So how are you liking Win10 so far?

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Chiefcrowe

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Thank you, I will and hope everyone else here does as well. It is kind of crazy if you are running some critical stuff and then your computer could just restart if you are away for a few days in the middle of it for a reboot?!

How about in the enterprise? They have to have more options for windows update there right?!?!



Yes, they did take away that ability. Please send feedback...lots of feedback....it's incredibly stupid that I can't deselect a driver that is causing trouble...
 

RampantAndroid

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Thank you, I will and hope everyone else here does as well. It is kind of crazy if you are running some critical stuff and then your computer could just restart if you are away for a few days in the middle of it for a reboot?!

How about in the enterprise? They have to have more options for windows update there right?!?!

Only if they're using WSUS to manage clients that are updating. Small businesses/businesses not using WSUS cannot select which updates to install. It's *REALLY* broken and will prevent Win10 from being used by businesses IMO (and should make consumers pause, if this isn't fixed.)

Anyone who thinks this is OK needs to remember the Win7 update that broke installing graphics drivers and also realize that sometimes the driver on Windows Update is NOT the driver you want.
 

Ketchup

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I have been using Windows 10 in a VM a fair amount. It does fine for most things, but I still have gripes with the start menu.

For example, the apps I use most have been pinned, but if I need to find an app I don't use often, and haven't pinned, takes me about twice as long to find it in this start menu than it does in the Windows 7 menu. A lot of this is due to the default sort. In everything else, folders have default priority over shortcuts, but it this start menu, they are all mixed together. A program is always going to install in it's own folder in the start menu by default, so the result it a mess IMO.
 

sweenish

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The ignorance is strong in this thread.

A) It's a technical preview. As-is, use at your own risk
B) It's a technical preview. Of course they're going to make you take all the updates they push. You're supposed to be providing feedback, and you can't do that effectively if you don't update.
C) IT'S A TECHNICAL PREVIEW. NO ONE in enterprise is using this in an official capacity right now, and if they are, they should be fired.
D) Of freaking course enterprise users have more control over when/how/what updates are installed.

Please don't attack other posters with phrases such as "the ignorance is strong.." It serves no useful purpose. -Admin DrPizza
 
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Ketchup

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The ignorance is strong in this thread....

This is a horrible way to start a post. All you are doing is angering people with that post. If you have something to contribute, please do so. If not, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Please just use the report post button. Your post also contributed nothing positive to the discussion (and actually resulted in another negative post.) -Admin DrPizza
 
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AznAnarchy99

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They fixed the AD tools. Update broke it. Still using W10 as my main computer at work but I have my W7 as my secondary boot. Everything as worked so far for me.
 

quikah

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I have been using Windows 10 in a VM a fair amount. It does fine for most things, but I still have gripes with the start menu.

For example, the apps I use most have been pinned, but if I need to find an app I don't use often, and haven't pinned, takes me about twice as long to find it in this start menu than it does in the Windows 7 menu. A lot of this is due to the default sort. In everything else, folders have default priority over shortcuts, but it this start menu, they are all mixed together. A program is always going to install in it's own folder in the start menu by default, so the result it a mess IMO.

I think they really want you to use the search. That way they can give you results in the store for apps to install. It is actually sort of a nice feature. But giving an option for different ways to sort would be nice.

I have played a bit with this in a VM. I like it. I like the way they have done the live tiles, but an option to turn that off completely would be nice (guessing stardock or someone else will have a replacement). Having the search box on the taskbar as the default is kind of ugly IMO, but easy to change.

I have seen a lot of little annoying bugs (could be due to being in a VM though) so too early to use as a daily driver IMO. I am definitely going to upgrade my Win 7 as soon as they release it.
 

RampantAndroid

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The ignorance is strong in this thread.

A) It's a technical preview. As-is, use at your own risk
B) It's a technical preview. Of course they're going to make you take all the updates they push. You're supposed to be providing feedback, and you can't do that effectively if you don't update.
C) IT'S A TECHNICAL PREVIEW. NO ONE in enterprise is using this in an official capacity right now, and if they are, they should be fired.
D) Of freaking course enterprise users have more control over when/how/what updates are installed.

They're previewing the OS. For all we know, that is the final behavior. Feedback SHOULD be given. Notice that there is no way to select the mode of updates anymore - no more "scan but do not download" or "download but do not install" - functionality has been REMOVED...and people should be talking about that.
 

Morbus

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This is a horrible way to start a post. All you are doing is angering people with that post. If you have something to contribute, please do so. If not, keep your thoughts to yourself.
If I can speak for myself, all he did was gather my attention.

He lost at his second point, because tl;dr
 

tynopik

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They're previewing the OS. For all we know, that is the final behavior. Feedback SHOULD be given. Notice that there is no way to select the mode of updates anymore - no more "scan but do not download" or "download but do not install" - functionality has been REMOVED...and people should be talking about that.

it's been removed FROM THE PREVIEW because feedback on old versions is worse than worthless

IF that's how it is in the final (and it won't be), THEN you can complain
 

RampantAndroid

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it's been removed FROM THE PREVIEW because feedback on old versions is worse than worthless

IF that's how it is in the final (and it won't be), THEN you can complain

Right. That's why there's a feedback option....right.

Why is it worth taking a chance? Don't like something int he preview build, submit feedback. For all you know, that is the planned final experience. Worst case, you submit feedback for something not done and they ignore you. Best case, you submit feedback that helps guide MS to a better solution.
 
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sweenish

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This is a horrible way to start a post. All you are doing is angering people with that post. If you have something to contribute, please do so. If not, keep your thoughts to yourself.

It was also a true statement.

I certainly did contribute, it seems as if you didn't get past that first line.

But sure, I'll leave this thread alone for another spell and let people make completely baseless speculations that have no bearing in reality. That really engenders a healthy discussion.
 

ninaholic37

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Well, outright dismissing everyone's views about the preview is kind of silly. Surely you have complained about something in your life, or had a less than perfect opinion about something, and you probably wouldn't feel great if you were just labelled as ignorant for sharing it. If you have specific complaints about certain opinions, it would make more sense to address those complaints specifically instead of opening your post by basically saying "you're all idiots" or whatever.
 

Mem

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Well, outright dismissing everyone's views about the preview is kind of silly. Surely you have complained about something in your life, or had a less than perfect opinion about something, and you probably wouldn't feel great if you were just labelled as ignorant for sharing it. If you have specific complaints about certain opinions, it would make more sense to address those complaints specifically instead of opening your post by basically saying "you're all idiots" or whatever.

Always complaints when a new OS arrives,been that way for decades,previews builds are designed for testing and feedback so best you can really do is give Microsoft constructive feedback on the issue or issues that concern you.

Personally I like Win10 with the earlier Start Menu but can wait for the final RTM build to see how well that pans out,either way I'll be upgrading due to free upgrade to 10 and also being a PC gamer is hard to pass up on.
 

sweenish

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Well, outright dismissing everyone's views about the preview is kind of silly. Surely you have complained about something in your life, or had a less than perfect opinion about something, and you probably wouldn't feel great if you were just labelled as ignorant for sharing it. If you have specific complaints about certain opinions, it would make more sense to address those complaints specifically instead of opening your post by basically saying "you're all idiots" or whatever.

I've had complaints, obviously. That's not where I was coming from, and I'm pretty sure you know that. What you've done is a strawman fallacy. My actual points can't be argued against, so you say I intended something completely different, and attack that. The problem is obviously the fact that my stance is not what you say it is.

My stance is that the thread was starting to go a little bonkers over an expected feature in technical preview of an operating system. A baseless complaint followed by even more baseless speculation because hating on MS is popular and no other reason.

And you know what? I called some people ignorant. That's uncalled for here, so I was warned. And everyone is fixating on that instead of the valid points I brought up. As if not calling them names would have somehow helped them listen. You can see that it obviously did not by the fact that I wasn't the only person to bring up the same points (none of the others had to resort to name calling, good on them), yet those I insulted haven't changed their tune at all. It gets easy to see where my frustration comes from. That's not a justification.

My complaints aren't baseless. If I knew a thing would be a certain way going in, I would either not complain when the part I disagreed with occurred, or not participate to begin with. I'm not one to complain for the sake of it, as was the case here. And I certainly don't wildly speculate based on useless complaints. Or maybe I should go to Walmart and yell at management for not selling the brand name clothing I like.

I'm not against complaints, or real feedback. But complaining about forced updates and technical issues and/or uptime during a Technical Preview is a baseless complaint. The further speculations about the impact on enterprise just added fuel to the fire.

This version of Windows 10 exists so that MS can get useful feedback on how people want to use their OS and what features they like or dislike. I've provided feedback on the search bar and a few other things. It's not as if I think everything they've done to this point is perfect. One thing I didn't do is complain about being forced to update or make baseless speculations on the impact that would have on enterprise because I'm smart enough to know what a consumer-oriented technical preview is. If someone is running the Enterprise preview, they should say as much. If they are running it as a daily driver for their business, they should reconsider their career choice.

I enjoy how I'm getting feedback on the first sentence only, even a warning (oh snap!). No one seems to disagree with anything else I said in that post.

It's also interesting to see how fine the line is. You didn't get a mod comment. Someone else did. Why? It was just as hard for you to ignore me as it was for me to ignore those I insulted.
 

DrMrLordX

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Okay, I'll bite on your 4 points then.

A). Everyone knows it's "use at your own risk". That's why I don't use it for anything terribly important.

B). The problem here is that there's no barrier between updates mandatory for testing procedure as dictated by MS and updates pertaining to everything else. The only way we can provide any feedback on the Windows Update user experience is for us to experience it the way MS intends to launch it once Win10 goes live. If the entire update structure is set up to be nothing but "you must use this" software being force-fed to our "use-at-our-own-risk" Win10 installs, then we can not objectively provide feedback on what will eventually become the real user experience.

Of course they need to keep our preview installs updated, so there should be a separate update channel for that outside of the normal Windows Update UI.

Besides, MS has a habit of pushing dated drivers down the pipe through Windows Update. They've been doing this for years. Most users that are in the habit of downloading their own drivers and using the latest drivers for their hardware do not rely on Windows Update for this sort of thing, and therefore refuse those particular updates. Does it really help MS review their product if I am forced to download an old Catalyst driver despite already having Catalyst Omega 14.12 installed? I went ahead and did a driver rollback anyway, so whatever mad experiment they had in mind there didn't work out.

Either that, or it just happens that that was the latest WHQL driver in their database, and they hamfistedly shoved it onto my machine for no reason other than that it rode along with all the updates they really wanted me to run.

C, D). Right, nobody should be using this in enterprise, though there's going to be lots of those people wanting to use it after launch. What should they expect from MS? Can we just assume they'll set up Windows Update to work more like it did in Win7 or Win 8/8.1? Or will it be something resembling what we see now? I can't tell right now.
 

evident

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it's slow as balls on virtualbox so i've given up trying to mess around with it. dedicated 8GB of physical ram, 2 cores, and its still a slug.

i have 16GB of ram, i7-2600k and a radeon hd 7770 running on a WD 3TB black hd. running win 7 as host.

am i doing something wrong?
 

gammaray

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it's slow as balls on virtualbox so i've given up trying to mess around with it. dedicated 8GB of physical ram, 2 cores, and its still a slug.

i have 16GB of ram, i7-2600k and a radeon hd 7770 running on a WD 3TB black hd. running win 7 as host.

am i doing something wrong?

idk, but it takes 15 minutes to partition your hard drive and do a fresh install and you're ready to go.
 

MrTransistorm

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it's slow as balls on virtualbox so i've given up trying to mess around with it. dedicated 8GB of physical ram, 2 cores, and its still a slug.

i have 16GB of ram, i7-2600k and a radeon hd 7770 running on a WD 3TB black hd. running win 7 as host.

am i doing something wrong?

Did you install the Guest Additions? It's incredibly sluggish otherwise.
 

escrow4

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Looks like it crashed my creaky old Vaio. Meh. 9926 is ugly and mating with Windows Phone is ridiculous on the desktop. Not surprising this is free.
 

Mem

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Looks like it crashed my creaky old Vaio. Meh. 9926 is ugly and mating with Windows Phone is ridiculous on the desktop. Not surprising this is free.

That's why it is a preview build,you are an unpaid alpha/beta tester,preview builds are for testing and feedback.


Wait until RTM build before you can really judge Win10, too many people expect perfect OS from preview builds.
 

RampantAndroid

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I'm not against complaints, or real feedback. But complaining about forced updates

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This version of Windows 10 exists so that MS can get useful feedback on how people want to use their OS and what features they like or dislike.


How can these two sentences exist in the same post? MS is showing off a new control panel. Part of that new control panel is a new update UI that doesn't let you choose what updates to install, along with other things in the control panel (which overall is a decent improvement over the old metro panel, but still leaves something to be desired compared to the old control panel). MS has not really said whether that is final, but why should I just sit here and go "Well, clearly it isn't done I won't say anything"? It's a feature that was not missing from the previous versions of Windows. It's been there since Windows XP.

Moreover, let's look at the outcomes. I think it's Pascal's wager, more or less...just, without religion. If MS plans to not let you select and you complain, you might help change that outcome. If you don't complain, you might get stuck with bad behavior. If MS is planning to let you select and you complain about the status quo, you simply reinforce their plans. If you don't complain....congrats, I guess?

Look, it's a preview with a feedback app. Don't sit here and say "stop complaining it's a preview" when people are talking about MISSING FEATURES.
 

Chiefcrowe

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Try it on vmware player. works great here even before installing the guest tools.


it's slow as balls on virtualbox so i've given up trying to mess around with it. dedicated 8GB of physical ram, 2 cores, and its still a slug.

i have 16GB of ram, i7-2600k and a radeon hd 7770 running on a WD 3TB black hd. running win 7 as host.

am i doing something wrong?
 

escrow4

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That's why it is a preview build,you are an unpaid alpha/beta tester,preview builds are for testing and feedback.


Wait until RTM build before you can really judge Win10, too many people expect perfect OS from preview builds.

Those Windows Phone bits are not going anywhere. The way 10 stands now, meh.
 

RFC Rudel

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9926 force me to use another network card, big problem whit sound......the 9879 was much better.....
 
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