
 
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hoorah

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It seems like a waste of time to change defaulting from C: to A:. It seems to me that the only point of doing this is to attempt to break programs built with dodgy programming practices, which isn't really a direct benefit to the end user ("great, my discontinued app from a now non-existent developer won't work on Windows Whatever"), as programmers who engage in dodgy coding practices will find a hundred other ways to do their job badly.

I didn't even notice the change until you mentioned it. I agree, I think that is an attempt to force out old, busted apps.

I kind of see microsofts side of it. Companies clung to XP for so long because many had programs that wouldn't work on 7 and the companies didn't want to spend the money to re-write new code, which isn't a place microsoft wants to be in. I can't say if measures like these will force the corporate world to keep with the times or if it will just break things thats were working fine before. Who knows - maybe it will make people cling to the old stuff that much more.

Perhaps its just a general mindset that if they want to compete with Apple, they need to shake off all of this legacy crap that gives the OS a bad name to begin with, and this one of the ways of doing so. I think the windows WHQL driver library and the signature PC line went a long way to cleaning up the image of Windows being a crappy, error-prone, blue-screening OS, which largely wasn't even their fault.
 

hoorah

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I have seemed to always have issues when I install on HP products. I don't understand it myself. My most recent issue was with Win8 on a HP laptop, made the laptop run hot, fan was on high all the time and a lot of compatibility issues.

To be fair Win8 made my Dell laptop fan to completely stop. I had actually confirmed this with other laptops and a reinstall of Win7 had corrected it.

*I think the HP laptop I had issues with Win8 was actually a DV7.

I've had a lot of driver issues with HP stuff, where only the driver on the HP site seems to work well and the driver from the original hardware vendor can cause problems, specifically on HP video cards/onboard video and motherboard drivers. Who knows?

Now that everything has been updated the system has actually been running pretty nice. Kinda surprised someone threw this away, although more than likely was riddled with viruses. The battery even holds a decent charge, not great, but then again it is a 17" laptop.
 

RampantAndroid

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RampantAndroid, you are missing the point. If I may, Denis280 is referring to points similar to what I mentioned above, not that applications do not all work on a beta OS, which is expected.

And the point I made is that you're using an OS that is in development. It's a preview build, not a beta. That means that you're seeing something in progress, not a version that is close to release. Who is to say more features aren't coming? Or that if enough people send feedback in that some items could change?
 

Skaendo

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I've had a lot of driver issues with HP stuff, where only the driver on the HP site seems to work well and the driver from the original hardware vendor can cause problems, specifically on HP video cards/onboard video and motherboard drivers. Who knows?

Now that everything has been updated the system has actually been running pretty nice. Kinda surprised someone threw this away, although more than likely was riddled with viruses. The battery even holds a decent charge, not great, but then again it is a 17" laptop.

At the time I tried Win8 on that HP, about a year ago, the HP website even said that they didn't support Win8 (at that time). I had heard that HP & MS has business related issues, and that's what I chalked it up to and reverted to Win7. The laptop did originally come with Vista, and I really think that it was a DV7.

Just a heads up, I guess, in case you would for whatever reason try installing Win8 on it.

Good to hear that Win10TP runs good on it. Did you have to d/l HP drivers for it?
 

hoorah

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At the time I tried Win8 on that HP, about a year ago, the HP website even said that they didn't support Win8 (at that time). I had heard that HP & MS has business related issues, and that's what I chalked it up to and reverted to Win7. The laptop did originally come with Vista, and I really think that it was a DV7.

Just a heads up, I guess, in case you would for whatever reason try installing Win8 on it.

Good to hear that Win10TP runs good on it. Did you have to d/l HP drivers for it?

No, I don't think so. When I first installed 10 on it, I had no wireless connectivity (although it listed the wifi card as available). Plus, like I mentioned, the extreme sluggishness when I plugged in the ethernet cord.

So, figuring I would need drivers, I went and downloaded them from the HP site. The wifi card turned out that the antenna was turned off by default, I did not realize that the wifi logo (orange) was actually a touch sensor, and when I touched it it turned blue and then the wifi worked. Oops.

Once I installed the updates from microsoft (not much, I think one update, a driver for the touchpad, and a driver for the GPU) and restarted performance was fixed. So I never ended up installing the HP drivers.

I will probably use this laptop for a little while with the 10 preview/dev release/consumer preview on it, but eventually I predict I will put 7 on it to make it easier to sell on craigslist and then get rid of it. Since some DV7s came with 7 on them I need to check if the BIOS has the SLIC table for win 7 or just vista.
 
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RampantAndroid

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A preview is part of the beta process, unless you can show me when Microsoft is explicitly saying that is an out-of-the-ordinary case.

No, it's not really.

Microsoft has announced that it will be launching Windows 10 "later in the year" in 2015.

It's a chance for enterprises and developers to get a chance to look at the changes there. Trying to pass judgement on an OS that is far from done and still being actively worked on from a feature perspective is incredibly short sighted.
 

Mem

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Guys I think you are debating over moot points,fact is "preview build" IMHO is like a light beta version with things/missing,bugs etc just to show users of things to come.

Final version will be quite a few builds down the road with obviously things added/tweaked and polished.
End of the day it's far from final and to be treated as such regardless of if it's stable or not,final build will be different in some areas with features added etc...

Remember how many release candidates we had let alone early betas etc for Win8 and Win7,Win10 will be no different.
 

Skaendo

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Guys I think you are debating over moot points,fact is "preview build" IMHO is like a light beta version with things/missing,bugs etc just to show users of things to come.

Final version will be quite a few builds down the road with obviously things added/tweaked and polished.
End of the day it's far from final and to be treated as such regardless of if it's stable or not,final build will be different in some areas with features added etc...

Remember how many release candidates we had let alone early betas etc for Win8 and Win7,Win10 will be no different.
I agree with you. The end product could and prob will be way different.

Secretly, I am hoping that they do completely away with Metro & the Xbox crap. At least make a business release without them, because in a business environment do you really need the metro apps (unless on a touchscreen) or the Xbox crap?
 

denis280

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Remember how many release candidates we had let alone early betas etc for Win8 and Win7,Win10 will be no different.
This is the nice way to put it Mem.
It's a chance for enterprises and developers to get a chance to look at the changes there. Trying to pass judgement on an OS that is far from done and still being actively worked on from a feature perspective is incredibly short sighted.
See still Crap to me.so far
 

Ketchup

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Guys I think you are debating over moot points,fact is "preview build" IMHO is like a light beta version with things/missing,bugs etc just to show users of things to come.

I am sure you are correct Mem, thank you. I sometimes tire of people trying to argue facts just so to make the other person look wrong, but it's time to let it go.
 
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