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escrow4

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I can handle it as well, but there are more unnecessary hoops to jump through to personalize this OS, and that's the beef I got with windows 10. I've got my PC sorted out and running the way I want now. Some people got used to jumping through the extra hoops with windows 8, but that's precisely the reason I didn't upgrade to 8 over 7, or upgrade to vista over XP. I'm going to need Windows 10 at some point in the future, so I thought I may as well get used to it now.

Windows 10 cold boots for me in 22-24 seconds on a 4 year old mechanical HDD. The stock windows 10 took 40-42 secs to boot. I nearly doubled my boot time by personalizing my OS to run lean and mean. Trimmed off most all of the fat.

I'd recommend power users wait before they upgrade to 10 and see if more features are added that make it easier/quicker to personalize the OS the way they want, or more apps come available that allow you to do this.

Waste of time. 10 cold boots on a SSD in 10 seconds or less, not counting inputting password. And its ready to go immediately no thrashing. And I customized zero settings beyond file extensions.
 

RampantAndroid

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Waste of time. 10 cold boots on a SSD in 10 seconds or less, not counting inputting password. And its ready to go immediately no thrashing. And I customized zero settings beyond file extensions.

Yeah...I'm surprised that people who consider themselves "pro" (and in some cases may have boasted about building expensive systems not long ago) still run with SSDs. It's a lot less time to just put an SSD in than deal with trying to cut down the amount you need to load into memory. Even the worst SSDs out there these days run circles around spinning platters in all but cost per GB.
 

TeknoBug

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I had nothing on my Win7 install for years. Got tired of crappy AV causing trouble and I never needed it anyway.

Now that I'm running 10 that has defender built in (that actually does something unlike Defender in 7) I see no need to turn it off. I really don't care either way, as long as it doesn't give me any issues with anything.
Same, haven't used an AV in years, Defender is enough and my caution on downloads and avoiding unknown websites.
 

Underclocked

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I've given up on Windows 10. It is just too much of a hassle to keep up with so far as fighting the privacy intrusions. And, aside from that, I see NOTHING in that OS that holds any real appeal for me. Keeping my 8.1 install, I once again trashed the Win10 install and instead installed 7 Pro. It's amazing how fast Win7 boots and performs on that SSD! The look and feel of 7 is both more useful and totally more attractive than 10 ever could be.

So now I'll just do ongoing battle with MS to prevent them spying on me in Windows 7. Oh how frustrated and disappointed they will be when/if they win that war.
 

escrow4

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based on what exactly??

Not me, I installed it Day 1 - the 29th - and have been running it since. Beyond some odd quirks - (open folder from right clicking a file has a nasty tendency to refresh the open window) no issues.
 

Chaosblade02

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Waste of time. 10 cold boots on a SSD in 10 seconds or less, not counting inputting password. And its ready to go immediately no thrashing. And I customized zero settings beyond file extensions.

My SSD went bad, only got 2 1/2 years out of it. And I'm not gonna buy another one until I build a new PC sometime next year.

It wasn't a waste of time at all, my OS runs more efficient than it did before with the setup I got. I'm happy with the way Windows 10 is running now after I took a hatchet to the features/services I didn't need. Even if I ran on an SSD, I'd still do that. People overclock their hardware to get extra performance, and the way I see it is the changes I made were similar with regards to the OS. I use my OS almost exclusively for gaming, so apps/services, etc that aren't required for gaming are fat that needs to be trimmed.

Yeah...I'm surprised that people who consider themselves "pro" (and in some cases may have boasted about building expensive systems not long ago) still run with HDDs.

I fixed your post.

The last new PC I built was in 2011, and my new job doesn't pay even half what I was making in 2011. I'm far from the only one in that position.

It's a lot less time to just put an SSD in than deal with trying to cut down the amount you need to load into memory. Even the worst SSDs out there these days run circles around spinning platters in all but cost per GB.
People try to squeeze that extra 200mhz out of an overclock for a negligible performance increase, but its a waste of time if I try to personalize an OS to run quicker because my setup is centered around doing one thing - playing games. OK.

I5 2500k is a bottleneck in some of these newer games, and freeing up a bit of resources has gotten me better performance in games. If I was running an I7 5820k with a top of the line 500GB SSD, maybe those changes wouldn't be that necessary. There are a few spots in Witcher 3 and DAI that bottleneck my CPU so hard, the FPS will tank into the 40-45 range with 95-100% usage on 4 cores.
 
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escrow4

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My SSD went bad, only got 2 1/2 years out of it. And I'm not gonna buy another one until I build a new PC sometime next year.

It wasn't a waste of time at all, my OS runs more efficient than it did before with the setup I got. I'm happy with the way Windows 10 is running now after I took a hatchet to the features/services I didn't need. Even if I ran on an SSD, I'd still do that. People overclock their hardware to get extra performance, and the way I see it is the changes I made were similar with regards to the OS. I use my OS almost exclusively for gaming, so apps/services, etc that aren't required for gaming are fat that needs to be trimmed.



I fixed your post.

The last new PC I built was in 2011, and my new job doesn't pay even half what I was making in 2011. I'm far from the only one in that position.

People try to squeeze that extra 200mhz out of an overclock for a negligible performance increase, but its a waste of time if I try to personalize an OS to run quicker because my setup is centered around doing one thing - playing games. OK.

I5 2500k is a bottleneck in some of these newer games, and freeing up a bit of resources has gotten me better performance in games. If I was running an I7 5820k with a top of the line 500GB SSD, maybe those changes wouldn't be that necessary. There are a few spots in Witcher 3 and DAI that bottleneck my CPU so hard, the FPS will tank into the 40-45 range with 95-100% usage on 4 cores.

Better performance? If your CPU is hitting 100% usage its time for an upgrade, irrelevant services won't change anything.
 

SparkyJJO

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Granted I haven't played those particular games, but I have had no problems with my 2600k keeping up with stuff. I think he may have something else going on. Granted my 2600k is overclocked to 4.5GHz but I would assume if he has a 2500k that it has some sort of overclock on it (otherwise why bother with a K CPU?)
 

destrekor

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Better performance? If your CPU is hitting 100% usage its time for an upgrade, irrelevant services won't change anything.

Well, different features of an OS do make use of the CPU, so, cutting them off does free up some extra CPU time and memory resources to handle the game itself. Windows is rather excellent now with shifting priority to a full-screen game, but it's not 100% as some things must continue to run, even if at a reduced poll time or whatever.

There is still some to be gained by cutting out from an OS what you do not need. Same thing if you do a "clean boot" with most services and startup utilities disabled. I remember back in the day using a process killer that also amounted to the same thing, it would kill off everything nonessential so that a game could have more resources. And on my system at the time, it provided a very noticeable boost in overall framerate.

Granted I haven't played those particular games, but I have had no problems with my 2600k keeping up with stuff. I think he may have something else going on. Granted my 2600k is overclocked to 4.5GHz but I would assume if he has a 2500k that it has some sort of overclock on it (otherwise why bother with a K CPU?)

The Hyper-Threading has something to do with that. I've been satisfied with my OC'd 2600K as well, but I have seen benchmarks showing the 2500K struggling to keep up. 4 threads instead of 8 threads makes for a significant difference.
 

Chaosblade02

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Better performance? If your CPU is hitting 100% usage its time for an upgrade, irrelevant services won't change anything.

It frees some resources up and got me some FPS gains, particularly on the minimum end. I don't have the money to blow atm for an upgrade. While an I5 2500k is a bottleneck in newer games, its not a major bottleneck, meaning I'll still get 60fps most of the time with a R9 390. Its just the problematic areas that use a lot of CPU resources are where I get dips into the 40-45 range. So its not as serious as I was making it out to be. But personalizing my OS got me FPS gains in games. Period. That made it worthwhile to me. Even an I5 2500k running at 5.0ghz wouldn't be fast enough to eliminate some of the CPU bottlenecks in Witcher 3 and DAI. A CPU that spreads the load across 8 or more threads wouldn't likely have that issue. That's why everyone wants the new Skylake I7 and not the I5. Personally, I'm gonna wait on Broadwell-E, assuming they'll have a chip in the $380-$400 range similarly priced as the 5820k. If not, then hopefully skylake I7s will be plentiful by then.
 
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phillyman36

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Starting to wonder if I should go back to 8.1

My Kaspersky Internet Security every once in a while wont start when I turn on the pc. I cant seem to finish a full scan(crashes). I can do quick scans only.

From time to time if I delete something the icon is still there. I have to hit refresh for it to disappear. I have tried to delete files several times not realizing they were already deleted.

When checking my movies to see if I converted subtitles correctly it slow going to a certain time mark in the movie using Dvdfab media player. Long pauses which I didn't have in 8.1. Doesn't happen every time but often enough.

All updates have been applied.
 

RampantAndroid

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Starting to wonder if I should go back to 8.1

My Kaspersky Internet Security every once in a while wont start when I turn on the pc. I cant seem to finish a full scan(crashes). I can do quick scans only.

From time to time if I delete something the icon is still there. I have to hit refresh for it to disappear. I have tried to delete files several times not realizing they were already deleted.

When checking my movies to see if I converted subtitles correctly it slow going to a certain time mark in the movie using Dvdfab media player. Long pauses which I didn't have in 8.1. Doesn't happen every time but often enough.

All updates have been applied.

run "sfc /scannow"
 

SparkyJJO

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That icon deleting bug has existed since... well, forever lol. I've run into it on occasion since at least XP if not even earlier.

The other two things sound more like a program issue than the OS. Maybe because those programs aren't fully stable in Win10 for some reason so the OS is a trigger for the problem, but not really at fault. Just my impression anyway. A minor version of when I moved to Vista (then 7) and my PowerDVD and Nero software both broke entirely.
 

phillyman36

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I ran sfc /scannow and it found no problems. Im going to try to stick it out and see what happens and wait for more update i just have to make sure i start my av suite if it doesnt auto start on its own
 

phillyman36

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So now i just tried to update my video card driver and it crashes and reeboots. I see in the event viewer there are a bunch of application errors but i dont know enough to figure them out

Fault bucket AV_R_INVALID_klpd!Unknown_Function, type 0
Event Name: BlueScreen

Fault bucket LKD_0x141_Tdr:6_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys, type 0
Event Name: LiveKernelEvent
 

phillyman36

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This is probably a memory issue. I disabled Xmp and rebooted and managed to complete the video card driver update.
 

ControlD

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I am liking Win10 just fine for the most part.

I would be nice however to upgrade to a new version of Windows and not have it break sleep mode. I think this has happened with pretty much every upgrade from Vista until now. Not the end of the world for sure, but still annoying.
 

WilliamM2

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I thought I liked it fairly well after a lot of tweaking. Been running it since Aug 1st.

I reloaded my image of Windows 7 that I created before installing 10 last Sunday to compare. 7 just seems to run so much better, I haven't bothered to put 10 back on yet.
 

Eug

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Does Windows 10 have a setting to wake itself up for applying updates?

The reason I ask is because yesterday I put my Win 10 laptop to sleep on my desk. I was doing some paperwork just now and heard the whirring of the fan coming from the laptop. I opened up the lid and saw that Windows was applying updates. I let that finish, and then closed the lid, and it is asleep and silent again.
 

Makaveli

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Does Windows 10 have a setting to wake itself up for applying updates?

The reason I ask is because yesterday I put my Win 10 laptop to sleep on my desk. I was doing some paperwork just now and heard the whirring of the fan coming from the laptop. I opened up the lid and saw that Windows was applying updates. I let that finish, and then closed the lid, and it is asleep and silent again.

I believe it does.

I will often sleep my desktop before bed to find it at the login screen in the morning when I get up.
 

CZroe

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I often have to put my notebook to sleep and leave while I'm in the middle of something and HATE when I come back to find that it work itself up and rebooted for that crap without asking my. "I had unsaved work!"

Bad habits? Sure. Well, it's hard to save a YouTube comment or forum post with ALT+F+S. It doesn't take much more to select all, cut, launch Notepad, paste, and save, but I have too many random text files that I'm never getting back to already.
 
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