So how widespread an isuse will this be in Nov?

[nismotigerwvu]

You can't count out the fact that most of the residents here are GROSSLY uninformed. There is a significant portion of the southern part of this state that has pretty much no access to cable TV or any will to even learn how to use a computer. They are going to vote for Hilary becuase they know of her. Obama is a complete unknown to most of these people. In the end, we have like what, one delegate in the general election anyways so whats all the fuss?

 

[mshan]

I believe John McCain keeps bumping up against 45% in polls.

So the only way for him to win is for the Republicans and Hillary (so she can run in 2012) to poison enough white voters against Obama that they (McCain in 2008, Hillary in 2012) can win in November.

I believe it's all about race baiting and creating a distorted narrative that how whites in Appalachia voted in the Democratic Primary will portend how whites all across rural America will vote in November.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: senseamp
People are going to use all sorts of subjective reasons to vote for candidates, race is just one of them. The media is not really covering the issues enough for people to make an educated decision.

Exactly.

Man it sucks having to agree with you alot lately but I can handle it. :beer:

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
You can't count out the fact that most of the residents here are GROSSLY uninformed. There is a significant portion of the southern part of this state that has pretty much no access to cable TV or any will to even learn how to use a computer. They are going to vote for Hilary becuase they know of her. Obama is a complete unknown to most of these people. In the end, we have like what, one delegate in the general election anyways so whats all the fuss?

You've got three congressmen, so five electoral votes.

Is there some place that measures internet/cable penetration by state?

If so, I'd like to see comparison numbers among WV and other states like ME, ND, MT, WY, VT, and so forth...

 

[Ninjja]

i love how ppl's definition of racism has NOTHING to do with how racism arose in america. racism isn't simply defined by a dictionary. there is a difference between whites preferring white candidates and blacks preferring black candidates based on race.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Bomberman....I currently live in Monongalia County but grew up on the border of Marshall and Ohio counties. They are just as modern and suburban as the bordering counties in PA (in fact, more so for Mon. county). You can always look at primary results for those counties versus the bordering PA counties. The difference from Wheeling WV and Pittsburgh PA was that Wheeling never got past the steel industry but Pittsburgh did, otherwise it would have grown to the same scale. Sorta like bizzaro world timelines of each other.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Didn't I just say that there's no racism in WV?

Maybe you should read the thread before replying

0 racists? There were at least a few in that video, so your obviously misinformed.


The question still remains, will this be an issue come November with certain key states. (I personally don't care how much you like WV, or whether your offended of its reputation, the exit polls showed that more that 3/4 of Clinton supporters would vote McCain or not vote at all rather than vote for Obama, so why is this state so different than other working class white states we have come across? Why could this be an issue come November?)

No, I don't offended by your insult of WV. I offended that you think Hillary doesn't deserve her victory and that she doesn't deserve the nomination. SHE DOES

You know what's a similar state? North Dakota

It's just 1% African American (compared to West Virginia's 4%) and its median income is just $42,000 (compared to West Virginia's $38,000)

please don't compare us to the cesspool that is Appalachia. We (ND) have some of the highest rates of highschool and college graduation in the country and above average access to healthcare, etc. (btw we voted for obama at the same margin that you voted for hillary)

the idea that there is NOT A SINGLE PERSON in West Virgina who is racist is ridiculous.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Cesspool....really?....I guess you do deserve that username...

 

[mshan]

Keep them (the American people as a whole) hungry and fighting with each other, so they won't notice while we rape and pillage the country for another 4 years.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
You can't count out the fact that most of the residents here are GROSSLY uninformed. There is a significant portion of the southern part of this state that has pretty much no access to cable TV or any will to even learn how to use a computer. They are going to vote for Hilary becuase they know of her. Obama is a complete unknown to most of these people. In the end, we have like what, one delegate in the general election anyways so whats all the fuss?

You've got three congressmen, so five electoral votes.

Is there some place that measures internet/cable penetration by state?

If so, I'd like to see comparison numbers among WV and other states like ME, ND, MT, WY, VT, and so forth...

since you really want to make this comparison:

RANK, HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMA OR HIGHER, 25 Y/O or OLDER
ME: 27
ND: 12
MT: 3
WY: 2
VT: 6
WV: 48

GDP PER CAPITA, RANK
ME: 41
ND: 28
MT: 48
WY: 6
VT: 34
WV: 50

INFANT DEATH RATE RANKING (HIGHER = MORE DEATHS)
ME: 50
ND: 33
MT: 20
WY: 30
VT: 49
WV: 8

INTERNET USAGE PERCENTAGE

ME: 65%
ND: 59%
MT:57%
WY: 61%
VT: 70%
WV: 49%

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Cesspool....really?....I guess you do deserve that username...

it is true after all, with the exception of the death south the Appalachia region trails the rest of the country in almost every category, the entire region is a national embarrassment.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Ninjja
i love how ppl's definition of racism has NOTHING to do with how racism arose in america.

Because it has NOTHING to do with it. A definition is a definition.

racism isn't simply defined by a dictionary. there is a difference between whites preferring white candidates and blacks preferring black candidates based on race.

Yeah, there is a difference, it's black and white.

 

[mshan]

Hillary and McCain must really be loving this your state is more racist than my state pissing contest.

Direct your anger at them, rather than some West Virginians who may be racists, or who may just be ignorant, racially insensitive, xenophonbic, or just plain uninformed.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
You can't count out the fact that most of the residents here are GROSSLY uninformed. There is a significant portion of the southern part of this state that has pretty much no access to cable TV or any will to even learn how to use a computer. They are going to vote for Hilary becuase they know of her. Obama is a complete unknown to most of these people. In the end, we have like what, one delegate in the general election anyways so whats all the fuss?

You've got three congressmen, so five electoral votes.

Is there some place that measures internet/cable penetration by state?

If so, I'd like to see comparison numbers among WV and other states like ME, ND, MT, WY, VT, and so forth...

since you really want to make this comparison:

RANK, HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMA OR HIGHER, 25 Y/O or OLDER
ME: 27
ND: 12
MT: 3
WY: 2
VT: 6
WV: 48

GDP PER CAPITA, RANK
ME: 41
ND: 28
MT: 48
WY: 6
VT: 34
WV: 50

INFANT DEATH RATE RANKING (HIGHER = MORE DEATHS)
ME: 50
ND: 33
MT: 20
WY: 30
VT: 49
WV: 8

INTERNET USAGE PERCENTAGE

ME: 65%
ND: 59%
MT:57%
WY: 61%
VT: 70%
WV: 49%

So ND is well-educated and WV is poorly-educated. You proved your point. ND and WV are both extremely white and WV is not racist

Still, they both very heavily for Clinton.

Non-racist Whites in West Virginia went for Clinton.

Looks like well-educated Whites in North Dakota went for Clinton too. Look at the scoreboard!

 

[Drift3r]

None of those people in the video had an inkling of independent thought. All of them were just repeating regurgitated political campaigning crap from the white woman in the cafe who thought that Obama was a Muslim to the black women who somehow thinks Obama is going to wave a magic wand and fix everyones problems with his magical "Change and hope" powers.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: mshan
I believe John McCain keeps bumping up against 45% in polls.

So the only way for him to win is for the Republicans and Hillary (so she can run in 2012) to poison enough white voters against Obama that they (McCain in 2008, Hillary in 2012) can win in November.

I believe it's all about race baiting and creating a distorted narrative that how whites in Appalachia voted in the Democratic Primary will portend how whites all across rural America will vote in November.

Hilary has not poisoned white voters and if anything will it will be Obama's friends like Rev. Wright, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc.. and the gang which will be hiding in the background if he does win.

 

[mshan]

"So the only way for him to win is for the Republicans and Hillary (so she can run in 2012) to poison enough white voters against Obama that they (McCain in 2008, Hillary in 2012) can win in November."

And Obama has always said that real change will occur from the ground up, not from the top down.

Any real change he will be able to achieve vs. the entrenched establishment / special interests in Washington will occur because local voters put their local politician's feet to the fire and demand it. It won't be because he gives a lofty and inspiring speech, waves his magic wand, and makes it so.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Cesspool....really?....I guess you do deserve that username...

it is true after all, with the exception of the death south the Appalachia region trails the rest of the country in almost every category, the entire region is a national embarrassment.

Do you realize how ironic that statement is in a thread about racism/prejudice in general? Basically stating that I, being from and living in WV, must be this morbidly overweight hick, and couldn't possibly be cultured, or even mildly educated; let alone working on my Ph.D in Biochemistry or anything. Seriously man, for being someone who seems well informed you put your foot in your mouth quite a bit. If you want to state trends, by all means do so, but once you start making broad generalizations you throw all that credibility out the window.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Cesspool....really?....I guess you do deserve that username...

it is true after all, with the exception of the death south the Appalachia region trails the rest of the country in almost every category, the entire region is a national embarrassment.

Do you realize how ironic that statement is in a thread about racism/prejudice in general? Basically stating that I, being from and living in WV, must be this morbidly overweight hick, and couldn't possibly be cultured, or even mildly educated; let alone working on my Ph.D in Biochemistry or anything. Seriously man, for being someone who seems well informed you put your foot in your mouth quite a bit. If you want to state trends, by all means do so, but once you start making broad generalizations you throw all that credibility out the window.

what talking at the state level, you have no choice but to talk in generalizations. Of course there are many well educated and informed people in west Virginia and other states, but that doesn't outweigh the trends and general attitudes that the overall state provides. Do i wish there were more people educated like yourself? Damn straight, unfortunately that is not currently the case.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

So ND is well-educated and WV is poorly-educated. You proved your point. ND and WV are both extremely white and WV is not racist

Still, they both very heavily for Clinton.

Non-racist Whites in West Virginia went for Clinton.

Looks like well-educated Whites in North Dakota went for Clinton too. Look at the scoreboard!

wot? Text

fargo, grandforks and bismarck all went heavily obama, and those are the three most 'educated' cities in north dakota.

claiming that there is NOT A SINGLE RASCIST in west virginia is absolutely ridiculous. I for one will admit there are plenty of rascists in north dakota.

 

[miketheidiot]

In regards to the original question, i think racism will be a minor issue in november, a marginal issue at best for most voters

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Cesspool....really?....I guess you do deserve that username...

it is true after all, with the exception of the death south the Appalachia region trails the rest of the country in almost every category, the entire region is a national embarrassment.

Do you realize how ironic that statement is in a thread about racism/prejudice in general? Basically stating that I, being from and living in WV, must be this morbidly overweight hick, and couldn't possibly be cultured, or even mildly educated; let alone working on my Ph.D in Biochemistry or anything. Seriously man, for being someone who seems well informed you put your foot in your mouth quite a bit. If you want to state trends, by all means do so, but once you start making broad generalizations you throw all that credibility out the window.

what talking at the state level, you have no choice but to talk in generalizations. Of course there are many well educated and informed people in west Virginia and other states, but that doesn't outweigh the trends and general attitudes that the overall state provides. Do i wish there were more people educated like yourself? Damn straight, unfortunately that is not currently the case.

And lambasting them about a situation in which they are powerless will do much good? The sad story here is that the conversation isn't, "Damn WV needs help" but instead is "Screw those racist idiots". But, I do thank you for clearing up what you were trying to say.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
You can't count out the fact that most of the residents here are GROSSLY uninformed. There is a significant portion of the southern part of this state that has pretty much no access to cable TV or any will to even learn how to use a computer. They are going to vote for Hilary becuase they know of her. Obama is a complete unknown to most of these people. In the end, we have like what, one delegate in the general election anyways so whats all the fuss?

You've got three congressmen, so five electoral votes.

Is there some place that measures internet/cable penetration by state?

If so, I'd like to see comparison numbers among WV and other states like ME, ND, MT, WY, VT, and so forth...

since you really want to make this comparison:

RANK, HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMA OR HIGHER, 25 Y/O or OLDER
ME: 27
ND: 12
MT: 3
WY: 2
VT: 6
WV: 48

GDP PER CAPITA, RANK
ME: 41
ND: 28
MT: 48
WY: 6
VT: 34
WV: 50

INFANT DEATH RATE RANKING (HIGHER = MORE DEATHS)
ME: 50
ND: 33
MT: 20
WY: 30
VT: 49
WV: 8

INTERNET USAGE PERCENTAGE

ME: 65%
ND: 59%
MT:57%
WY: 61%
VT: 70%
WV: 49%

So ND is well-educated and WV is poorly-educated. You proved your point. ND and WV are both extremely white and WV is not racist

Still, they both very heavily for Clinton.

Non-racist Whites in West Virginia went for Clinton.

Looks like well-educated Whites in North Dakota went for Clinton too. Look at the scoreboard!

Obama won ND

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
In regards to the original question, i think racism will be a minor issue in november, a marginal issue at best for most voters

Racism may or may not play in the election, but it won't go away even if Obama becomes the president. But it will be a gigantic leap forward, for sure. Even if we lose the election, this historic election will be a huge turning point for women and minorities in American politics.

I'd prefer a woman president (vs black president) if I hd to choose purely based on identity politics because I believe a woman becoming a president is like 10 times harder than a black man becoming a president.

(But the race cards and gender cards that Obama and Clinton played are quite pitiful)

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: RichardE
We saw the clip on the Daily and laughed, funny funny.

Really? I didn't see anything really funny in that video, only some human ignorance and obvious racism although that racism was dishonestly covered up by everyone but one elderly woman who perhaps was recalling the good old days when that was the accepted social norm.

It seems that racists are honest about their racism only when they're in private or anonymous as in this board.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2188317&viewresults=y

So, seriously, it's clear that there is a lot of racism, although that's not admitted in public by the adherents, and that it will be a big factor in the election. If there is hope on the subject, it will be that after a successful presidency, there will be greater familiarity and thereby some greater acceptance. The hope is certainly not that racism isn't present, because it is, and hoping for a lie is idiotic, and it's certainly not that racism will disappear or become less effective immediately after the election, because instead, it's more likely to become pronounced and expressed by the disgruntled in other ways.

It's a long haul. Things are and have been getting better, but they're not getting better by denial and lies. Some of these thoughts and feelings need to come out and be examined and seen for what they are, and the conditions and circumstances changed, before they can be eliminated like the pus in the nation it is.